Unpopular DB opinions

[8000 Saiyan]

Unfortunately Mako passed away.

The actor from Conan the Barbarian?

Yep, never seen all of Conan despite being a big fan of Arnie.

That film has such a great soundtrack.

[Kanassa]

The actor from Conan the Barbarian?

Yep, never seen all of Conan despite being a big fan of Arnie.

That film has such a great soundtrack.

And some pretty kick ass moments:
To God "And if you cannot grant me that; THEN TO HELL WITH YOU!"

[8000 Saiyan]

Yep, never seen all of Conan despite being a big fan of Arnie.

That film has such a great soundtrack.

And some pretty kick ass moments:
To God "And if you cannot grant me that; THEN TO HELL WITH YOU!"

And of course, James Earl Jones.

[DragonBallKing]

I've heard this said before but it might be unpopular: I love all of Nozowa's roles except Bardock and I think that Chiba should have voiced him, so that way he looks like Goku but sounds like Raditz since his personality is closer to Raditz.

[8000 Saiyan]

I've heard this said before but it might be unpopular: I love all of Nozowa's roles except Bardock and I think that Chiba should have voiced him, so that way he looks like Goku but sounds like Raditz since his personality is closer to Raditz.

I honestly don't mind Nozawa as Bardock since she does great in the part, but if I had to choose a male actor it would have been Akira Kamiya.

[Ripper 30]

I've heard this said before but it might be unpopular: I love all of Nozowa's roles except Bardock and I think that Chiba should have voiced him, so that way he looks like Goku but sounds like Raditz since his personality is closer to Raditz.

I honestly don't mind Nozawa as Bardock since she does great in the part, but if I had to choose a male actor it would have been Akira Kamiya.

Masako Nozawa wasn't the ideal choice but again I don't really mind her Bardock.

[Gog]

I don't mind the idea of Goku getting ringed out during his match with Jiren after achieving his new form. It would be a refreshing change of pace for Dragon Ball seeing Goku fail completely.

[Kanassa]

I don't mind the idea of Goku getting ringed out during his match with Jiren after achieving his new form. It would be a refreshing change of pace for Dragon Ball seeing Goku fail completely.

I doubt Goku will get ringed out, but I do think he'll be knocked out until a plot critical moment, leaving Jiren exhausted and damaged enough after their fight to allow others like Hit and Vegeta to fight him.

Though, I'd argue things like Battle of Gods and The Future Trunks Saga are examples of Goku losing completely, as they are points where no matter what Goku and Co do they can't win.

[ABED]

Gog, Goku fails often. In fact he fails more often than you think. He lost in two out of the three tournaments he fought in.

[Kinokima]

Vegeta at the end of Buu saying Goku was the best does not mean he would stop trying to surpass him. Yes at the end of Z with no more story to tell it could have meant this. However Super showing that Vegeta is still working to surpass Goku does not actually contradict the end of Buu saga.

Now if Vegeta was like I should be better than Goku because he's just a low level and I am the Saiyan prince then I agree this would mean character development is thrown out the window. But Vegeta just trying to surpass who he thinks is the best is what he thinks a warrior should do. It doesn't mean he hates Goku because he acknowledges Goku is better. In fact Vegeta definitely respects Goku as a warrior.

If Toei exaggerates Vegeta at all it's probably that they turned him into a Tsundere. A lot of what he says isn't truly what he means.

Putting this here because it's a constant complaint against Super and I feel it is a very unfounded one.

[HeroR]

Gog, Goku fails often. In fact he fails more often than you think. He lost in two out of the three tournaments he fought in.

True, which is why I am confused when fans say, "Goku wins too much, let someone else have a chance".

Like, do they honestly only remember the original Toei movies (which Goku didn't save the day in 1, 9, 10, and 11) and the Freeza Saga?

[ABED]

And regardless, he's the hero of the story. Do fans complain that Buffy saves the day in almost every episode or Batman saves the day in his own comic?

[Ripper 30]

Vegeta at the end of Buu saying Goku was the best does not mean he would stop trying to surpass him. Yes at the end of Z with no more story to tell it could have meant this. However Super showing that Vegeta is still working to surpass Goku does not actually contradict the end of Buu saga.

Now if Vegeta was like I should be better than Goku because he's just a low level and I am the Saiyan prince then I agree this would mean character development is thrown out the window. But Vegeta just trying to surpass who he thinks is the best is what he thinks a warrior should do. It doesn't mean he hates Goku because he acknowledges Goku is better. In fact Vegeta definitely respects Goku as a warrior.

If Toei exaggerates Vegeta at all it's probably that they turned him into a Tsundere. A lot of what he says isn't truly what he means.

Putting this here because it's a constant complaint against Super and I feel it is a very unfounded one.

Yes Tsundere is exactly what Toei has turned him into and reminds me more of the Cell Arc Vegeta than Boo Arc vegeta with him constantly whining.

