"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Alruneia]

Honestly, who gives a shit about eoz? It doesn't make sense anyways.

I do and clearly other fans, I'm not throwing EoZ out of the window because its still very much relevant to the story. So don't give me that.

The "no one cares about EoZ" argument gets brought up every once in a while, and every time it turns out plenty of people care. There's no real reason to ignore it (even GT ignored the five years line). So yeah, don't give us that.

[ryou766]

Honestly, who gives a shit about eoz? It doesn't make sense anyways.

I do and clearly other fans, I'm not throwing EoZ out of the window because its still very much relevant to the story. So don't give me that.

The "no one cares about EoZ" argument gets brought up every once in a while, and every time it turns out plenty of people care. There's no real reason to ignore it (even GT ignored the five years line). So yeah, don't give us that.

It's a really weak rebuttal at this point tbh. Like I said even Toei hasn't forgotten about EoZ because Oob was mentioned.

[Bansho64]

I do and clearly other fans, I'm not throwing EoZ out of the window because its still very much relevant to the story. So don't give me that. Also, caring about the situation doesn't equal character development. Of course he's going to be concerned, it's HIM being the main center of all this albeit a different timeline.

Again, that's not character development. It was bound to happen eventually and him killing that Barbarian was proof of this. Him just seeing Goku made him more butthurt.

edit: also who cares for EoZ? The very same anime you're defending since they mentioned the birth of Oob in the earlier episodes.

I care for the EOZ as well. Seriously, why in the world do people keep spouting that crap? And I don't think basic emotions in the characters automatically equals amazing and deep storytelling. That's something I expect from the anime. I'm not gonna give them credit for doing something as basic as that.

That's like giving credit to my Dad for making my dinner without maggots in it. It's literally a basic expectation for my food not to have that in there. Bugs not being in my food isn't some kind of beautiful accomplishment. It's a basic expectation. It's the same thing with Super.

[ryou766]

Also using the "EoZ doesn't make sense" argument in itself doesn't make sense because EoZ was written at a time where another DB series for Toriyama was just another "lmao not gonna happen" type of thing.

[kinisking]

Honestly, who gives a shit about eoz? It doesn't make sense anyways. And in super you slowly see him care more about the situation as it goes on.

Zamasu's didn't like mortals at first. But he was also wasn't sure about destroying them at first either. He slowly gets more and more hateful as the series progressed.

I do and clearly other fans, I'm not throwing EoZ out of the window because its still very much relevant to the story. So don't give me that. Also, caring about the situation doesn't equal character development. Of course he's going to be concerned, it's HIM being the main center of all this albeit a different timeline.

Again, that's not character development. It was bound to happen eventually and him killing that Barbarian was proof of this. Him just seeing Goku made him more butthurt.

edit: also who cares for EoZ? The very same anime you're defending since they mentioned the birth of Oob in the earlier episodes.

I'm not saying it won't happen. It'll just be significantly x changed. Eoz will most likely happen, but there will be a lot of changes if they want to be consistent. The only things that will be the same will probably be the tournament and oob. Akira toriyama already changed it in the kanzenban so I don't think he's scared of changing some stuff.

But kid trunks was definitely less concerned in the beginning. We have kid trunks fighting his future self to motivate him in episode 49 which was great to see and not something I'd expect of him in the boo saga. Especially what he says about being a saiyan.

Him killing the barbarian was after Goku. He also looked a little bit shaken after killing him, but then composed himself. Zamasu isn't really certain about killing mortals until the barbarian. He's willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until the barbarians refuse to change much in a 1000 years. He goes from caring about Gowasu's insight to completely denying it and considering him evil. And just because it was destined to happen doesn't mean it's not character development. Gohan was destined to be a scholar but it's still character development.

[kinisking]

This isn't actually true, This arc has had a lot of exposition (which I like) and few fights in between. Currently the only episode strictly focused in fights is 57 and even that one had its no fighting scenes after Yajirobe saved everyone.

Zamasu, trunks, and kid trunks have gotten development in the anime. There was a shit ton of exposition in the anime too.

I guess you meant "manga" when you said the anime had exposition too.

Either way, I didn't said the manga didn't had exposition. I just commented how I liked exposition over having only fights since TheMikado argumented the anime apparently has just fights .

I was just added on to what you said.

[ryou766]

Eoz will most likely happen, but their will be a lot of changes if they want to be consistent. The only things that will be the same will probably be the tournament and pop.

Toriyama isn't probably going to touch EoZ but if he does yes, there would probably be slight changes but I don't expect anything than maybe having Whis and Beerus visit them once the tournament is over or at least have their input on some things. EoZ doesn't interfere with Super at all when you actually take the time and think about it besides some lines in the manga where Bulma mentioned she hadn't seen Goku for some years but again, this was at a time where another Toriyama|DB series was not even taken into consideration. he was done at this point.

