Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[Kaboom]

Evil (Super) Boo: 12
SS3 Gotenks: 26

Uh, that's a typo, right?

Uh... yes. Fixed.

[Analytic]

On scales of 1 to 10, how would you put these characters:

Super Vegetto
Super Boo-han
Super Boo-tenks
Ultimate Gohan
SSJ3 Gotenks
Super Boo
Fat Boo
Grey Boo
SSJ3 Goku
SSJ2 Vegeta (after Majin Boost)

SS Vegetto: 10
Gohan-Boo: 6
Gotenks-Boo: 5.4
Ultimate Gohan: 3.6
SS3 Gotenks 3
Evil Boo: 2.4
SS3 Goku: 0.0012
Majin Boo: 0.0010
Gray Boo: 0.0006
Good Boo: 0.0004
SS2 Vegeta: 0.0003

[GreatSaiyaman123]

On scales of 1 to 10, how would you put these characters:

Super Vegetto
Super Boo-han
Super Boo-tenks
Ultimate Gohan
SSJ3 Gotenks
Super Boo
Fat Boo
Grey Boo
SSJ3 Goku
SSJ2 Vegeta (after Majin Boost)


I'm mainly asking because, I don't remember much about the manga, but Super Boo is supposed to be already leagues beyond SSJ3 Goku's power, right? So why didn't SSJ2 Goku/Vegeta didn't instant died attempting to fight Boo-han? Isn't the gap just too wide?

Like almost everyone, i think a 1-10 scale isn't enough. So:
Super Vegetto = 400
Super Boohan = 150
Super Buutenks = 120
Ultimate Gohan = 90
SSJ3 Gotenks = 60
Super Buu = 60
Fat Buu (Post split) = 3
Evil Buu = 7
SSJ3 Goku (Full power) = 8
SSJ2 Vegeta (Post Majin) = 2

[dbgtFO]

On scales of 1 to 10, how would you put these characters:
[...]

Super Vegetto: 10
Super Boo-han: 8
Super Boo-tenks: 7.2
Ultimate Gohan: 4.8
SSJ3 Gotenks: 4
Super Boo: 3.2

SSJ3 Goku: 0.4
Grey Buu: 0.3
Fat Buu/Mr. Buu: 0.2
SSJ2 Vegeta (after Majin Boost): 0.1

[Desassina]

Using SSJ2 Goku and Majin Vegeta as 1 or 100 times less than their multiplier, the highest that I can go is 20.

[spoiler]Super Vegetto - 20
Gohan Boo - 12.8
Gotenks Boo - 10.24
Ultimate Gohan / Buff Boo - 8
SSJ3 Gotenks / Super Boo - 6.4
Evil the Grey Boo - 5
SSJ3 Goku / Kid Boo - 4
Fat Boo / Piccolo Boo - 1.6
Good Boo / Base Gotenks & Piccolo Boo - 1.28
SSJ2 Goku and Majin Vegeta - 1
SSJ Gotenks - 0.8
Piccolo - 0.25[/spoiler]

I'm using multiplication for absorption. Super Boo times SSJ3 Gotenks' power is downscaled by Piccolo's 0.25 to a closer number. With Base Gotenks going from 0.016 to 0.8 before SSJ, and Piccolo Boo tapping into his full power, the initial drop of 0.25 times his battle power is multiplied by 0.8, which leads to 1.28. SSJ Gotenks starts at 0.8 and goes up to 1.6 before SSJ2, which is enough to match Fat Boo. Kid Boo's power times the original Fat Boo ends up making Super Boo's, as if it were Evil multiplied by Good, so inverting the process by dividing leads to a full circle.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

My official power levels

Spoiler:

Goku = 50
Bulma = 4
Pterodactyl = 17
Bear thief = 24
Master Roshi = 100
Oolong = 3
Puar = 2
Yamcha = 40
Goku (Hungry) = 40
Ox-King = 75
Chi-Chi = 37.5
Master Roshi (Buff form) = 150
Master Roshi Buff Kamehameha = 200
Goku Kamehameha = 55
Boss Rabit's men = 5 each
Boss Rabbit = 10
Agent Mai = 6
Agent Shu = 6
Imperor Pilaf = 2.5
Oozaru Goku = 500
Goku (Tailess) = 40
Krillin = 35
Launch (Good) = 5
Launch (Bad) = 15

Spoiler:

Bacterian = 10
Yamcha (Post training) = 60
Ranfam = 30
Giran = 75
Goku (Post Roshi) = 80
Giran Bubblegun = 90
Krillin (Post Roshi) = 70
Nam = 80
Goku (Tail) = 100
Jackie Chun = 100
Oozaru Goku = 1,000
Jackie Chun Buff Kamehameha = 200

