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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 79

Post by Psykomatik » Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:26 am

OK, so here's what i was talking about yesterday:

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These two, too me, are looking Karasawa-esque. They are so much poured of details... But with what Ajay said yesterday about beeing no Karasawa traits, i'm worried. :cry:

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 79

Post by JazzMazz » Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:56 am

Psykomatik wrote:OK, so here's what i was talking about yesterday:

[spoiler]Image
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These two, too me, are looking Karasawa-esque. They are so much poured of details... But with what Ajay said yesterday about beeing no Karasawa traits, i'm worried. :cry:
Those shots look like they have more Shimanuki or Itai traits to them then they do Karasawa.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 79

Post by Psykomatik » Sun Mar 05, 2017 8:27 am

Oh, really? The eyebrows (please correct me if i'm wrong on an english word/sentence) looks Karasawa to me. Oh well, i believe i need to stop focusing on it...

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 79

Post by JazzMazz » Sun Mar 05, 2017 8:34 am

The shape of the eyes and nose is what made me think otherwise.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 79

Post by Amir » Sun Mar 05, 2017 8:57 am

I have no idea why people think it was worse than the last 2 episodes in terms of animation.
It was definitely better animated than episode 79. Again, the repeated frames were done well, cool hand to hand combat and fighting moves, like at the beginning when Goku and Bergamo started move in opposite directions and jump (reminds me of what Tate did in episode 38) and man that piece of animation when they were fighting and the camera started spinning around 360 degree. Really fast paced action, the bits were Bergamo went behind Goku to attack were really cool. Hell, even the zoom-out fighting had really good choreography. Hand to hand combat was definitely better than episode 79 and 80, at least at the start of the fight when Goku was at base form. The parts when Bergamo was combo kicking were great.
Art was solid and detailed as much as it should. One thing that stood out was how the hits felt very impactful and strong. (I assume Higashide was responsible for that?)

After Goku turned SSJ it wasn't as good, but not bad too, it did what it was supposed to do I guess. It wemt to a very slow pacing since Bergamo became really big and there wasn't really much going on, just Goku flying around and dodging Bergamo's slow attacks. It wasn't badly animated, but the execution was really boring. The art was still pretty good and it was overall pretty ok.

The cool parts returned when Goku transformed into SSJ Blue, the transformation was cool as fuck. I loved the lighting and shading and the finished transformation when all the blue bits of aura broke apart, it was quite original and we haven't seen SSJB transforms like that in Super. SSJ Blue Kaioken looked great with those awesome effects, just like in episode 39 and the beam struggle was just awesome. I think it was Shimanuki since he is really good at effects especially beam struggles (like in DBZ in the saiyan saga). One thing I will say is that I disliked Bergamo's beam attack, the glow didn't match the colors and the inner glow was unnecessary. It didn't look that great.

So overall a really good fight in my opinion, not just because of the animation. But it was on par with the 2 episodes before and surpassing 79.
If the quality remains like this for the average fight in Super it would be a blast.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 79

Post by emperior » Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:02 am

Psykomatik wrote:OK, so here's what i was talking about yesterday:

[spoiler]Image
Image[/spoiler]

These two, too me, are looking Karasawa-esque. They are so much poured of details... But with what Ajay said yesterday about beeing no Karasawa traits, i'm worried. :cry:
I might be totally wrong, but it looks like the same guy who made Goku Mafuuba scenes drew that.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 79

Post by dbs fanboy » Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:11 am

So i've been thinking about this for a while.
So far, we got ten weeks of filler, Karasawa's work was kinda rough in #72, and while the last three fights were good animated (well except for 81, which was ok overall with the exception of that Shimanuki shot),
it seems like they are just the opening to the big deal, i mean, we're not yet at the main meat.

What if Karasawa is working on a really, really big episode/episodes and they're trying to handle these ones without him so when he actually shows up (after having plenty of time) his work is mindblowing?

Am i dreaming too much? What do you think?
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 79

Post by Gashif Aldi » Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:31 am

emperior wrote:
Psykomatik wrote:OK, so here's what i was talking about yesterday:

[spoiler]Image
Image[/spoiler]

These two, too me, are looking Karasawa-esque. They are so much poured of details... But with what Ajay said yesterday about beeing no Karasawa traits, i'm worried. :cry:
I might be totally wrong, but it looks like the same guy who made Goku Mafuuba scenes drew that.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 79

Post by Alee9977 » Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:12 am

Psykomatik wrote:OK, so here's what i was talking about yesterday:

[spoiler]Image
Image[/spoiler]

These two, too me, are looking Karasawa-esque. They are so much poured of details... But with what Ajay said yesterday about beeing no Karasawa traits, i'm worried. :cry:
Those shots are from Itai, you can see his eyes on those, he also draws weird noses.

