The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:43 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Anime Goku(Z Boo Arc) vs Vegetto. Apparently Kid boo is the strongest Majin in the anime. Even above Boohan
Vegetto stomps. All the anime statements/feats are bullshit in the anime.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:44 pm

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TheGmGoken wrote:Anime Goku(Z Boo Arc) vs Vegetto. Apparently Kid boo is the strongest Majin in the anime. Even above Boohan
Vegetto. I don't think toei is that stupid.
Well, Toei rule #43 section c. states that Goku can't lose, so Vegetto beats him around for a little while, then a second Goku emerges from Vegetto's head, which proceeds to fuse with the other Goku. The new Goku fusion blows up what's left of Vegetto.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:45 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Anime Goku(Z Boo Arc) vs Vegetto. Apparently Kid boo is the strongest Majin in the anime. Even above Boohan
Vegetto stomps. All the anime statements/feats are bullshit in the anime.
But Goku > Vegetto > Kid Boo >Vegetto > Boohan> Buutenks> Goku! > Super Boo > Goku(It's sad that's how bad power statements are in the anime)

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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:52 pm

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TheGmGoken wrote:Anime Goku(Z Boo Arc) vs Vegetto. Apparently Kid boo is the strongest Majin in the anime. Even above Boohan
Vegetto. I don't think toei is that stupid.
Well, Toei rule #43 section c. states that Goku can't lose, so Vegetto beats him around for a little while, then a second Goku emerges from Vegetto's head, which proceeds to fuse with the other Goku. The new Goku fusion blows up what's left of Vegetto.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:55 pm

Apparently the GT Perfect Files states that GT Gohan didnt neglect his training. So by that logic, GT Gohan is just as strong if not stronger than he was in DBZ. So is it too much to assume that GT Gohan could defeat Buutenks?
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:57 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Apparently the GT Perfect Files states that GT Gohan didnt neglect his training. So by that logic, GT Gohan is just as strong if not stronger than he was in DBZ. So is it too much to assume that GT Gohan could defeat Buutenks?
Toei rule 43 section b. states that post Cell-Games Gohan is not allowed to win a fight without Goku holding his hand. So while he may have the power to do so, Gohan would never beat Buutenks.
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KentalSSJ6 wrote:Apparently the GT Perfect Files states that GT Gohan didnt neglect his training. So by that logic, GT Gohan is just as strong if not stronger than he was in DBZ. So is it too much to assume that GT Gohan could defeat Buutenks?
GT logic. If Gohan is stronger than he was in Z. Then Gohan(Mystic) should be stronger than Goku GT

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:14 pm

Well he didnt neglect his training. I'm sure he didnt outright abandon it like he did after Cell but he didnt train a lot. Just here and there maybe so hed become weaker, but not as much as people like to believe. Basically I'm saying GT Gohan could still defeat Buu, but would lose to Goku or Vegeta.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:16 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Well he didnt neglect his training. I'm sure he didnt outright abandon it like he did after Cell but he didnt train a lot. Just here and there maybe so hed become weaker, but not as much as people like to believe. Basically I'm saying GT Gohan could still defeat Buu, but would lose to Goku or Vegeta.
But Gohan isn't Goku so he is only useful for donating ki and can't do anything for himself.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:23 pm

Toei Gohan(Who can't defeat anyone without Goku) vs Manga Raditz

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:24 pm

Ok all joking aside. Gohan could defeat Raditz by the time he reached Namek onward.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:25 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Toei Gohan(Who can't defeat anyone without Goku) vs Manga Raditz
Gohan beats the crap out of Raditz, but is incapable of delivering the final blow without Goku's support. He misses his punch, and the momentum carries him into the sun. Raditz just stands there, with a confused look on his face.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:27 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Toei Gohan(Who can't defeat anyone without Goku) vs Manga Raditz
Gohan beats the crap out of Raditz, but is incapable of delivering the final blow without Goku's support. He misses his punch, and the momentum carries him into the sun. Raditz just stands there, with a confused look on his face.
This. Because toei knows Gohan can't do anything.
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Post by Kid Buu » Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:36 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Toei Gohan(Who can't defeat anyone without Goku))
It's like that in the manga too....
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Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:30 am

Piccolo Vs Vegeta in a conversation on who's the better father.

Real: ASSJ Vegeta(PRe 2nd ROSAT) vs Kamicoollo(Post ROAST)

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Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:31 am

TheGmGoken wrote:Piccolo Vs Vegeta in a conversation on who's the better father.

Real: ASSJ Vegeta(PRe 2nd ROSAT) vs Kamicoollo(Post ROAST)
Piccolo. He would teach people not to make the villains stronger to kick your ass.

I give the match to Vegeta though.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:34 am

TheGmGoken wrote:Piccolo Vs Vegeta in a conversation on who's the better father.

Real: ASSJ Vegeta(PRe 2nd ROSAT) vs Kamicoollo(Post ROAST)
Piccolo and Vegeta both decide to dump the kids and go fishing.

Piccolo. The two of them should be in the same general tier of power, but Grade 2 burns through energy, while Piccolo doesn't have this disadvantage. Plus, Piccolo is smarter than Vegeta, and knows what buttons to push to make Vegeta go berserk and mess up.
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TheGmGoken wrote:Piccolo Vs Vegeta in a conversation on who's the better father.