Spoiler:

Goku = 105
Colonel Silver = 24
Red Ribbon Soldiers = 5 - 6
Major Metallitron = 90
Ninja Murasaki = 21
Android 8 = 120
Buyon = 80
General White = 15
Robot Pirate = 95
Krillin = 70
Giant Octopus = 50
General Blue = 80
Bora = 60
Upa = 3,5
Mercenary Tao = 125
Goku (Post Tower climb) = 125
Master Karin = 190
Goku (Post Karin) = 150
Commander Red = 4
Staff Officer Black = 18
Black's Robot = 110
Yamcha = 60
Vampire = 65
Invisible man = 40
Mummy man = 80
Akkuman = 120
Granpa Gohan = 148
Goku (Tailess) = 120

Spoiler:

King Chappa = 80
Yamcha (Post Roshi) = 120
Tenshinhan (Supressed) = 150
Yamcha Kamehameha = 132
Wolf man = 35
Chaotsu = 90
Krillin = 110
Chaotsu Dodonwave = 120
Krillin Kamehameha = 132
Pamput = 50
Jackie Chun (Supressed) = 139
Jackie Chun (Serious) = 180
Tenshinhan (Full power) = 180
Goku (Post training) = 180
Master Tsuru = 135
Tenshinhan Kikoho (Supressed) = 225

Spoiler:

Goku (Fatigued) = 90
Yajirobe = 178
Cymbal = 120
Yamcha (Injured) = 80
Tambourine = 165
Goku (Recovered) = 190
King Piccolo (Weighted) = 195
King Piccolo (Serious) = 210
King Piccolo Bakurikimaha = 420
Master Roshi = 139
Tenshinhan = 180
Chaotsu = 90
Yajirobe (Post Tower climb) = 198
Goku (Recovered) = 200
Tenshinhan (Post training) = 190
Drum = 200
Goku (Post Ultra Water) = 265
King Piccolo (Prime) = 240
King Piccolo (Full power) = 260
Goku Kamehameha = 280
King Piccolo Bakurikimaha = 480
King Piccolo (Fatigued) = 230
Goku Oozaru Punch = 325
Mr Popo = 300
Kami = 320

Spoiler:

Yajirobe = 195
King Chappa = 110
Chaotsu = 120
Cyborg Tao = 185
Chi-Chi = 90
Krillin = 180
Yamcha = 180
Yamcha Sokidan = 225
Tenshinhan = 240
Goku (Weighted) = 282
Shen = 320
Piccolo Jr (Weighted) = 274
Goku (Full power) = 364
Piccolo Jr (Full power) = 360
Piccolo Jr Bakurikimaha = 900
Goku Super Kamehameha = 910
Piccolo Jr (Giant) = 720
Piccolo Jr (Fatigued) = 288

Spoiler:

Farmer = 5
Gohan = 1
Raditz (Supressed) = 1,250
Goku (Weighted) = 334
Piccolo (Weighted) = 322
Piccolo (Full power) = 408
Goku (Full power) = 416
Goku Super Kamehameha = 924
Raditz (Unseen full power) = 1,500
Gohan (Enraged) = 1,307
Piccolo Special Beam Cannon = 1,330
Master Roshi = 139
Bulma = 4,5
Krillin = 206
Yamcha = 177
Tenshinhan = 300
Chaotsu = 150
Yajirobe = 190
Kami (Old) = 220
King Yemma = 2,500
King Kai = 3,500
1 year later...
Mr Popo (Post Z Warriors training) = 1,080
Nappa (Initial) = 3,500
Saibamens = 1,200 each
Yamcha = 1,500
Krillin = 1,800
Tenshinhan = 2,400
Chaotsu = 1,200
Piccolo = 3,500
Gohan = 1,080
Nappa (Powered up) = 4,500
Tenshinhan (Injured) = 960
Chaotsu self destruction = 3,600
Tenshinhan Kikoho (Injured) = 4,800
Gohan Enraged Masenko = 2,800
Goku (Post King Kai) = 8,250
Nappa (Full power) = 7,000
Prince Vegeta = 16,500
Goku Kaioken = 12,375
Vegeta (Full power) = 18,000
Goku Kaioken x2 = 16,500
Goku Kaioken x3 = 24,750
Goku (Post Kaioken x3) = 6,000
Vegeta Garlic Gun = 28,000
Goku Kaioken Kamehameha x3 = 27,000
Goku Kaioken Kamehameha x4 = 36,000
Goku (Post Kaioken x4) = 3,000
Vegeta (Injured) = 12,000
Oozaru Vegeta (Injured,power ball) = 60,000
Spirit Bomb = 500,000
Gohan (Zenkai) = 1,440
Yajirobe = 750
Vegeta (Post Oozaru) = 4,500
Gohan (Enraged) = 2,880
Krillin's Spirit Bomb = 25,000
Vegeta (Critically injured) = 1,100
Oozaru Gohan (Injured) = 4,800
Vegeta (Crushed) = 4,5
Krillin (Critically injured) = 90
Goku (Crippled) = 2

