Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[TheMikado]

I'm surprised they appeared consistent this week. If there's one single benefit to skipping over the Trunks' battle, it's for power level sake.....even if it still pisses me off they skipped over it.

Wait so people are glad they skipped the Trunks/Babidi stuff because it keeps Super consistent?

[dbzfan7]

I'm surprised they appeared consistent this week. If there's one single benefit to skipping over the Trunks' battle, it's for power level sake.....even if it still pisses me off they skipped over it.

Wait so people are glad they skipped the Trunks/Babidi stuff because it keeps Super consistent?

I'm talking strictly from episode 59, I didn't see anything I'd deem a load of crap....cept for the little glove thing. Battle power wise everything seemed consistent this week.

[TheMikado]

Well SSJ kid Trunks was weird to me because It was established that SSJ3 Gotenks can't even put a dent in Base Vegeta and Trunks is supposed to be that level if not stronger in base.

[Chiki]

How the fuck is this episode consistent if Base Trunks is god level and he took damage from a punch from SSJ Kid Trunks (he wasn't off guard since he turned SSJ and gave him plenty of time to be prepared) when Base Vegeta took no damage whatsoever from SSJ3 Gotenks who is thousands of times stronger than SSJ Kid Trunks? Base Vegeta would not have appeared that beaten up after fighting SSJ3 Gotenks, let alone SSJ Trunks.

There's nothing consistent about this episode. Use logic. Base Trunks is barely stronger than SSJ Kid Trunks.

[Saiyan007]

Future Trunks wasn't even remotely serious I don't even see the problem

Meanwhile kid trunks is huffing and puffing

[Chiki]

Future Trunks wasn't even remotely serious I don't even see the problem

Meanwhile kid trunks is huffing and puffing

What makes you say that? The fight was off panel, and Future Trunks was visibly hurt from the punch that he was well prepared to take. It was so obvious that Kid Trunks was going to attack him lol.

Vegeta wasn't serious with SSJ3 Gotenks. Remember how that turned out? No? Okay then.

[Bullza]

Base Vegeta had his "guard up" even though his arms were down. Trunks was just sitting there and got sucker punched. Think of it like the Sorbet laser scene or Chiaotsu being able to slow down Base Goku or something.

Having now looked at the raw for the episode, Super Saiyan Trunks was marked and was panting. Base Future Trunks was not panting though he was marked but like I said that was probably from the previous punch. The important thing is that Future Trunks did look too bent out of shape handling Super Saiyan Trunks which is exactly how that should be. I was really concerned that Future Trunks was going to go Super Saiyan for a moment there .

[apex_pretador]

So, we have got one solid concrete evidence for trunks's power level. His base is atleast as strong as if not stronger than SS kid trunks.

[Lionel]

Future Trunks should have had no issue in handling Kid Trunks if he's indeed the same strength in Base as Base Goku and Vegeta. SSJ3 Gotenks could do nothing to Copy-Vegeta who had the same power as the original. If he's that strong then blowing Kid Trunks away with a wave of his arm should be doable.

I have to say I disagree with the placement of Piccolo for reasons I've mentioned in the past. It just doesn't make sense for him to be lower than Base Goku and Vegeta when the latter apparently felt it necessary to multiply his power by 50x in order to deal with Frost.

[ekrolo2]

Future Trunks should have had no issue in handling Kid Trunks if he's indeed the same strength in Base as Base Goku and Vegeta. SSJ3 Gotenks could do nothing to Copy-Vegeta who had the same power as the original. If he's that strong then blowing Kid Trunks away with a wave of his arm should be doable.

I have to say I disagree with the placement of Piccolo for reasons I've mentioned in the past. It just doesn't make sense for him to be lower than Base Goku and Vegeta when the latter apparently felt it necessary to multiply his power by 50x in order to deal with Frost.

For the manga, Vegeta even said he went easy on Frost to avoid killing him, meaning to go easy on the guy, he needed to use Super Saiyan implying fighting him in Base would have been quite difficult for him to do. This is a Frost who's also just been beaten up by Goku and lost a considerable amount of power taking on Piccolo.

[Khin]

I haven't watch the episode yet, but I'm pretty sure Future Trunks was just holding back against the other Trunks. From what we've seen, Future Trunks isn't the type of guy that would use his full power in a friendly match especially if he can deal major damage to his opponent. He held back against Goku when they first spar after he defeated Freeza and Cold, and he also held back against SS2 Goku in episode 49 and only went all out when Goku turned Super Saiyan 3. I don't see any reason why he would stomp Present Trunks and make him look like an idiot.

[buutenks]

Base Trunks is way stronger than ssj kid Trunks. kid Trunks did zero damage to future Trunks. The bruises(or dirt) on his cheeks were there prior to being punched by kid Trunks. At the conclusion of the fight, we see kid Trunks all dirty and bruised, while future Trunks is unharmed. Kid Trunks looks exhausted, while future Trunks looks like he didnt use any stamina at all.

The way i see it now is like this:

ssj3 Goku>FPssj2 Trunks>ssj2 Goku>ssj2 Trunks>ssj1 Goku>ssj1 Trunks>Base Goku>Base Trunks.