Real: ASSJ Vegeta(PRe 2nd ROSAT) vs Kamicoollo(Post ROAST)
ASS Vegeta (huh, that's appopriate) would probably lose. I see these two as equals in power after the ROSAT trip, with maybe a tiny (5%) power advantage in Vegeta's favor. However, the Grade II form is apparently quite taxing with the energy drain, so that should give Piccolo the edge he needs to overcome Vegeta. Remember how quickly Vegeta tired out against 18? That was just with normal Super Saiyan. It would probably take considerably less time for him to tire out against Piccolo.
Anime Goku(Z Boo Arc) vs Vegetto. Apparently Kid boo is the strongest Majin in the anime. Even above Boohan
Goku beats Super Vegetto at least. He was equal to Kid Buu, who was stated to be on a whole different level from Buuhan. Logically that would include Berserker Buuhan, who actually gave Super Vegetto trouble.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:55 am

I know I've posted this one before, but I'd like to get some more opinions on it.
Piccolo vs Vegeta-Trunks Arc

Here's all the relevant power statments.
4. Piccolo [#CE1#PIC]
Chapter: 333 (DBZ 139), P8.1
Gohan: “So, do you still spend every day in intense training?”
Piccolo: “More or less…”

Chapter: 334 (DBZ 140), P1.4
Goku: “Well at any rate, who was it who defeated Freeza? That was an incredible ki. Was it Piccolo? Or Vegeta?”
Note: obviously it wasn't either, but it might be notable that Goku at least felt it conceivable that Piccolo did it.

Chapter: 336 (DBZ 142), P6.1-2
Context: after Piccolo says that only those with confidence in their abilities should come battle the androids
Vegeta: “Don’t make me laugh. Aren’t you’re the one with the least confidence?"
Piccolo: “What was that? You want to try me?”
9. Vegeta [#CE1#VEG]
Chapter: 333 (DBZ 139), P8.2
Context: after hearing how Piccolo trains
Bulma: “Vegeta’s like that too. He’s never around at noon. He’s definitely off training somewhere.”

Chapter: 334 (DBZ 140), P1.4
Goku: “Well at any rate, who was it who defeated Freeza? That was an incredible ki. Was it Piccolo? Or Vegeta?”
Note: obviously it wasn't either, but it might be notable that Goku at least felt it conceivable that Vegeta did it.

Chapter: 336 (DBZ 142), P11.3-5
Brief: “Huh!? You…you say you want me to make you a 300-times gravity room!?”
Vegeta: “That’s right. It seems that Kakarot trained in 100-times gravity…I’m at least 3 times as much as him…”
Brief: “Th…that’s crazy…Ve…Vegeta, if you weigh 60 kilos…then you’ll become eigh…18 tons….”
I'm siding with Piccolo for this one. I feel that his fusion with Nail is part of what enabled his massive training gains in the Android Arc, so him at least catching up to Vegeta isn't out of the question. Moreover, Vegeta hasn't started his gravity training yet, so I doubt he's improved all that much. I'd say they are both in the 3 million range, as Goku seems to think that it's possible that they may have defeated Freeza, and that's the weakest Freeza ever was in his true form.
This may not mean anything, but Goku also says Piccolo's name first when asking if it was him or Vegeta who beat Freeza.

And finally, there is Piccolo's confidence in challenging Vegeta. I don't see Piccolo provoking an unnecessary fight that he has no chance of winning.
Granted, I can see this one going either way, but I'm siding with Piccolo.

I really wish this fight happened in the manga...
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Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:57 am

Kamiccolo9 wrote:I know I've posted this one before, but I'd like to get some more opinions on it.
Piccolo vs Vegeta-Trunks Arc

Here's all the relevant power statments.
4. Piccolo [#CE1#PIC]
Chapter: 333 (DBZ 139), P8.1
Gohan: “So, do you still spend every day in intense training?”
Piccolo: “More or less…”

Chapter: 334 (DBZ 140), P1.4
Goku: “Well at any rate, who was it who defeated Freeza? That was an incredible ki. Was it Piccolo? Or Vegeta?”
Note: obviously it wasn't either, but it might be notable that Goku at least felt it conceivable that Piccolo did it.

Chapter: 336 (DBZ 142), P6.1-2
Context: after Piccolo says that only those with confidence in their abilities should come battle the androids
Vegeta: “Don’t make me laugh. Aren’t you’re the one with the least confidence?"
Piccolo: “What was that? You want to try me?”
9. Vegeta [#CE1#VEG]
Chapter: 333 (DBZ 139), P8.2
Context: after hearing how Piccolo trains
Bulma: “Vegeta’s like that too. He’s never around at noon. He’s definitely off training somewhere.”

Chapter: 334 (DBZ 140), P1.4
Goku: “Well at any rate, who was it who defeated Freeza? That was an incredible ki. Was it Piccolo? Or Vegeta?”
Note: obviously it wasn't either, but it might be notable that Goku at least felt it conceivable that Vegeta did it.

Chapter: 336 (DBZ 142), P11.3-5
Brief: “Huh!? You…you say you want me to make you a 300-times gravity room!?”
Vegeta: “That’s right. It seems that Kakarot trained in 100-times gravity…I’m at least 3 times as much as him…”
Brief: “Th…that’s crazy…Ve…Vegeta, if you weigh 60 kilos…then you’ll become eigh…18 tons….”
I'm siding with Piccolo for this one. I feel that his fusion with Nail is part of what enabled his massive training gains in the Android Arc, so him at least catching up to Vegeta isn't out of the question. Moreover, Vegeta hasn't started his gravity training yet, so I doubt he's improved all that much. I'd say they are both in the 3 million range, as Goku seems to think that it's possible that they may have defeated Freeza, and that's the weakest Freeza ever was in his true form.
This may not mean anything, but Goku also says Piccolo's name first when asking if it was him or Vegeta who beat Freeza.

And finally, there is Piccolo's confidence in challenging Vegeta. I don't see Piccolo provoking an unnecessary fight that he has no chance of winning.
Granted, I can see this one going either way, but I'm siding with Piccolo.

I really wish this fight happened in the manga...
I can see it going either way honestly.
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