What phrases/opinions/things bring out your irate fanboy?

[fadeddreams5]

Many fans seem to fawn over this idea of the next generation, but how great is it if the execution is bad?

Bad, but it goes both ways. If they focus on Goku and disregard any new generation, but the execution is bad, it's bad. GT is a culprit of this to several fans.

Not from what we see. Goku does no lasting damage. It turns out he was wrong on that account.

Goku's confidence isn't a guarentee against an enemy he hasn't faced before.

This was mostly cause of Kid Buu's stamina and regeneration, as well as Goku's lack thereof cause of his living body while using SSJ3.

Buu looked worried, Goku can sense his ki, and Goku specifies that Gohan can beat him on his own then. He never implies he can.

From an emotional perspective, I don't want Gohan as the lead. It doesn't sit well with me when the main character role is taken over by someone else in a long running series. I've never seen it work for the better.

I see where you're coming from. But I wouldn't want Goku to outright take the bench in favor of Gohan. I would have wanted them to be co-main characters, sort of how Vegeta and Goku are in the newer stuff, and for Gohan to have been developed better to properly fit the role.

[ABED]

Bad, but it goes both ways. If they focus on Goku and disregard any new generation, but the execution is bad, it's bad.

Not inherently. GT isn't evidence of anything, it was mostly bad execution. DB was focused on Goku and that's easily the best portion of the story. Plus, it's Goku's story. Why do people love the idea of "the next generation" so much?

This was mostly cause of Kid Buu's stamina and regeneration, as well as Goku's lack thereof cause of his living body while using SSJ3.

Which doesn't disprove my point? Kid Buu's abilities allow him to defeat Goku, it doesn't matter what they are.

I see where you're coming from. But I wouldn't want Goku to outright take the bench in favor of Gohan. I would have wanted them to be co-main characters, sort of how Vegeta and Goku are in the newer stuff, and for Gohan to have been developed better to properly fit the role.

I get that, but I think there's better dynamics to play with Goku and his former enemy than Goku and his son.

[MCDaveG]

Bad, but it goes both ways. If they focus on Goku and disregard any new generation, but the execution is bad, it's bad.

Not inherently. GT isn't evidence of anything, it was mostly bad execution. DB was focused on Goku and that's easily the best portion of the story. Plus, it's Goku's story. Why do people love the idea of "the next generation" so much?

I think it's mostly that people like the stories finished with beginning and the end and introducing new generation is fresh approach and you can explore the world once more with new characters, instead of beating dead cow.
In case of Dragon Ball, the characters are getting rudiculously strong, therefore in the Shonen genre, Goku had to become a god, fighting a god and writers have to push this tier.
I wonder, how will the Universe 6 go. If the writers ended the story of Goku and co. then there will be new characters who are weaker, with weaker openings.
I am curious if we will get Goku someday fight the universe and time itself

[ABED]

The story was nearing its end, and Goku is hardly a dead cow, there's still a lot to explore, even with a seemingly fully developed character. And Goku's generation is the new generation. We're following his story. It would just as easily tell the story that the older generation wants the next generation to step up, but realizes it isn't time yet.

[irrelevant_pelican]

"Bardock was the original Super Saiyan that inspired the Legend" makes me incredibly angry.

[Rockman X]

I'm glad you asked! there are lot of "DBZ fans" that truly boil my p!ss.

#1 the DB:Kai fanboys:I'm talking about the ones who pretend like their opinion is a fact and rub it on everyone who disagrees like for ex:

Z fan:Hey i think the old dub had better music/line in this scene.
Kai fanboy:Nostaligatard! Z dub is sh!t! you better face the facts Kai is better and Z dub is sh!t..oh and did i mention that Z dub is sh!t?

#2 The "Broly fanboys" the ones who overrate the hell out of this AWFUL AWFUL character.

[dbzfan7]

I'm glad you asked! there are lot of "DBZ fans" that truly boil my p!ss.

#1 the DB:Kai fanboys:I'm talking about the ones who pretend like their opinion is a fact and rub it on everyone who disagrees like for ex:

Z fan:Hey i think the old dub had better music/line in this scene.
Kai fanboy:Nostaligatard! Z dub is sh!t! you better face the facts Kai is better and Z dub is sh!t..oh and did i mention that Z dub is sh!t?

#2 The "Broly fanboys" the ones who overrate the hell out of this AWFUL AWFUL character.

Yeah you see the conundrum here? Hate all ya want, but you're labelling Broly like it's a fact he's awful. By all means that can be supported by opinion, but it's not fact either.