Spoiler:

Namekians = 800 - 1,200
Freeza's Henchmens = 500 - 1,500
Elder Moori = 1,600
Namekian Warriors = 3,000 each
Dende = 10
Gohan = 1,920
Gohan (Enraged) = 9,600
Krillin = 1,800
Dodoria = 21,000
Kui = 18,800
Vegeta = 24,000
Zarbon = 22,500
Zarbon (Monster form) = 30,000
Appule = 3,000
Vegeta (Zenkai) = 32,000
Gohan (Potential unlocked) = 13,500
Krillin (Potential unlocked) = 12,000
Guldo = 4,500
Vegeta (Full power) = 36,000
Recoome = 40,000
Vegeta Final Flash = 45,000
Goku (Post 100G training) = 90,000
Jeice and Boter = 42,500 each
Captain Ginyu = 120,000
Goku Kaioken x2 = 180,000
Captain Ginyu in Goku's body = 23,000 and increasing
Krillin (Potential increasing) = 18,000
Gohan (PI+Zenkai) = 27,000
Vegeta (Zenkai,fatigued) = 160,000
Nail = 42,000
Imperor Freeza = 260,000

Spoiler:

Dende (Potential unlocked) = 30
Gohan (Potential increasing) = 100,000 and increasing
Krillin (Potential increasing) = 75,000 and increasing
Vegeta (Rested) = 480,000
Freeza (Full power) = 530,000
Freeza (2nd form) = 1,060,000
Gohan (Enraged) = 800,000
Krillin (Healed)* = 180,000 (He didn't get a power up for healing, it's just his potential increasing.)
Yamcha = 50,000
Tenshinhan = 80,000
Chaotsu = 10,000
Piccolo (Weighted) = 120,000
Gohan (Zenkai+PI) = 350,000
Piccolo (Fused with Nail) = 1,200,000
Piccolo (Full power) = 1,500,000
Freeza (3rd form) = 2,120,000
Gohan (Enraged) = 1,600,000
Gohan enraged Masenko = 2,000,000
Freeza (Final form,1%) = 2,000,000
Vegeta (Zenkai) = 2,400,000
Freeza (2%) = 4,000,000
Goku (Zenkai) = 3,600,000
Goku Kaioken = 5,400,000
Freeza (50%) = 100,000,000
Goku Kaioken x10 = 36,000,000
Goku Kaioken Kamehameha x20 = 90,000,000
Goku (Post Kaioken x20) = 3,000,000
Piccolo (+Gohan and Krillin) = 4,000,000
Large Spirit Bomb = 150,000,000
Freeza (50%,injured) = 60,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku (Supressed) = 100,000,000
Freeza (70%) = 84,000,000
Freeza (Full power) = 120,000,000 and falling
Super Saiyan Goku (Less supressed) = 120,000,000
Freeza (Strain) = 90,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku (Full power) = 150,000,000

Spoiler:

Vegeta = 3,200,000
Yamcha = 120,000
Tenshinhan = 250,000
Krillin = 150,000
Gohan = 300,000
Piccolo = 2,400,000
Future Trunks = 5,000,000
Mecha Freeza (10%) = 2,400,000
SSJ Future Trunks = 250,000,000
Mecha Freeza (70%) = 168,000,000
King Cold = 90,000,000
Goku (Post Yardrat) = 6,000,000
SSJ Goku = 300,000,000

Spoiler:

Goku = 15,000,000
Yamcha = 2,400,000
Android 19 = 50,000,000
SSJ Goku (Sick) = 500,000,000
Android 19 (Kamehameha drained) = 150,000,000
SSJ Goku (Post Kamehameha) = 400,000,000
SSJ Goku (Heart virus) = 20,000,000
Vegeta = 16,000,000
SSJ Vegeta (Supressed) = 400,000,000
Android 19 (Vegeta's energy drained) = 250,000,000
SSJ Vegeta Big Bang Attack (Supressed,drained) = 360,000,000
Dr Gero = 75,000,000
Piccolo (Supressed) = 25,000,000
Gohan = 7,500,000
Dr Gero (Piccolo's energy drained) = 90,000,000
Piccolo (Full power) = 250,000,000
Future Trunks = 7,500,000
Android 18 = 1,000,000,000
SSJ Vegeta (Full power) = 800,000,000
SSJ Trunks = 375,000,000
Android 17 (50%) = 600,000,000
Tenshinhan = 5,000,000
Krillin = 3,000,000