But kid trunks was definitely less concerned in the beginning. We have kid trunks fighting his future self to motivate him in episode 49 which was great to see and not something I'd expect of him in the boo saga. Especially what he says about being a saiyan.

He was confused at the beginning because it wasn't until Future Trunks told him the differences between their timelines that he understood the seriousness of the situation. But even then of course he was concerned for his future self because, well, it's him. Again that's not something really big for Trunks because it isn't out of his character to have some Vegeta/Saiyan pride in him.

Him killing the barbarian was after Goku. He also looked a little bit shaken after killing him, but then composed himself. Zamasu isn't really certain about killing mortals until the barbarian. He's willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until the barbarians refuse to change much in a 1000 years. He goes from caring about Gowasu's insight to completely denying it and considering him evil. And just because it was destined to happen doesn't mean it's not character development. Gohan was destined to be a scholar but it's still character development.

I meant after he saw Goku claded in god ki on Godtube, that's what really drove him to pay the Zuno a visit and learn more about Goku and attain immortality (in the other timeline). Also he was not "shaken a bit" after killing the Barbarian, he was in the moment and blood thirsty until Gowasu snapped him back to his senses. It was more of a "Oh man, I killed a mortal and it felt so good" type of moment. He didn't completely care about Gowasu's insight, because we saw that after he told Gowasu he learned his lesson, he declared subconsciously that humans were evil with no signs of changing his ways.

[TheMikado]

Zamasu, trunks, and kid trunks have gotten development in the anime. There was a shit ton of exposition in the anime too.

I guess you meant "manga" when you said the anime had exposition too.

Either way, I didn't said the manga didn't had exposition. I just commented how I liked exposition over having only fights since TheMikado argumented the anime apparently has just fights .

I was just added on to what you said.

I never said the anime was just fights. I was saying Super is fight heavy because it caters to fans that just care about the fighting and not the build up. IMO shedding fights not necessary for the overall plot is a great idea. Not everyone agrees with that

[ssj_duelist]

is there a text translation of the chapter?

[Kagari]

So I guess Trunks isn't going to meet any of the other characters in the manga then. Disappointed as I wanted to see his take on it.

[kinisking]

Eoz will most likely happen, but their will be a lot of changes if they want to be consistent. The only things that will be the same will probably be the tournament and pop.

Toriyama isn't probably going to touch EoZ but if he does yes, there would probably be slight changes but I don't expect anything than maybe having Whis and Beerus visit them once the tournament is over or at least have their input on some things. EoZ doesn't interfere with Super at all when you actually take the time and think about it besides some lines in the manga where Bulma mentioned she hadn't seen Goku for some years but again, this was at a time where another Toriyama|DB series was not even taken into consideration. he was done at this point.

One of those changes could definitely be a more motivated Goten and Trunks. That's why I don't think it's fair to bring up EOZ when it's already been changed, and most likely will continue to be. I meant that when I said it didn't matter. Not that it won't happen, my bad for not being clear.

He was confused at the beginning because it wasn't until Future Trunks told him the differences between their timelines that he understood the seriousness of the situation. But even then of course he was concerned for his future self because, well, it's him. Again that's not something really big for Trunks because it isn't out of his character to have some Vegeta/Saiyan pride in him.

Does development have to be completely out of character? Trunks was put into a motivating role, which is something he's never done before. It gave us more insight on his character and also how it's changed.

I meant after he saw Goku claded in god ki on Godtube, that's what really drove him to pay the KoA a visit and learn more about Goku and attain immortality (in the other timeline). Also he was not "shaken a bit" after killing the Barbarian, he was in the moment and blood thirsty until Gowasu snapped him back to his senses. It was more of a "Oh man, I killed a mortal and it felt so good" type of moment. He didn't completely care about Gowasu's insight, because we saw that after he told Gowasu he learned his lesson, he declared subconsciously that humans were evil with no signs of changing his ways.

You mean Zuno right? Also, I don't think that was a "feel good" moment but different interpretations I guess. He was still willing to give humans a second chance and wait before doing anything. It was Goku and the barbarians that solidified his decision. That's why he never did anything in the Future Trunks timeline until black motivated him to act on it.

I never said the anime was just fights. I was saying Super is fight heavy because it caters to fans that just care about the fighting and not the build up. IMO shedding fights not necessary for the overall plot is a great idea. Not everyone agrees with that

I hope you don't think the manga version of the boo saga was better because that was a completely unnecessary fight.

[Beerus-sama]

I guess you meant "manga" when you said the anime had exposition too.

Either way, I didn't said the manga didn't had exposition. I just commented how I liked exposition over having only fights since TheMikado argumented the anime apparently has just fights .

I was just added on to what you said.

I never said the anime was just fights. I was saying Super is fight heavy because it caters to fans that just care about the fighting and not the build up. IMO shedding fights not necessary for the overall plot is a great idea. Not everyone agrees with that

Sorry if I misinterpreted you, but still, I don't think the Super anime (atleast in this arc) is being fight heavy.