[Kinokima]

Vegeta at the end of Buu saying Goku was the best does not mean he would stop trying to surpass him. Yes at the end of Z with no more story to tell it could have meant this. However Super showing that Vegeta is still working to surpass Goku does not actually contradict the end of Buu saga.

Now if Vegeta was like I should be better than Goku because he's just a low level and I am the Saiyan prince then I agree this would mean character development is thrown out the window. But Vegeta just trying to surpass who he thinks is the best is what he thinks a warrior should do. It doesn't mean he hates Goku because he acknowledges Goku is better. In fact Vegeta definitely respects Goku as a warrior.

If Toei exaggerates Vegeta at all it's probably that they turned him into a Tsundere. A lot of what he says isn't truly what he means.

Putting this here because it's a constant complaint against Super and I feel it is a very unfounded one.

Yes Tsundere is exactly what Toei has turned him into and reminds me more of the Cell Arc Vegeta than Boo Arc vegeta with him constantly whining.

Your post in that other thread is exactly what I was referring to

No I don't think Vegeta being a Tsundere means he is like Cell Vegeta. I am actually rewatching the Cell arc now and Vegeta in Super is nothing like how he was in the Cell arc. In the Cell arc he's a complete jerk who only cares about defeating Goku and proving he's the best. He doesn't care who he puts in danger. He does start to show signs that he cares about others by the end of this arc but it's really only the start of Vegeta changing.


Please show me where in Super that Vegeta puts anyone in danger or shows he doesn't care about his loved ones? Sure he may say I am going to defeat an enemy on my own but so does Goku. That's the Saiyan warrior taking not the arrogant I could care less about anyone Vegeta of the Cell arc.

Also please show me where in Super Vegeta has whined that Goku is better then him? He's not done this once.

As for what I mean about Tsundere is Vegeta doesn't often let his true feelings for others out in the open. Vegeta wasn't necessarily a Tsundere in DBZ. Until the end of the Buu saga he was a jerk inside and out. Here Vegeta pretends he doesn't care when he really does. That's what I mean by a Tsundere. He acts this way with his family, Goku, heck even Master Roshi in the last episode. It's a bit exaggerated but it's also not entirely inconsistent with who Vegeta is at the end of the Buu. The thing is we saw very little of who Vegeta would be after Buu so I don't necessarily think Super's interpretation is out of character for a Vegeta that has truly become one of the good guys.

[Kanassa]

As for what I mean about Tsundere is Vegeta doesn't often let his true feelings for others out in the open. Vegeta wasn't necessarily a Tsundere in DBZ.

Really, Vegeta wasn't a tsundere at all; he was an open book on his goals and emotions. He much more reserved and quiet in super.

[Kinokima]

As for what I mean about Tsundere is Vegeta doesn't often let his true feelings for others out in the open. Vegeta wasn't necessarily a Tsundere in DBZ.

Really, Vegeta wasn't a tsundere at all; he was an open book on his goals and emotions. He much more reserved and quiet in super.

I wasn't trying to say he was a Tsundere in Z in fact I thought I said quite the opposite that he wasn't one in Z but in Super has developed into one. If you are taking about my necessarily well being overly wordy is I admit I fault of mine.

A good Vegeta developing into a Tsundere doesn't seem out of character to me. And I think a lot of in the ways Vegeta is written as a Tsundere even in Super is meant to be humorous. With humor Super tends to exaggerate character traits the most.

[Super_Divine_Genki]

Vegeta at the end of Buu saying Goku was the best does not mean he would stop trying to surpass him. Yes at the end of Z with no more story to tell it could have meant this. However Super showing that Vegeta is still working to surpass Goku does not actually contradict the end of Buu saga.

Agreed. Not to mention that it was an inner-monologue.

I guess an unpopular opinion that I have is that I'm not a huge fan of Z Movie #12. I've seen it mentioned, or listed, as many members clear favorite. It's just ok to me, and probably toward the lower tier if I were to attempt to rank the DB/Z features. Very cool enemy though.

[8000 Saiyan]

I've heard this said before but it might be unpopular: I love all of Nozowa's roles except Bardock and I think that Chiba should have voiced him, so that way he looks like Goku but sounds like Raditz since his personality is closer to Raditz.

I honestly don't mind Nozawa as Bardock since she does great in the part, but if I had to choose a male actor it would have been Akira Kamiya.

Masako Nozawa wasn't the ideal choice but again I don't really mind her Bardock.

Sure, but what matters is that she did well in the role.

[Doctor.]

Gog, Goku fails often. In fact he fails more often than you think. He lost in two out of the three tournaments he fought in.

To add to this, he has failed more in Super than he has in the rest of the series. He hasn't scored one big win yet.

[HeroR]

And regardless, he's the hero of the story. Do fans complain that Buffy saves the day in almost every episode or Batman saves the day in his own comic?

Dragon Ball is one of he few franchises that I have seen when a part of the fanbase resents the main character for existing. How the secondary characters were treated in Z didn't help.