Look at the third image here and you will see it too.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 79

Post by FortuneSSJ » Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:03 pm

JazzMazz wrote:
FortuneSSJ wrote: Who drew this shot?
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler] It's beautiful!
That picture looks like it's a 2nd KA correction. Maybe by Yokoyama?
Judging by the staff list, I guess you're right. It looks like the presumed shots Ajay is using for Yokoyama on his animation catalogue weekly sheets.
I've been loving her style since the beginning. Much more appealing than Tsuji or Ide Takeo.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 79

Post by Alee9977 » Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:20 pm

After rewatching the ep again, It was way better than how I saw it the first time, the only bad thing was Yashima doing action scenes, and that the fight sometimes was a slow and I think it should have been faster.
The worst shot in this episode was Gohan by the final minutes of the episode, It was horrible.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 79

Post by neolux » Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:56 pm

Wasn't the scene with the rotation when Base Goku was fighting Bergamo (I think it was Higashide) not worth to be in the booru? I saw some guy uploaded it there but It was deleted but I guess it was because he didn't cut the scene correctly.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 79

Post by neolux » Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:57 pm

Alee9977 wrote:After rewatching the ep again, It was way better than how I saw it the first time, the only bad thing was Yashima doing action scenes, and that the fight sometimes was a slow and I think it should have been faster.
The worst shot in this episode was Gohan by the final minutes of the episode, It was horrible.
I stand more some Yashima shots than kitano. At least Yashima can be tolerable but Kitano... ugh, It's weird that you didn't notice the Kitano shots.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 79

Post by Alee9977 » Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:59 pm

neolux wrote:
Alee9977 wrote:After rewatching the ep again, It was way better than how I saw it the first time, the only bad thing was Yashima doing action scenes, and that the fight sometimes was a slow and I think it should have been faster.
The worst shot in this episode was Gohan by the final minutes of the episode, It was horrible.
I stand more some Yashima shots than kitano. At least Yashima can be tolerable but Kitano... ugh, It's weird that you didn't notice the Kitano shots.
Can you show me which are the Kitano shots you are talking about? I can't stand him but really I may have missed it or something, I only recognized the Yashima shots.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 79

Post by neolux » Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:14 pm

Alee9977 wrote:
neolux wrote:
Alee9977 wrote:After rewatching the ep again, It was way better than how I saw it the first time, the only bad thing was Yashima doing action scenes, and that the fight sometimes was a slow and I think it should have been faster.
The worst shot in this episode was Gohan by the final minutes of the episode, It was horrible.
I stand more some Yashima shots than kitano. At least Yashima can be tolerable but Kitano... ugh, It's weird that you didn't notice the Kitano shots.
Can you show me which are the Kitano shots you are talking about? I can't stand him but really I may have missed it or something, I only recognized the Yashima shots.
The one that stood out the most for me was this one [spoiler]Image[/spoiler] horrible...

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 79

Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:24 pm

neolux wrote:
Alee9977 wrote:
neolux wrote: I stand more some Yashima shots than kitano. At least Yashima can be tolerable but Kitano... ugh, It's weird that you didn't notice the Kitano shots.
Can you show me which are the Kitano shots you are talking about? I can't stand him but really I may have missed it or something, I only recognized the Yashima shots.
The one that stood out the most for me was this one [spoiler]Image[/spoiler] horrible...
That's still better than a lot of the other shit he's produced in the past.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 79

Post by Alee9977 » Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:25 pm

neolux wrote:
Alee9977 wrote:
neolux wrote: I stand more some Yashima shots than kitano. At least Yashima can be tolerable but Kitano... ugh, It's weird that you didn't notice the Kitano shots.
Can you show me which are the Kitano shots you are talking about? I can't stand him but really I may have missed it or something, I only recognized the Yashima shots.
The one that stood out the most for me was this one [spoiler]Image[/spoiler] horrible...
Wow, I don't remember seeing it so I clearly missed it, I can't believe how I couldn't see something like that.

EDIT: Something I was thinking recently, with this information we got about the tournament only lasting 48 minutes and it being only one battle with the 80 participants, I don't know how posible this is (most likely I will be wrong) but with the misteryous dissapearance of Karasawa, Tate not doing a lot in his last episodes, with the majority of the last episodes being outsourced, with Shida and Ken in the team (assumption), and if the tournament isn't the main topic of the arc, they could be working and/or already finishing the battle royale with all these animators and many others, I mean, that battle royale will last 3 or 4 episodes max, so if they got all this team already working on it they can give us the best tournament in the world animation wise, maybe some scenes of the OP are from the actual tournament (obviously, this is too good for Super and won't happen but hey, dreaming is free).
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 79

Post by emperior » Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:11 pm

neolux wrote:
Alee9977 wrote:
neolux wrote: I stand more some Yashima shots than kitano. At least Yashima can be tolerable but Kitano... ugh, It's weird that you didn't notice the Kitano shots.
Can you show me which are the Kitano shots you are talking about? I can't stand him but really I may have missed it or something, I only recognized the Yashima shots.
The one that stood out the most for me was this one [spoiler]Image[/spoiler] horrible...
It's in no way good but I've seen much worse art in Super, and this wasn't that recognizable. Future Trunks arc, for example, suffered from much worse art than that sometimes.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 79

Post by IGhostUlt » Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:00 pm

I think they might use cgi for the background fights of the battle royal. Almost like they did in ROF.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 79

Post by KameNinja45 » Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:04 pm

IGhostUlt wrote:I think they might use cgi for the background fights of the battle royal. Almost like they did in ROF.
They used it in the intro, so there's a good chance they'll use it in the actual tournament.

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