Spoiler:

Super Piccolo (Weighted) = 1,000,000,000
Imperfect Cell = 600,000,000
Android 17 (100%) = 1,200,000,000
Super Piccolo (Full power) = 1,250,000,000
Super Piccolo Hellzone Grenade = 1,350,000,000
Imperfect Cell (Humans absorbed) = 1,800,000,000
Super Piccolo (Fatigued) = 900,000,000
Super Piccolo Light Grenade (Fatigued) = 1,350,000,000
Android 17 (Injured) = 900,000,000
Android 16 = 2,000,000,000
Semi-Perfect Cell = 3,000,000,000
Tenshinhan = 5,000,000
Tenshinhan Shin Kikoho = 2,500,000,000
SSJ Vegeta (Post HTC) = 4,000,000,000
Trunks (Post HTC) = 75,000,000
Super Vegeta = 5,000,000,000
Semi-Perfect Cell (Full power) = 3,750,000,000
SSJ Trunks = 3,750,000,000
Android 18 = 1,000,000,000
Krillin = 3,000,000
Perfect Cell (Initial) = 6,000,000,000
Super Vegeta Final Flash = 10,000,000,000
Super Trunks = 4,687,500,000
Ultra Trunks = 5,625,000,000
Perfect Cell (Buff) = 7,500,000,000

Spoiler:

Mr Satan = 22
MSSJ Goku (50%) = 7,500,000,000
Perfect Cell (Warming up) = 7,500,000,000
MSSJ Goku (Full power) = 15,000,000,000
Perfect Cell (Serious) = 18,000,000,000
MSSJ Goku Instant Kamehameha = 22,500,000,000
MSSJ Gohan = 16,000,000,000
Cell Jrs = 7,500,000,000
SSJ Vegeta (Post HTC) = 8,000,000,000
SSJ Trunks (Post HTC) = 7,500,000,000
Piccolo (Post HTC) = 6,250,000,000
Tenshinhan = 6,000,000
Krillin = 3,300,000
Yamcha = 2,640,000
Android 16 = 2,000,000,000
MSSJ Gohan (Enraged) = 40,000,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan (Enraged) = 80,000,000,000
Perfect Cell (Full power) = 30,000,000,000
Perfect Cell Kamehameha = 40,000,000,000
Gohan SSJ2 Kamehameha = 100,000,000,000
Perfect Cell (Buff form) = 45,000,000,000
Semi-Perfect Cell (Fatigued) = 2,000,000,000
Super Perfect Cell = 60,000,000,000
Super Vegeta (Enraged) = 20,000,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan (Injured) = 40,000,000,000
Super Perfect Cell Solar Kamehameha = 120,000,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan Super Kamehameha = 100,000,000,000
Father-son Kamehameha = 300,000,000,000

Spoiler:

Goku = 360,000,000
Ginyu Force = 4,500 - 42,500
King Cold = 90,000,000
Freeza = 100,000,000
SPC (Supressed) = 600,000,000
Goku (SSJ Boost) = 3,600,000,000
Paikuhan (Weighted) = 15,000,000,000
Other World Fighters = 10,000 - 100,000,000
Olibu = 7,500,000,000
MSSJ Goku = 18,000,000,000
Paikuhan (Full power) = 22,500,000,000
Goku Super Kaioken x2 = 36,000,000,000
Grand Kai = 250,000

Spoiler:

Gohan = 150,000,000
MSSJ Gohan (Supressed) = 750,000,000
Goten = 9,000,000
SSJ Goten = 450,000,000
Trunks = 10,000,000
SSJ Trunks = 500,000,000
Videl = 23
Goten (Post training) = 27,000,000
Trunks (Post training) = 30,000,000
SSJ Goten = 1,350,000,000
SSJ Trunks = 1,500,000,000
Mr Satan = 22
Pintar = 15
Krillin = 5,000,000
Piccolo (Supressed) = 2,800,000,000
Kaioshin (Supressed) = 5,000,000,000
Majin Spopovich = 45
Videl (Post training) = 30
MSSJ Gohan (Post training,enraged) = 75,000,000,000
Kibito = 1,000,000,000
Gohan (Enraged) = 1,500,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan (Enraged) = 150,000,000,000
Majin Yamu = 50

Spoiler:

Piccolo (Weighted,serious) = 28,000,000,000
Kibito = 1,000,000,000
Majin Pui Pui = 1,800,000
Vegeta = 1,600,000,000
Majin Yakon = 900,000,000
Goku = 2,000,000,000
MSSJ Goku = 100,000,000,000
Majin Dabura (Supressed) = 17,500,000,000
MSSJ Gohan = 15,000,000,000
Majin Vegeta = 200,000,000,000
SSJ2 Goku = 200,000,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan = 30,000,000,000
Fat Buu = 100,000,000,000
Majin Dabura (Full power) = 35,000,000,000
Kaioshin (Full power) = 15,000,000,000
Majin Vegeta (Zenkai) = 250,000,000,000
Fat Buu (Enraged) = 300,000,000,000
Majin Vegeta Final Explosion = 375,000,000,000
Fat Buu (Post Vegeta) = 500,000,000,000
SSJ3 Goku (Supressed) = 600,000,000,000
Gotenks = 2,850,000,000
SSJ Gotenks = 142,500,000,000
Fat Buu (ANGRY!!!) = 1,000,000,000,000
Good Buu (Post split) = 300,000,000,000
Evil Buu = 700,000,000,000

Spoiler:

Gohan (Z Sword training) = 900,000,000
Dende = 1,000
Krillin = 5,000,000
Yamcha = 4,000,000
Chi-Chi = 125
Android 18 = 1,000,000,000
Piccolo (Weighted) = 28,000,000,000
Piccolo (Unseen full power) = 35,000,000,000
Super Buu = 6,000,000,000,000
Goten and Trunks (Post HTC) = 150,000,000 each
MSSJ Goten and Trunks = 7,500,000,000 each
MSSJ Gotenks = 750,000,000,000
SSJ3 Gotenks = 6,000,000,000,000
Mystic Gohan = 9,000,000,000,000
Super Buutenks = 12,035,000,000,000
Kibitoshin = 40,000,000,000
Tenshinhan = 150,000,000
Chaotsu = 750,000
Super Buuccolo = 6,035,300,000,000
Super Buuhan = 15,035,300,000,000
Super Vegetto = 40,000,000,000,000
Huge Buu (Full power) = 12,000,000,000,000

Spoiler:

Bibidi (Flashback) = 2,5
North Kaioshin (Flashback) = 30,000,000,000
West Kaioshin (Flashback) = 60,000,000,000
South Kaioshin (Flashback) = 600,000,000,000
Huge Buu (Flashback) = 1,200,000,000,000
East Kaioshin (Flashback) = 15,000,000,000
Dai Kaioshin (Flashback) = 300,000,000,000
Kid Buu = 600,000,000,000
SSJ3 Goku (Supressed) = 600,000,000,000
SSJ3 Goku (Full power) = 800,000,000,000
SSJ2 Vegeta = 200,000,000,000
Good Buu = 300,000,000,000
Mr Satan = 22
Final Spirit Bomb = 3,000,000,000,000

Hope you guys enjoy it.

[apex_pretador]

On scales of 1 to 10, how would you put these characters:

Super Vegetto
Super Boo-han
Super Boo-tenks
Ultimate Gohan
SSJ3 Gotenks
Super Boo
Fat Boo
Grey Boo
SSJ3 Goku
SSJ2 Vegeta (after Majin Boost)


I'm mainly asking because, I don't remember much about the manga, but Super Boo is supposed to be already leagues beyond SSJ3 Goku's power, right? So why didn't SSJ2 Goku/Vegeta didn't instant died attempting to fight Boo-han? Isn't the gap just too wide?

Buuhan - 10
Buutenks - 9.5
Super vegetto - Over 40
Gohan - 5.8
Gotenks - 5.3
Super buu - 4
Buff buu - 5
Kid buu - 3.5 (full power) , 3 (initial)
SS3 goku - 3 (Full power) , 2 (against fat buu)
Fat buu - 1.6
Majin vegeta - Around 1

Anyone wanna do anime PLs (+ movies and specials)?

I did it once, do you want to see my numbers?

On that note, what powar levuls would you people give to the following:
Enma Daio
Kuririn (Base Power)
Kuririn (Rage Boost?)
Kuririn (That-Attack-He-Used-To-Kill-The-Saibamen)
Chaozu (Base Power)
Chaozu (Pre Self Destruct)
Chaozu (Self Destruct)
Tenshinhan (Base Power)
Tenshinhan (Pre Kikoho)
Tenshinhan (Kikoho)
Kuririn (Kienzan)
Piccolo (Base Power)
Piccolo (Makankorikimaha? That attack which looks like both Bakurikimaha and Makankosappo combined)
Gohan (Base Power)
Gohan (Rage Boost / Pre Masenko)
Banan, Sui and Appule

I don't list seperate powers for attacks. For me, the power rising while usnig attacks is because the said attacks bringing out more power. So, if KaioKen x20 goku is 50 million, then his kamehameha won't be 120 million or something like that.
It is because kami told them to conserve their energies.
It is the same as how KaioKen x3 goku (22000 and dropping) kamehameha (by THAT scaling should be 50,000) stalemated Vegeta's galick gun (well below 18000 due to damage)

Makankosappo is different because all that charging thing.