I was just added on to what you said.

Oh! sorry then *hides*

[ryou766]

You mean Zuno right? Also, I don't think that was a "feel good" moment but different interpretations I guess. He was still willing to give humans a second chance and wait before doing anything. It was Goku and the barbarians that solidified his decision. That's why he never did anything in the Future Trunks timeline until black motivated him to act on it.

Yeah I went ahead and changed it. Anyways there aren't any hints that Zamasu was willing to completely let go of his beliefs, especially not after his encounter with Goku. Before meeting Goku it might have been taken into consideration but that's unlikely. Also Black DOES point out that killing Gowasu was what Zamasu wanted, so it's safe to assume that Zamasu was planning on doing it eventually hadn't Black showed up just like the Zamasu within Goku's body. He was mainly shocked after seeing Black kill Gowasu because he didn't know who Black was and for all we know he might have thought it was Goku.

[OLKv3]

Its funny how people love these "filler" scenes in the manga but completely hate in the anime. People be like: wow toei is messing up Super really bad. This isn't Akira's idea. Beerus and driving cars with humans?? Just relaxt people and enjoy both the product.

Again, people praised Trunks meeting Gohan in the Super anime. They also praised the Vegeta slice of life episode. The only filler that gets bashed are ones that cause inconsistencies. Kaio Ken x 10 Goku. Meanwhile, SSG Goku in the manga gets bashed even more.

It feels like you're just trying to start a fight with the manga lovers. Your type shows up every month doing this for some reason.


This go kart thing is only a few pages at best.

If you read my last sentence you should KNOW that I am not picking a fight. "Just enjoy both the products"

I love It how people ( like you) are digging into my forum-past to criticise my behavior. Then again, I guess if you don't have anything better to do you will do this kind of psycho things?! You are really weird man stop stalking me

HUH? HUH? I don't even know you, what the hell lol? This is my first time ever responding to you

[batistabus]

The manga hasn't disappointed since the Universe 6 arc began. In his artwork and his details, Toyotaro once again proves he is worthy of taking up the mantle (Jiji who?). Loved the Kibito nod. Dragon Kart was a lot of fun. Gowasu is thankfully less oblivious. Love the god computer. The person from the 12th universe being the first traveler is awesome, whether we ever get any more details about it or not.

As for EoZ, the only thing I care about is that Goku meets Oob and decides to train him. I won't sweat the details if certain things end up being changed.

[kinisking]

You mean Zuno right? Also, I don't think that was a "feel good" moment but different interpretations I guess. He was still willing to give humans a second chance and wait before doing anything. It was Goku and the barbarians that solidified his decision. That's why he never did anything in the Future Trunks timeline until black motivated him to act on it.

Yeah I went ahead and changed it. Anyways there aren't any hints that Zamasu was willing to completely let go of his beliefs, especially not after his encounter with Goku. Before meeting Goku it might have been taken into consideration but that's unlikely. Also Black DOES point out that killing Gowasu was what Zamasu wanted, so it's safe to assume that Zamasu was planning on doing it eventually hadn't Black showed up just like the Zamasu within Goku's body. He was mainly shocked after seeing Black kill Gowasu because he didn't know who Black was and for all we know he might have thought it was Goku.

The fact that you use meeting goku as a turning point proves that his character developed. And he might have been interested in it, but even 17 years later he still hadn't done it because he didn't receive a catalyst.

[ryou766]

The fact that you use meeting goku as a turning point proves that his character developed. And he might have been interested in it, but even 17 years later he still hadn't done it because he didn't receive a catalyst.

It didn't develop because he never truly let go of his beliefs beforehand. I said it's PROBABLE that he took seeing some sort bright side to humans into consideration, but it's highly unlikely.

[kinisking]

The fact that you use meeting goku as a turning point proves that his character developed. And he might have been interested in it, but even 17 years later he still hadn't done it because he didn't receive a catalyst.

It didn't develop because he never truly let go of his beliefs beforehand. I said it's PROBABLE that he took seeing some sort bright side to humans into consideration, but it's highly unlikely.

Make up your mind is it probable or unlikely? You do know those words are exact opposite right?
He got to the stage where he was willing to act on his feelings. That is definitely development because by the end because he was no longer willing to ask Gowasu and his tea wasnt murky anymore which signified he had a clear mind.

[Hellspawn28]

I think having someone from U12 to create time rings in U10 makes more sense than the rings being made by Future Trunks. I mean how can a time travel event from U7 can create a time ring in a totally different universe that is not link to them?

[Sandubadear]

I think having someone from U12 to create time rings in U10 makes more sense than the rings being made by Future Trunks. I mean how can a time travel event from U7 can create a time ring in a totally different universe that is not link to them?

Neither U7 or U12 are connected to U10. Timelines just split all universes, simple as that.