Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by kinisking » Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:56 pm

Ajay wrote:
Sodhi wrote:Kitano just sucks. I don't think it's a time thing anymore. He needs corrections rather than doing corrections, seriously.
Yeah, pretty much.

He certainly does get thrown under the bus a little, but even so, his output isn't very good.

Looking at some of his work on Disk Wars, you can still see the square heads and bottom-heavy proportions that plague his work on Super. He doesn't seem to have the animation skills to back it up, either.
He seems to get corrected all the time so it's like they know he sucks, but he still has a supervisor position.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:13 pm

kinisking wrote:
Ajay wrote:
Sodhi wrote:Kitano just sucks. I don't think it's a time thing anymore. He needs corrections rather than doing corrections, seriously.
Yeah, pretty much.

He certainly does get thrown under the bus a little, but even so, his output isn't very good.

Looking at some of his work on Disk Wars, you can still see the square heads and bottom-heavy proportions that plague his work on Super. He doesn't seem to have the animation skills to back it up, either.
He seems to get corrected all the time so it's like they know he sucks, but he still has a supervisor position.
I still don't get why he has a position as supervisor. I've been willing to give Kitano the benefit of the doubt, but even with extra time his contributions are just not good. Serviceable? Maybe.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by aaronWgamer » Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:15 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:I still don't get why he has a position as supervisor. I've been willing to give Kitano the benefit of the doubt, but even with extra time his contributions are just not good. Serviceable? Maybe.
Maybe it's another case of Yamamuro: I shouldn't be here but I know people.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by Doctor. » Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:18 pm

There's probably nobody better who's willing to take on the job.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by neolux » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:02 pm

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Lord Beerus wrote:I still don't get why he has a position as supervisor. I've been willing to give Kitano the benefit of the doubt, but even with extra time his contributions are just not good. Serviceable? Maybe.
Maybe it's another case of Yamamuro: I shouldn't be here but I know people.
My theory is that he's a good friend to Yamamuro haha or something like that :D :lol:

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by ArchedThunder » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:10 pm

Super can't really afford to lose any staff, regardless of how good they are. One reason he's likely kept is because he's willing to work on episodes in just 4 or 5 weeks.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by Gashif Aldi » Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:08 am

ArchedThunder wrote:Super can't really afford to lose any staff, regardless of how good they are. One reason he's likely kept is because he's willing to work on episodes in just 4 or 5 weeks.
Well, I'm okay if Kitano is replaced by Yammamuro. It's better, I would rather see Yammamuro's design than Kitano's in the current shedule.

But, he has worked on SAO Season 2 and he is the top Key animator in the episode.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by JazzMazz » Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:57 am

After going through episode #79, I've successfully found a scene that Tai'ichirou Ohara, an animator I've been obsessed with as of late, definitely worked on.
Here's a crappy Webm a made of the scene.
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The main thing that gave it away for me would definitely be the smoke and debris effects, which are pretty much 1:1 with his Z work.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:38 am

Gashif Aldi wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote:Super can't really afford to lose any staff, regardless of how good they are. One reason he's likely kept is because he's willing to work on episodes in just 4 or 5 weeks.
Well, I'm okay if Kitano is replaced by Yammamuro. It's better, I would rather see Yammamuro's design than Kitano's in the current shedule.

But, he has worked on SAO Season 2 and he is the top Key animator in the episode.
If Yamamuro was a regular I think he would have improved a lot by now as opossed to the slow improvement he's shown. That's most frustrating thing regarding him, as Ajay pointed out some of the designs are recycled and he didn't even design Vegetto Blue so what the heck is he doing that's keeping him away from working on Super?

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by Alee9977 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:24 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
Gashif Aldi wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote:Super can't really afford to lose any staff, regardless of how good they are. One reason he's likely kept is because he's willing to work on episodes in just 4 or 5 weeks.
Well, I'm okay if Kitano is replaced by Yammamuro. It's better, I would rather see Yammamuro's design than Kitano's in the current shedule.