Anyways, assuming you mean saiyan battle, I put krillin around 1600 at full power.
Chiaotzu around 900, self destruct 2000 or higher. Possibly 2500

Tenshinhan at 1650 , with one hand 1300 and kikoho reaching 2200
Piccolo at 2600
Gohan (calm) at 1200, angry at 2800
Gohan (post zenkai) at 3000 (calm), enraged around 4000
Nappa around 5600

What do you guys have Saiyan Saga Vegeta at after he turns back into human after having his tail chopped off?
Above Nappa? Below

At 6000, with nappa at 5600

[TheUltimateNinja]

How big would you say the gap is between 100% Frieza and Cell's various forms?
Personally I have:
Imperfect Cell (Initial): 3.33x Frieza
Imperfect Cell (Energy absorbed): 6.25x Frieza.
Semi Perfect Cell (Initial): 8.33x Frieza.
Semi Perfect Cell (Full Power): 10x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Initial): 12x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Warming up): 12.5-14x Frieza
Buff Cell: 16.66x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Vs Goku Initial): 20x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Vs Goku): 32.5x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Vs Gohan): 35.5x Frieza
FP Perfect Cell: 42.5x Frieza
Power Weighted Cell: 50x Frieza
Super Perfect Cell: 70x Frieza

[Bullza]

Does Gohan and Krillin releasing their Ki on Namek and both being around 1,500 contradict the Daizenshuu numbers that have Krillin at 1,770?

He surely got stronger after the image training with Gohan so 1,500 seems too low if you take those Daizenshuu numbers into account.

[dbgtFO]

Does Gohan and Krillin releasing their Ki on Namek and both being around 1,500 contradict the Daizenshuu numbers that have Krillin at 1,770?

He surely got stronger after the image training with Gohan so 1,500 seems too low if you take those Daizenshuu numbers into account.

Yeah, you can only rectify it by saying he was wearing weighted clothing(he takes off his undershirt before they go to the namekian village) or that the 1,770 number is for his full power blast(the one that killed all those Saibaimen).

[Desassina]

TheUltimateNinja, I had an idea for Cell, which you may disagree, because the gaps are a bit low. It goes like this:

- with 50% of a new form being equal to 100% of the previous one, Cell ought to have 4 times the potential.
- since he transformed twice, he can grow 2^3 times his battle power, which is the same as 8 times more.
- add in a Zenkai of 1.25 times his battle power, and he has grown by 10 fold from the beginning to the end.

Imperfect Cell (50%) = 240'000'000
Imperfect Cell (100%) / Semi-Perfect Cell (50%) = 480'000'000
Semi-Perfect Cell (100%) / Perfect Cell (50%) = 960'000'000
Perfect Cell (100%) = 1'920'000'000
Super Perfect Cell (Zenkai) = 2'400'000'000

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Does Gohan and Krillin releasing their Ki on Namek and both being around 1,500 contradict the Daizenshuu numbers that have Krillin at 1,770?

He surely got stronger after the image training with Gohan so 1,500 seems too low if you take those Daizenshuu numbers into account.

Zarbon said they power levels are AROUND 1,500; and probably they wasn't in full power.

How big would you say the gap is between 100% Frieza and Cell's various forms?

Considering i have no injured FP Freeza at 200,000,000:
Initial Imperfect Cell = 3x Freeza
Imperfect Cell (Humans absorbed) = 9x Freeza
Initial Semi Perfect Cell = 15x Freeza
Full power Semi Perfect Cell = 18.75x Freeza
Initial Perfect Cell = 30x Freeza
Bulk Perfect Cell = 37.5x Freeza
Perfect Cell (Warming up vs Goku) = 37.5x Freeza
Perfect Cell (Serious vs Goku and Gohan) = 75x Freeza
Full power Perfect Cell = 150x Freeza
Extremely bulked up Perfect Cell = 225x Freeza
Super Perfect Cell = 300x Freeza

And a question: How strong do you guys have all the non fused saiyans (Goten and Trunks pre and post tournament and HTC, Goku, pre and post majin Vegeta and pre and post tournament Gohan) compared to other characters?

[Bullza]

Does Gohan and Krillin releasing their Ki on Namek and both being around 1,500 contradict the Daizenshuu numbers that have Krillin at 1,770?

He surely got stronger after the image training with Gohan so 1,500 seems too low if you take those Daizenshuu numbers into account.

Yeah, you can only rectify it by saying he was wearing weighted clothing(he takes off his undershirt before they go to the namekian village) or that the 1,770 number is for his full power blast(the one that killed all those Saibaimen).

