The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[KentalSSJ6]

I personally have False SSJ at a X25 multiplier. Isnt the form just having the need for SSJ and not the power to fully achieve it?

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

I personally have False SSJ at a X25 multiplier. Isnt the form just having the need for SSJ and not the power to fully achieve it?

I don't think Bardock had the power either, but he did it anyway in that newer special in 2011.

[TheGmGoken]

I personally have False SSJ at a X25 multiplier. Isnt the form just having the need for SSJ and not the power to fully achieve it?

I don't think Bardock had the power either, but he did it anyway in that newer special in 2011.

I think he had enough to be a WEAK SSJ.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

If Bardock actually allowed Chilled to do a transformation, how would that fight turn out? (IF he could do one...)

[KentalSSJ6]

Well we don't know if Chilled had other forms. All we know with Freeza's forms is that he himself created them because he had trouble controlling his power so its possible Chilled only had one form. But, going off the possibility he did, looking at Freeza's second form id say Chilled's strength would double. Bardock didn't seem to do anything to Chilled before SSJ but Chilled couldn't do crap to Bardock after he went SSJ. Maybe Chilled transforming would put them on equal terms or give Chilled a slight advantage?

Besides are we really to consider Episode of Bardock to be canon? I dont recall DBZ attacks being capable of time travel unless the attack came from someone along the lines of the Kaioshin and even that seems a stretch considering they would have been able to just time travel Buu to some point in the past or future.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Well we don't know if Chilled had other forms. All we know with Freeza's forms is that he himself created them because he had trouble controlling his power so its possible Chilled only had one form. But, going off the possibility he did, looking at Freeza's second form id say Chilled's strength would double. Bardock didn't seem to do anything to Chilled before SSJ but Chilled couldn't do crap to Bardock after he went SSJ. Maybe Chilled transforming would put them on equal terms or give Chilled a slight advantage?

Besides are we really to consider Episode of Bardock to be canon? I dont recall DBZ attacks being capable of time travel unless the attack came from someone along the lines of the Kaioshin and even that seems a stretch considering they would have been able to just time travel Buu to some point in the past or future.

The time travel is what confuses me. How did this happen? Someone needs to speak up about that.

[TheGmGoken]

Besides are we really to consider Episode of Bardock to be canon?

I have it as canon. Just change up some things. I would also LOVE an explanation on why Bardock went to the past though. On reason I say it's "Canon" because I think there was 2 LSSJ(Not Broly's form). The one Saiyans heard about and the one Freeza heard about.

[KentalSSJ6]

It was caused by the awe inspiring, absolutely amazing, and positively deadly power of...MERCHANDISING!

[TheGmGoken]

It was caused by the awe inspiring, absolutely amazing, and positively deadly power of...MERCHANDISING!

Indeed. Still think it's canon though.

[Son Edo]

Besides are we really to consider Episode of Bardock to be canon?

It was just a dream wasn't it, so it technically never happened anyway, it can fit anywhere in the timeline.

I've only read the manga, haven't seen the anime.

[KentalSSJ6]

I believe the Episode of Bardock was just a fanfiction that was entered in a contest where the winner would have it animated or something along those lines. I dont consider it canon considering the elements of how Bardock got to the past. Now if it was the Kaioshin that did it with the intent of using him to start the legend of the Super Saiyan, id buy it. But, seeing as its caused somehow by Freeza's attack, I cant take it seriously enough to be canon. Still a great special though.

(Fun fact, even a SSJ3 Bardock wouldn't be able to defeat Freeza.)

[Son Edo]

Forget it.

[TheGmGoken]

I believe the Episode of Bardock was just a fanfiction that was entered in a contest where the winner would have it animated or something along those lines.

(Fun fact, even a SSJ3 Bardock wouldn't be able to defeat Freeza.)

EoB was a manga before i was an animation just so you know.

Going by SSj4 being a 1000x and rounding Bardock to 10,000. 10,000,000. Damn Bardock is a weak as SSJ

Super Saiyan 4 Broly vs Super Boo

Broly easily. A better debate would be SSJ3 Broly vs Gray Boo

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

I have Bardock's base at like maybe 50,000 at an extreme. Puts him at 2,500,000 at Super Saiyan.

[Son Edo]

Super Saiyan 4 Broly vs Super Boo

Broly easily. A better debate would be SSJ3 Broly vs Gray Boo

Nah forget it, I saw a fan video and it had super saiyan 4 broly one shotting Boo.

[KentalSSJ6]

Bardock's manga PL was approaching 10k, nearly enough to rival King Vegeta. For the sake of argument well just say hes 10k. Now id say he received a Zenkai from surviving Dodoria's beatdown and surviving Freeza's attack but seeing as Zenkai's can be as small as a mere 1000 pl boost to a whopping X33 increase, its impossible to tell without a listing in a databook. So I'm just gonna say Bardock stayed at 10k during EOB.

That puts SSJ1 Bardock at 500k, 30k below Freeza's first form.

SSJ2 would be 1 million, equal to Freeza's second form.

SSJ3 would be 40 million, a full 20 million under Freeza's final form..at half power.

So yeah, Bardock doesn't have a ghost of a chance against Freeza unless he has SSJ4 and thats with the X4000 multiplier from Screwattack.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

whenever I put together power levels, it made more sense that Super Saiyan 2 was more than 2x a super saiyan. Like at least 5x. Given how during the SSJ2 Gohan vs. Cell fight, we see Cell only receiving 2 blows and hes like totally out of the fight!! And vomiting..

[KentalSSJ6]

Officially, Super Saiyan 2's multiplier is twice that of 1, so X100. SSJ3 is 4 times that of 2, so X400. After that the SSJ multipliers stop. I'm iffy on the whole X4000 for SSJ4 but it "kinda" makes sense, adding the Oozaru multiplier to SSJ3's X400.

[RandomGuy96]

I think that x40,000 makes more sense, based on the Baby fight.

[TheGmGoken]

whenever I put together power levels, it made more sense that Super Saiyan 2 was more than 2x a super saiyan. Like at least 5x. Given how during the SSJ2 Gohan vs. Cell fight, we see Cell only receiving 2 blows and hes like totally out of the fight!! And vomiting..

Gohan also had a rage boast. Hence why his power dropped by "Half" yet was still stronger than his SSJ form.

I think that x40,000 makes more sense, based on the Baby fight.

SSJ4 is what ever Toei feel like during that arc. You would think 40,000x he could pick up a building