But, he has worked on SAO Season 2 and he is the top Key animator in the episode.
If Yamamuro was a regular I think he would have improved a lot by now as opossed to the slow improvement he's shown. That's most frustrating thing regarding him, as Ajay pointed out some of the designs are recycled and he didn't even design Vegetto Blue so what the heck is he doing that's keeping him away from working on Super?
Yeah I agree, just like Shimanuki, if he worked more usually in Super instead of doing only promo art or characters designs he may have improved.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by FortuneSSJ » Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:47 pm

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2 ... -2/.113258

Just like I thought, One Piece filler arcs are never big. Bad for their pacing, good for us.
The filler arc will end on April 2. There's no OP episode this week either and considering OP has a much better schedule than us, most episodes (if not all) may already be finished.

Nothing to worry about Nagamine's involvement for now.
After Universe Survival arc ends, yeah we may get a new director. Everyone wants to get a taste of Super. :lol:
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by SansrivaaL » Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:34 pm

I really miss Yamamuro's work, he was one of the best when it comes to the animation and fight choreography.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by Araki » Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:07 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:Nothing to worry about Nagamine's involvement for now.
Nagamine directed only one episode out of those three, instead of being one of the "filler's head directors" that some people assumed. So yeah, just a side job.
And speaking of One Piece's schedule, i would just like to add that, like in Super, we can often spot differences and additions between NEPs and the broadcast episodes.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by Sodhi » Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:17 pm

Yea, unless there is an keyframe or an animation change. Small effect changes in the episode from the NEP really don't mean much.In terms of schedule.

Edit: As for Nagamine. That is good news. Him working on other projects more than an episode or so would not have made sense anyways
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by emperior » Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:20 pm

SansrivaaL wrote:I really miss Yamamuro's work, he was one of the best when it comes to the animation and fight choreography.
Same here, and he is obviously as in-model as possible, everything he did for Super looks very polished. As I said already a few times, I would like for him to be a regular, I would also be completely fine if he only popped up in important episodes.
Hopefully he will be animating some of the tournament fights.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:30 pm

emperior wrote:
SansrivaaL wrote:I really miss Yamamuro's work, he was one of the best when it comes to the animation and fight choreography.
Same here, and he is obviously as in-model as possible, everything he did for Super looks very polished. As I said already a few times, I would like for him to be a regular, I would also be completely fine if he only popped up in important episodes.
Hopefully he will be animating some of the tournament fights.
Eh. Yamamuro's work is serviceable, but nothing to write home about. We've seen much better from several other animators in Super so far. With Tate, Shida and Higashide being the standout contributors. I will say this: Yamamuro's major absence in Super will remain one of the great mysteries in all of Dragon Ball in the production side of things.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by Sodhi » Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:34 pm

I personally think yamamuro would work best with kitano. Yamamuro has only worked with him so far, and probably for a good reason.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by Psykomatik » Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:43 pm

Funny how i was so sure about Kitano's style back in march 2016:
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=32434&p=1056892#p1056892

Thought Yamamuro was a good friend of him, because he always worked with him. As of today, i just think he was there to prevent another episode 5...

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by FortuneSSJ » Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:05 pm

Psykomatik wrote:Funny how i was so sure about Kitano's style back in march 2016:
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=32434&p=1056892#p1056892
Yeah, but entrust to him the future of Dragon Ball like you said back then is too much.
Doesn't matter if he's Yamamuro's friend, Yamamuro took the spot after Nakatsuru because he's good.

Kitano simply isn't, it seems, and that's why they are just treating him as cannon fodder for the other animation supervisors to deliver good stuff. It's sad but sacrifices must be done and Toei know that.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by Ajay » Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:14 pm

Just to clear up any confusion about Nagamine's involvement in this One Piece business since I did a horrendous job of reporting on it when it first broke. I should have waited for all of the information, really. Lesson learned.

Satoshi Ito is the main director. He's directing and storyboarding the first and last episode of this mini arc (#780 & #782).

However, Nagamine is essentially the chief director of the mini-arc. The producer's comment reads, "All these young staff are supported by Nagamine, the director of Film Z."

He's pretty much playing mini-series director for this short story, so it's a little more significant than I initially thought.

It won't necessarily affect Super much, but he's doing a little more than just popping across for an episode!
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