Possibly. I wasn't aware that Krillin ever wore weighted clothing but you can see him remove his undershirt. Gohan didn't remove anything so does that mean Krillin would be stronger than Gohan if it were indeed weighted clothing?

The Saibaman is at 1,200 and the Daizenshuu has Raditz at 1,500. It'd mean Krillin would be in between the two in the Saiyan Saga.

You could say the 1,770 was referring to his best move. Is that something the Daizenshuu does? If they had Gohan at 2,800 then you could say it's true but I don't know if it is or not.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Considering i have no injured FP Freeza at 200,000,000:
Initial Imperfect Cell = 3x Freeza
Imperfect Cell (Humans absorbed) = 9x Freeza
Initial Semi Perfect Cell = 15x Freeza
Full power Semi Perfect Cell = 18.75x Freeza
Initial Perfect Cell = 30x Freeza
Bulk Perfect Cell = 37.5x Freeza
Perfect Cell (Warming up vs Goku) = 37.5x Freeza
Perfect Cell (Serious vs Goku and Gohan) = 75x Freeza
Full power Perfect Cell = 150x Freeza
Extremely bulked up Perfect Cell = 225x Freeza
Super Perfect Cell = 300x Freeza

And a question: How strong do you guys have all the non fused saiyans (Goten and Trunks pre and post tournament and HTC, Goku, pre and post majin Vegeta and pre and post tournament Gohan) compared to other characters?

SPC being that strong contradicts Base Saiyans < Frieza.

Anyway, for the characters in the Buu Arc:
Goku: 10.5 SSJ: 525 SSJ2: 1,050 SSJ3: 4,200
Vegeta: 8 SSJ: 400 SSJ2: 800
Majin Vegeta: 10 SSJ: 500 SSJ2: 1,000
Gohan (Pre): 7.6 SSJ: 380 SSJ2: 684 Enraged SSJ2: 760
Gohan (Post): 8 SSJ: 400 SSJ2: 800 Ultimate: 8,000
Goten (Pre): 4 SSJ: 200
Trunks (Pre): 4.2 SSJ: 210
Gotenks (Pre): 16 SSJ: 800
Goten (Post): 5.6 SSJ: 280
Trunks (Post): 5.6 SSJ: 280
Gotenks (Post): 28 SSJ: 1,400 SSJ3: 5,600 (I have his SSJ3 at 1/2 the usual multiplier)
Buu: Fat: 1,400 Pure: 3,500 Evil/Super: 5,600
Piccolo: 320
Evil Buu: 5,600 w/ Gotenks: 11,200 w/ Piccolo: 5,920 w/ Gohan: 13,600
Vegetto: 1,000 SSJ: 50,000
Kuririn/Krillin: 0.28
Tenshinhan: 0.24
Yamcha: 0.0015
18: 45
Kaioshin: 640
Pui Pui: 0.3
Yakon: 12
Dabura: 400

[dbgtFO]

Possibly. I wasn't aware that Krillin ever wore weighted clothing but you can see him remove his undershirt. Gohan didn't remove anything so does that mean Krillin would be stronger than Gohan if it were indeed weighted clothing?

The Saibaman is at 1,200 and the Daizenshuu has Raditz at 1,500. It'd mean Krillin would be in between the two in the Saiyan Saga.

You could say the 1,770 was referring to his best move. Is that something the Daizenshuu does? If they had Gohan at 2,800 then you could say it's true but I don't know if it is or not.

The Daizenshuu 7 BP chart and the Weekly Jump scan, they took those numbers from, had Gohan at 2,800 with no clarification, that it was only, when using Masenko.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Does Gohan and Krillin releasing their Ki on Namek and both being around 1,500 contradict the Daizenshuu numbers that have Krillin at 1,770?

He surely got stronger after the image training with Gohan so 1,500 seems too low if you take those Daizenshuu numbers into account.

They most likely weren't at full power.

TheUltimateNinja, I had an idea for Cell, which you may disagree, because the gaps are a bit low. It goes like this:

- with 50% of a new form being equal to 100% of the previous one, Cell ought to have 4 times the potential.
- since he transformed twice, he can grow 2^3 times his battle power, which is the same as 8 times more.
- add in a Zenkai of 1.25 times his battle power, and he has grown by 10 fold from the beginning to the end.

Imperfect Cell (50%) = 240'000'000
Imperfect Cell (100%) / Semi-Perfect Cell (50%) = 480'000'000
Semi-Perfect Cell (100%) / Perfect Cell (50%) = 960'000'000
Perfect Cell (100%) = 1'920'000'000
Super Perfect Cell (Zenkai) = 2'400'000'000

The gaps here are mostly fine, but I personally believe that Imperfect Cell starts off much stronger and each transformation simply adds the the androids' power to his own, and in his Perfect form he gains access to weaker versions of SSJ and the Grade forms, and after he comes back from his failed suicide he gains SSJ2 and becomes twice as strong.