Now where ssg lies? No idea, either ssg is equal to ssj1, meaning Trunks is god level or, ssg is above all ssj forms, except ss blue, meaning Trunks is super strong but not at ssg level. But tbh, with the new episode, i am willing to go with he is ssg level, since seems Beerus is still in a league of his own, and making characters weaker than a form many arcs back seems a bit stupid, especially since DBZ each new arc, most main characters far surpassed the previous PLs.

So while manga Trunks isnt ssg level, anime simply is and so is Magetta.

Edit: And to think, i used to believe Hit could have stood a chance against Champa, lol, no freaking way.

[Bullza]

For now I'm going with the original belief that their Base forms (at least for Goku and Vegeta) are now as strong as SSJG. Before I said Super Saiyan was equal to Super Saiyan God because they said it wasn't weaker but now I think him turning into Base form at the end and then destroying that blast along with the things that were said and shown afterward now takes me full circle, back to what we first thought when Resurrection F came out.

As for Piccolo though it doesn't make any sense for him to be that strong. Buu was Goku's obvious first choice and then he "supposed" Piccolo. Buu should be stronger than Piccolo. Piccolo was shown to be equal to Base Gohan who was training in an attempt to regain his former powers.

This was all just 3-4 days before the tournament so how could Piccolo have grown that strong? He couldn't spar with Gohan anymore because he was busy and he didn't go into the ROSAT to train with Goku and Vegeta because he said he couldn't keep up. If he were God tier then that would be a very odd thing for him to say considering how fast his power had grown in such a small amount of time and he would have no problems keeping up with Base Goku and Vegeta.

[Chiki]

If Trunks was that much stronger than SS Kid Trunks, Kid Trunks would have been less than an insect to him, given that SS3 Gotenks was an insect to Base Copy Vegeta and SS Kid Trunks is thousands of times weaker than SS3 Gotenks.. a punch like that wouldn't have even been noticed by him.

[Hugo Boss]

Big Trunks' fighting spirit was very low. It doesn't take too much to knock him down in that condition. Kid Trunks was trying to retrieve that spirit, so he used his combat mode to accomplish it.

[Bullza]

It's not really much different from Krillin being able to hurt Super Saiyan Goku by throwing a rock at him.

[ekrolo2]

This was all just 3-4 days before the tournament so how could Piccolo have grown that strong? He couldn't spar with Gohan anymore because he was busy and he didn't go into the ROSAT to train with Goku and Vegeta because he said he couldn't keep up. If he were God tier then that would be a very odd thing for him to say considering how fast his power had grown in such a small amount of time and he would have no problems keeping up with Base Goku and Vegeta.

Piccolo is much less of an issue for the manga, at least. There, with SSG being a separate form, him still being stronger than them in Base makes a lot more sense. The fact Vegeta transforms to beat up a pretty worn out Frost so he can "go easy on him" definitely pushes things in the Piccolo > Base Saiyan's direction.

[Bullza]

Maybe Vegeta didn't need to transform into a Super Saiyan to win but did so to teach him a lesson. He did knock him out with one punch while holding back.

Piccolo can't be that strong. What was presented in the story should override the details of the fight. He was weaker than Buu. Base Goku was much stronger than Buu. How in three or four days is Piccolo going to surpass Base Goku while hes doing three years of training with a sparring partner?

Nobody said he'd powered up or anything. He should still be weaker than Buu even now. The only thing that's God tier about Piccolo was his special beam cannon which they even said went beyond his normal limits.

[ekrolo2]

Maybe Vegeta didn't need to transform into a Super Saiyan to win but did so to teach him a lesson. He did knock him out with one punch while holding back.

Piccolo can't be that strong. What was presented in the story should override the details of the fight. He was weaker than Buu. Base Goku was much stronger than Buu. How in three or four days is Piccolo going to surpass Base Goku while hes doing three years of training with a sparring partner?

Nobody said he'd powered up or anything. He should still be weaker than Buu even now. The only thing that's God tier about Piccolo was his special beam cannon which they even said went beyond his normal limits.

He needed to use SS to "go easy on Frost" after Piccolo and Goku both seriously tire him out. Plus, the manga Goku makes no qualms about suggesting Piccolo for the tournament along with Boo whereas the anime goes out of its way to make Piccolo basically a replacement for Gohan after he can't come in.

This is of course for the manga where I don't think Base Goku & Vegeta are much stronger than their SS selves when the Android Arc starts AKA when they fight 19 and 20.
The anime, as usual, treats Piccolo like worthless fodder then makes him the third strongest member of the team without any reasonable explanation.

[brett wheeler]

well everything still makes sense to my previous statement. goku/vegeta/trunks are around buuhan-ssj vegito tier in base. We know that ssj kid trunks before should be stronger than base goku/vegeta even in the buu and bog saga sense gohan who was only around 30% weaker had trouble with ssj goten who couldnt fly and trunks is a little stronger than him ( and kid trunks ssj managed to hit ssj vegeta even holding back thats impressive ). With all the new scenes it seems kid trunks sucker punched future base trunks and they proceeded to fight ( off camera ) at the end of it base trunks ( who showed no signs of caring about the fight ) only injuries was from the previous fight and from the sucker punch while ssj kid trunks was worn out and scuffed up pretty good. This points at them all being well above what they previously where but below ssg, because if base trunks was ssg tier than even that sucker punch would have been nothing but a small inconvenient thing instead of knocking him on his ass.