[MCDaveG]

And Goku's generation is the new generation. We're following his story. It would just as easily tell the story that the older generation wants the next generation to step up, but realizes it isn't time yet.

You clearly misread me. I was paraphrasing series like Digimon. You have one full series with Digimon, which starts and ends, then you have Digimon 02 with a new cast, new stuff and such.
Dragon Ball doesn't have that, it just gradually progresses. How is Goku the new generation? He's the same Goku since Dragon Ball.

[FortuneSSJ]

You clearly misread me. I was paraphrasing series like Digimon. You have one full series with Digimon, which starts and ends, then you have Digimon 02 with a new cast, new stuff and such.
Dragon Ball doesn't have that, it just gradually progresses. How is Goku the new generation? He's the same Goku since Dragon Ball.

I definitely don't want this to turn out like Digimon. I rather follow the entire characters lives.
Dragon Ball is the only series that I watched where I can follow the main character life, since he was a kid until he becomes a grandpa. I love that.

That Digimon treatment doesn't work for this series.
I want this to move after EOZ with Toriyama. Goten, Trunks, Pan, Uub would come forth, but that doesn't mean Goku would disappear forever.

The only way I could see bringing a entire new cast work, would be in spin-off series like Dragon Ball Heroes and such.

[Rockman X]

Yeah you see the conundrum here? Hate all ya want, but you're labelling Broly like it's a fact he's awful. By all means that can be supported by opinion, but it's not fact either.

Well it can be supported by facts actually.. the guy has no proper backstory or character development and his motivations to fight Goku is stupid to say the least.

THE ONLY reason why people love him so much is cus of his character design that's fine but his character is just trash.

[Absolute Ice]

"Bardock was the original Super Saiyan that inspired the Legend" makes me incredibly angry.

There is nothing wrong with it, you get angry for no reason. But oh well.

[voltlunok]

THE ONLY reason why people love him so much is cus of his character design that's fine but his character is just trash.

Um...no. First I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't blanket statement speak for everyone like you have done some research poll. Secondly, I like Broly for more then his design, he was genuinely terrifying in Movie 8 and the inspirations behind him really do make him Nega-Goku. I like Broly for his Jakel and Hyde mentality too, how something so timid (Albeit forced to be timid.) Could be come such a monster! So...no, it's not just the design, try again.

[Zephyr]

"Bardock was the original Super Saiyan that inspired the Legend" makes me incredibly angry.

There is nothing wrong with it, you get angry for no reason. But oh well.

I know you have an incredible amount of admiration for the character, but let's not pretend that people are just imagining that Goku's father being The Legendary Super Saiyan devalues the living hell out of Goku having achieved the transformation. Performing something that's really just a trait of your lineage isn't nearly as impressive or special as performing something that isn't a trait of your lineage.

[dbzfan7]

Yeah you see the conundrum here? Hate all ya want, but you're labelling Broly like it's a fact he's awful. By all means that can be supported by opinion, but it's not fact either.

Well it can be supported by facts actually.. the guy has no proper backstory or character development and his motivations to fight Goku is stupid to say the least.

THE ONLY reason why people love him so much is cus of his character design that's fine but his character is just trash.

Same can be said about your Z/Kai case too. Objectively you can tear Z a new asshole. The point is you complained about Kai opinions being stated as fact, then proceed to do that with your Broly opinion.

[Absolute Ice]

I know you have an incredible amount of admiration for the character, but let's not pretend that people are just imagining that Goku's father being The Legendary Super Saiyan devalues the living hell out of Goku having achieved the transformation. Performing something that's really just a trait of your lineage isn't nearly as impressive or special as performing something that isn't a trait of your lineage.

What I have for the character has really nothing to do here, and he is not "the", he is one of the two Legendaries, in this case, for Freeza race's knowledge. And that is not a reason enough to get angry, maybe that devalues the fact Goku achieved for some people, but for others that does not devalue at all. The connection here is kinda "WTF?", since we see in many cases fathers being awesome and that passes that onto their sons, Minato being a Hokage does not devalues Naruto, not even if Boruto becomes one will not devalue his father nor his son. I could use Luffy as an example as well, since Dragon is not just someone out there, but we need to see more of him.

[Rockman X]

Same can be said about your Z/Kai case too. Objectively you can tear Z a new asshole. The point is you complained about Kai opinions being stated as fact, then proceed to do that with your Broly opinion.

Mmm not really.. there are pros&cons to Z dub but i DO agree that Kai is superior BUT that doesn't make Z dub TRASH.. it has its redeeming qualities which get overlooked.

But in the case of Broly? the guy hates goku cus he cried at him as a baby WTF? and 90% of his dialogue is screaming.. i contend HOW is this character NOT awful? because he has a cool design? no.. just no.. Super 17 has a cool design as well but that doesn't mean he isn't an awfully written character with stupid motivations.

[Doctor.]

Minato being a Hokage does not devalues Naruto

To me it does. The main character's father being a super important person in the universe is an awful trope in Shonen that really shouldn't be as popular as it is.

[dbzfan7]

Same can be said about your Z/Kai case too. Objectively you can tear Z a new asshole. The point is you complained about Kai opinions being stated as fact, then proceed to do that with your Broly opinion.

Mmm not really.. there are pros&cons to Z dub but i DO agree that Kai is superior BUT that doesn't make Z dub TRASH.. it has its redeeming qualities which get overlooked.

But in the case of Broly? the guy hates goku cus he cried at him as a baby WTF? and 90% of his dialogue is screaming.. i contend HOW is this character NOT awful? because he has a cool design? no.. just no.. Super 17 has a cool design as well but that doesn't mean he isn't an awfully written character with stupid motivations.

Being kept up especially as an infant can lead to insomnia. Insomnia can lead to madness. Not only that but he was stabbed, and nearly killed too. He also was left as a drone via his fathers control device. Who knows what that does to someone's head. How much individual thought does Broly even get? He's very imposing. His fighting style is like a wrestlers which changes up the usual style of fighting I always see. Speaking of the dub I couldn't help but laugh at his absolute trolling he was doing to everyone. And yes he does have a cool design. I'm definitely one to admit it's really movie's 10/11 that are awful with Broly. 8 I think is pretty decent. I think his ki attack effects are also pretty cool.

Again this is really hypocritical. You can find a lot to hate or like about Broly, it's all about preference. What some people may hate, others may like. It's ludicrous to try and state people can't objectively call Z bad with plenty of cases, but can totally rag on Broly if they want. Seems to me you like the Z dub, so it deserves to not be so hated. While you don't like Broly, so he can be objectively hated. It's not a fair standard. You can't complain about people saying the z dub is factually shit and that they should treat that as an opinion, and then go on to factually treat Broly as shit with everyone else being wrong. If you like the z dub and hate Broly, fine. Opinion wise both can be shit or good depending on preference. You can factually point out what makes both shit too.

[voltlunok]

Minato being a Hokage does not devalues Naruto

To me it does. The main character's father being a super important person in the universe is an awful trope in Shonen that really shouldn't be as popular as it is.

I do have to agree with this. They can make the character an underdog as much as they want but once you know his dad was this super amazing thing then you kinda just lose that sense of he's an underdog, which in my opinion was one of Naruto's best traits till I figured out who his daddy was.

I will give Bleach some credit...they didn't really make Iishin seem like he's suuuuper important...just strong. Which makes sense for how Ichigo had all that power and potential, his dad was a captain, not a legendary captain...just a captain.

Overall though I agree. I wish they'd stop making the main hero's dad something of a legend when they can carry themselves just fine without their dad being some god tier fighter.

[Rockman X]

Insomnia can lead to madness. Not only that but he was stabbed, and nearly killed too.

So what does Goku have to do with any of this? how the hell is he able to remember Goku's saiyan name? how the hell is able to identify him as an adult in the first place? how did he as a baby survive a planet explosion? how does he remember anything from his infancy? how can 90% of his dialogue be screaming and i still can't call him an awful character?

He also was left as a drone via his fathers control device.

Yeah he's almost as mindless as Kid buu but the difference is that Kid buu doesn't waste any time and was literally created to be a mindless killing machine by bibidi so we know why he's like that.. broly is just like that cus bad writing.

You can find a lot to hate or like about Broly

The only thing people like about him is his design+his reckless HULK SMASH attitude which of course is done by kid buu much better but his CHARACTER is still awfully written nonetheless and since you have no ground to stand on i'm not going to agree that its "Subjective" if that's true then DB:Evolution is also a GREAT movie and if you think its a bad movie its just your subjective opinion!

While you don't like Broly, so he can be objectively hated. It's not a fair standard.

I just told you.. he's an awful character..case closed.. dubbing is a whole new ball game which covers the entirety of the DBZ broly is just an awfully written movie villain you're free to prove me otherwise but as it stands i won't excuse bad writing!