Here's my numbers:
Imperfect Cell (Initial): 400,000,000
Imperfect Cell (Energy absorbed): 750,000,000
17: 500,000,000
Semi Perfect Cell (+ 17's power): 1,250,000,000
18: 450,000,000
Perfect Cell (+18's power): 1,700,000,000
Perfect Cell (SSJ, 2.5x multiplier): 4,250,000,000
FP Perfect Cell (Grade 2): 5,100,000,000
Buff Cell (Grade 3): 5,950,000,000
Super Perfect Cell (SSJ2, 2x SSJ/5x Base): 8,500,000,000

[Bullza]

Possibly. I wasn't aware that Krillin ever wore weighted clothing but you can see him remove his undershirt. Gohan didn't remove anything so does that mean Krillin would be stronger than Gohan if it were indeed weighted clothing?

The Saibaman is at 1,200 and the Daizenshuu has Raditz at 1,500. It'd mean Krillin would be in between the two in the Saiyan Saga.

You could say the 1,770 was referring to his best move. Is that something the Daizenshuu does? If they had Gohan at 2,800 then you could say it's true but I don't know if it is or not.

The Daizenshuu 7 BP chart and the Weekly Jump scan, they took those numbers from, had Gohan at 2,800 with no clarification, that it was only, when using Masenko.

So then would you also need to take into account that Raditz' 1,500 was when he was using his best moves? Was Goku still listed at 8,000?

It'd be awkward if for some characters it takes into account them using their best moves but then not for others.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Possibly. I wasn't aware that Krillin ever wore weighted clothing but you can see him remove his undershirt. Gohan didn't remove anything so does that mean Krillin would be stronger than Gohan if it were indeed weighted clothing?

The Saibaman is at 1,200 and the Daizenshuu has Raditz at 1,500. It'd mean Krillin would be in between the two in the Saiyan Saga.

You could say the 1,770 was referring to his best move. Is that something the Daizenshuu does? If they had Gohan at 2,800 then you could say it's true but I don't know if it is or not.

The Daizenshuu 7 BP chart and the Weekly Jump scan, they took those numbers from, had Gohan at 2,800 with no clarification, that it was only, when using Masenko.

So then would you also need to take into account that Raditz' 1,500 was when he was using his best moves? Was Goku still listed at 8,000?

It'd be awkward if for some characters it takes into account them using their best moves but then not for others.

Lol @ Goku being 8,000 when Vegeta specifically says he's over 8,000.

[Bullza]

I checked. They indeed have Saibaman at 1,200 and Vegeta at 18,000, their normal power levels but then have Gohan at 2,800 which is when he does the Masenko.

For some reason Piccolo is as high as 3,500 which isn't far off Nappa even though he said he had no chance against him and that Gohan was stronger than him if he had to be.

Piccolo should be at 2,500 instead.

They don't really make much sense. At the start of Z Goku's power level was 416 and he could do Kamehameha's at over 900.

So if Goku using Kaioken x4 was at 32,000 then why is his Kamehameha not at above 70,000? The Daizenshuu shows a picture of Kaioken x4 Goku using a Kamehameha but still has that at 32,000 but then it just has a picture of Gohan and says that's 2,800 but when that was when he did a move.

If Frieza at 50% was at 60 million then why did Goku using Kaioken x20 which also put him at 60 million not kill Frieza with a Kamehameha that should have been over 100 million?

[DanielSSJ]

I checked. They indeed have Saibaman at 1,200 and Vegeta at 18,000, their normal power levels but then have Gohan at 2,800 which is when he does the Masenko.

For some reason Piccolo is as high as 3,500 which isn't far off Nappa even though he said he had no chance against him and that Gohan was stronger than him if he had to be.

Piccolo should be at 2,500 instead.

They don't really make much sense. At the start of Z Goku's power level was 416 and he could do Kamehameha's at over 900.

So if Goku using Kaioken x4 was at 32,000 then why is his Kamehameha not at above 70,000? The Daizenshuu shows a picture of Kaioken x4 Goku using a Kamehameha but still has that at 32,000 but then it just has a picture of Gohan and says that's 2,800 but when that was when he did a move.

If Frieza at 50% was at 60 million then why did Goku using Kaioken x20 which also put him at 60 million not kill Frieza with a Kamehameha that should have been over 100 million?

Same reason that a 900 something Kamehameha didn't kill a 400 something Piccolo during the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai?