The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:27 am

Well IDK :lol:

Anyways

SSJ Goten/SSJ Trunks (Post Rosat) vs FPSSJ Goku (Cell games)

I mean one on one

SSJ Goten/SSJ Trunks (Post Rosat) vs Cell Junior

I mean one on one
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:31 am

SSJ Goten/SSJ Trunks (Post Rosat) vs FPSSJ Goku (Cell games)
Goku wins with his superior skill.
SSJ Goten/SSJ Trunks (Post Rosat) vs Cell Junior
Depends if where you have Cell Jrs' power at. I can see it go either way to be honest

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:32 am

dbzfan7 wrote:Well IDK :lol:

Anyways

SSJ Goten/SSJ Trunks (Post Rosat) vs FPSSJ Goku (Cell games)

I mean one on one

SSJ Goten/SSJ Trunks (Post Rosat) vs Cell Junior

I mean one on one
The kids crush Goku's skull like a grape.

The kids one shot their Juniors.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Draken » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:33 am

Goku Juniors.

Fuck them kids.

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Post by PerfectFreeza » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:42 am

The kids win in both cases, barely with Goku.
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Post by Kid Buu » Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:19 am

If Vegeta went SSJ with Namek, how does his bout with Freeza go?
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Post by PerfectFreeza » Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:33 am

An epic clash of two equal fighters.Vegeta would win, as Freeza would get weaker and weaker.
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Post by Saiga » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:58 am

dbzfan7 wrote:Well IDK :lol:

Anyways

SSJ Goten/SSJ Trunks (Post Rosat) vs FPSSJ Goku (Cell games)

I mean one on one

SSJ Goten/SSJ Trunks (Post Rosat) vs Cell Junior

I mean one on one
Kids lose round one, but I can see it going either way with the Cell Junior.
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Post by Son Edo » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:48 am

Gohan-absorbed Boo vs Genie Jafar :mrgreen:

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Post by Mjb1985 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:19 am

I think 100% Freeza would take out Ssj Vegeta ( Namek ) quite easily. I think Freeza is a distant rival of Ssj Goku and I think Goku is clearly superior to Vegeta.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:03 pm

There should be a TINY, basically non-existent ~5% advantage in Freeza's favor (115 vs 120), so everything comes down to skill. I'd say Vegeta has the edge there, so he wins. On the other hand, both of them have shit stamina, and Freeza has a wider and deadlier range of techniques, as well as the "blow up the planet" card that he can use to force a time limit on Vegeta. He's also not really that unskilled, and is quite tanky. But then, so is Vegeta. I say Vegeta 6 times out of 10, but it will be an amazing and epic fight either way.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:14 pm

I'm on board with the idea that it would be an even and epic fight between the two at practically-equal power, but Vegeta would eventually win. Mainly because Freeza's 100% would get the better of him and sooner or later cause his power to drop like a brick, leaving him vulnerable and at Vegeta's non-existent mercy.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:16 pm

Kid Buu wrote:If Vegeta went SSJ with Namek, how does his bout with Freeza go?

That;s about 116 r 155 vs 120 million. Hmm. Vegeta as shown in the Android arc have bullshit energy stamina. I also have Freeza more skilled and more durable. But I also have Vegeta being a ki blast whore. So I'll go with Freeza winning with Vegeta having a slim chance. HOWEVER it depends if Freeza 100% form get's worst fast enough due to Freeza most likely toying around and not getting the job done since he still have an edge. So once Vegeta with his high durability(Not as high as Freeza) last long enough for Freeza's power to lower then I honestly have Vegeta winning and destroying Freeza. So this can go either way.

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Post by MDSTSSJ » Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:45 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
SSJ Goten/SSJ Trunks (Post Rosat) vs FPSSJ Goku (Cell games)

I mean one on one
FPSSJ Goku stomps one on one!
SSJ Goten/SSJ Trunks (Post Rosat) vs Cell Junior

I mean one on one
Tie match but Cell Jr regeneration would be a problem!

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Mjb1985 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:02 pm

I think Freeza can still more or less punt back Ssj Vegeta's attack.

I don't think things have changed much.

Freeza vs Vegeta would be nearly identical to Ssj Vegeta vs 100% Freeza imo. Freeza was a little bit stronger than Goku before and now he's a little bit weaker. The same massive gap should still be there though.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:10 pm

Mjb1985 wrote:I think Freeza can still more or less punt back Ssj Vegeta's attack.

I don't think things have changed much.

Freeza vs Vegeta would be nearly identical to Ssj Vegeta vs 100% Freeza imo. Freeza was a little bit stronger than Goku before and now he's a little bit weaker. The same massive gap should still be there though.
Freeza - 120 million(100%)
Vegeta's base - 2.5 million
SSJ Vegeta - 125,00,000

Well I think Vegeta was at 2.5 million. That way he's slightly stronger than 3rd form Freeza and still weaker than Freeza final form suppressed. So I think Vegeta can handle Freeeeeza as the Funimation Narrator would say.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Mjb1985 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:17 pm

I don't think power levels is the most accurate way to do things here.

Vegeta could not put up a fight against Freeza.
Goku was a bit weaker than Freeza but Goku was more skillful.

Freeza >= Goku > Vegeta

Freeza was superior by such a wide margin he was able to punt back his strongest ki attack and manhandled Vegeta with ease. Vegeta couldn't keep up with Freeza at all.

100% Freeza was able to put up a halfway decent fight against Ssj Goku. This reminds me of Initial Freeza vs Base Goku only with Goku with the advantage now.

So my point is, Vegeta clearly cannot compete with Goku while Freeza can.

I just don't see anything in the story that suggests Vegeta could contend with 100% Freeza or Super Saiyan Goku even if he himself had Super Saiyan as well.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:22 pm

Son Goku vs Son Goku Jr.

Both at their prime. Do you think that Goku Jr. surpassed Goku? Did he ever managed to go beyond Super Saiyan?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:25 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Son Goku vs Son Goku Jr.

Both at their prime. Do you think that Goku Jr. surpassed Goku? Did he ever managed to go beyond Super Saiyan?
I doubt that Goku Jr. ever gets the training opportunities that his great, great, etc. grandfather had. So the original takes this.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:33 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Son Goku vs Son Goku Jr.

Both at their prime. Do you think that Goku Jr. surpassed Goku? Did he ever managed to go beyond Super Saiyan?
Do you want to Goku Jr to die a painful death? Goku in his prime will just spit on that sad excuse of a Jr and he'll melt. The spit will burn his skin and Goku will eat his brain and spit it out on Pan's grave to show Pan what a horrible grandson Jr was.

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