"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Theophrastus]

Similar experience when I went to Japan in April, soon after the volume came out. I had no idea it was so popular, I just assumed I would come across it and buy it whenever, but then I found it was sold out everywhere I checked! Never managed to find it in Japan, so bought it from a local Kinokuniya after returning home. I hope volume 2 will have more copies printed to keep up with demand.

Damn, I didn't think demand for the manga was so big but I guess a lot of people are either really liking it or the anime is doing its job pretty well.

It's not like it's selling crazy amounts. From what I read they just thought it was going to sell way less and so they barely made any copies.

Yeah, to put some actual numbers to it: Super volume 1 sold 30,361 copies before proceeding to completely drop off the sales charts. Now, just looking at the number itself out of context, that's...okay. Not great, certainly, but not awful compared to lots of other stuff that gets published.

The crazy thing is that that's actually really good for a modern Dragon Ball manga release. Any given volume of the Full Colors (and the other various spin-offs) generally failed to even make the Oricon top 50 for the first week of their release (when the majority of sales happen), with the cutoff generally being somewhere around 16,000 copies. So with Super, Shueisha most likely went in expecting it to sell comparably to all the other Dragon Ball stuff they've put out in the past decade...and then got caught with their pants down when it seemingly sold through its entire first print run in about a week.

[kinisking]

Damn, I didn't think demand for the manga was so big but I guess a lot of people are either really liking it or the anime is doing its job pretty well.

It's not like it's selling crazy amounts. From what I read they just thought it was going to sell way less and so they barely made any copies.

Yeah, to put some actual numbers to it: Super volume 1 sold 30,361 copies before proceeding to completely drop off the sales charts. Now, just looking at the number itself out of context, that's...okay. Not great, certainly, but not awful compared to lots of other stuff that gets published.

The crazy thing is that that's actually really good for a modern Dragon Ball manga release. Any given volume of the Full Colors (and the other various spin-offs) generally failed to even make the Oricon top 50 for the first week of their release (when the majority of sales happen), with the cutoff generally being somewhere around 16,000 copies. So with Super, Shueisha most likely went in expecting it to sell comparably to all the other Dragon Ball stuff they've put out in the past decade...and then got caught with their pants down when it seemingly sold through its entire first print run in about a week.

It makes sense, for once we're getting an actual continuation now.

[jplaya2023]

It's weird i have not seen any manga scanlations yet. This was a pretty good chapter, i wish they pick up the pace though.

[Noah]

Yeah, to put some actual numbers to it: Super volume 1 sold 30,361 copies before proceeding to completely drop off the sales charts. Now, just looking at the number itself out of context, that's...okay. Not great, certainly, but not awful compared to lots of other stuff that gets published.

I think the core reason is because Super manga is only made to promote the anime, it's not a new weekly Dragon Ball manga drawn by Toriyama Akira that is being adapted to a anime, so there's nothing to be worried about these numbers

[Legion]

Guys, but the chapter in english?

[emperior]

What if the manga became weekly with the anime based on it? Would this be possible in the future?

[ekrolo2]

What if the manga became weekly with the anime based on it? Would this be possible in the future?

Highly unlikely. The anime would have to go on hiatus for a few months while the manga, assuming it got a weekly release, racked up enough chapters for the anime to adapt from which would still open us up to the possibility of frequent filler arcs to let the manga go ahead. As much as this hiatus and basing it off of Toyotaro's version would greatly improve the anime writing and animation wise, it's just not viable. At absolute, we might see the manga get a more frequent release schedule but even that's a stretch.

[emperior]

What if the manga became weekly with the anime based on it? Would this be possible in the future?

Highly unlikely. The anime would have to go on hiatus for a few months while the manga, assuming it got a weekly release, racked up enough chapters for the anime to adapt from which would still open us up to the possibility of frequent filler arcs to let the manga go ahead. As much as this hiatus and basing it off of Toyotaro's version would greatly improve the anime writing and animation wise, it's just not viable. At absolute, we might see the manga get a more frequent release schedule but even that's a stretch.

But what if Toyotaro hands Toei his rough work for them to animate? Toei would already know how the story goes so it wouldn't be like in DBZ days I think

[dbgtFO]

What if the manga became weekly with the anime based on it? Would this be possible in the future?

Highly unlikely. The anime would have to go on hiatus for a few months while the manga, assuming it got a weekly release, racked up enough chapters for the anime to adapt from which would still open us up to the possibility of frequent filler arcs to let the manga go ahead. As much as this hiatus and basing it off of Toyotaro's version would greatly improve the anime writing and animation wise, it's just not viable. At absolute, we might see the manga get a more frequent release schedule but even that's a stretch.

It does seem strange though, that Toyotaro claims he will surpass the anime soon. It doesn't really make sense that we'll have so many fillers, that the manga will be capable of catching up or surpassing it, because at the rate he's telling the current arc, it seems like there is at least 3 chapters more. Even if he manages to condense the rest of the arc into 3 chapters, the first chapter of the new arc will first be in the latter half of February, which seems to be cutting it a bit close to the anime and at most with this setup, he'll only make the first chapter before the anime surpasses him.
But of course the Arc has yet to end in the anime and perhaps then there'll be a bit of slice of life, before a mini-arc will air and then the new major arc will finally air in the new year. It will be interesting to see just how big the slice of life and mini-arc are going to be. Perhaps they are starting to segue Toriyama out, bit by bit, with these mini-arcs, until Toriyama eventually calls it quits and then it will be all Toei/DB Room from then on.

[ekrolo2]

It does seem strange though, that Toyotaro claims he will surpass the anime soon. It doesn't really make sense that we'll have so many fillers, that the manga will be capable of catching up or surpassing it, because at the rate he's telling the current arc, it seems like there is at least 3 chapters more. Even if he manages to condense the rest of the arc into 3 chapters, the first chapter of the new arc will first be in the latter half of February, which seems to be cutting it a bit close to the anime and at most with this setup, he'll only make the first chapter before the anime surpasses him.
But of course the Arc has yet to end in the anime and perhaps then there'll be a bit of slice of life, before a mini-arc will air and then the new major arc will finally air in the new year. It will be interesting to see just how big the slice of life and mini-arc are going to be. Perhaps they are starting to segue Toriyama out, bit by bit, with these mini-arcs, until Toriyama eventually calls it quits and then it will be all Toei/DB Room from then on.

I wouldn't be surprised if we had more or longer filler sections in-between every arc now. Nor am I surprised by Toyotaro possibly catching up to the anime within 3-5 chapters, there's a lot of padding going on in the anime. He'll probably just remove the second trip entirely and combine various elements of it with the first and second. Most likely scenario is that Goku, Vegeta and Trunks will go into the future and while they're getting their asses kicked the first time, Zamasu & Black will info dump them and then the present day people will fuck off to the past for the Mafuba stuff (assuming that's in there) before coming back.

But what if Toyotaro hands Toei his rough work for them to animate? Toei would already know how the story goes so it wouldn't be like in DBZ days I think

They'd still have to delay it for a few months at bare minimum to give Toyotaro the time to actually make his version exist, even with a weekly schedule. And they won't do that because Super is meant to constantly remain on the air, even if a hiatus would greatly help their writers & animators get some breathing room and create a better series overall.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

What if the manga became weekly with the anime based on it? Would this be possible in the future?

Highly unlikely. The anime would have to go on hiatus for a few months while the manga, assuming it got a weekly release, racked up enough chapters for the anime to adapt from which would still open us up to the possibility of frequent filler arcs to let the manga go ahead. As much as this hiatus and basing it off of Toyotaro's version would greatly improve the anime writing and animation wise, it's just not viable. At absolute, we might see the manga get a more frequent release schedule but even that's a stretch.

Why would it have to go on a hiatus? They can just add filler, like they've already done.

[ekrolo2]

What if the manga became weekly with the anime based on it? Would this be possible in the future?

Highly unlikely. The anime would have to go on hiatus for a few months while the manga, assuming it got a weekly release, racked up enough chapters for the anime to adapt from which would still open us up to the possibility of frequent filler arcs to let the manga go ahead. As much as this hiatus and basing it off of Toyotaro's version would greatly improve the anime writing and animation wise, it's just not viable. At absolute, we might see the manga get a more frequent release schedule but even that's a stretch.

Why would it have to go on a hiatus? They can just add filler, like they've already done.

Sure, if they want to do a whole year of nothing but filler, then it can work.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Super anime is the main product still, so I doubt the anime will be holding off of the new arc so Toyo can catch up, (I would prefer it if they did but in an ideal world but 3 episodes is enough for a Toei filler arc as evidence pre-Trunks!). My guess is that as mentioned above by Kro, Toyo will shorten the trips either down to two or not have them go back at all, cut all the BS from the anime just get the meaty stuff done and then like before he'll jump ahead to the new arc. With the arc being announced so soon as next month, it pretty much means the anime will start it in January, doubt they'd announce it so soon if it wasn't going to start next month.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Whether we get "filler" or not may depend entirely on Toriyama. We obviously have no word yet this time on what the next arc will be, or when his "script" for it was actually started and finished. And that's only half of the foundation that needs to be set. If his next arc is something massive in terms of characters (for example, like Zeno's tournament would presumably be with all the gods and fighters that should be attending), he may need more time to finish the designs for all of them.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Highly unlikely. The anime would have to go on hiatus for a few months while the manga, assuming it got a weekly release, racked up enough chapters for the anime to adapt from which would still open us up to the possibility of frequent filler arcs to let the manga go ahead. As much as this hiatus and basing it off of Toyotaro's version would greatly improve the anime writing and animation wise, it's just not viable. At absolute, we might see the manga get a more frequent release schedule but even that's a stretch.

Why would it have to go on a hiatus? They can just add filler, like they've already done.

Sure, if they want to do a whole year of nothing but filler, then it can work.

They could spend the first half of the year with a Toei arc, and then the other half of the year with a Toriyama arc. They did that with Naruto & Bleach for years. Naruto even had only filler episodes for 2 years!

[Noah]

They did that with Naruto & Bleach for years. Naruto even had only filler episodes for 2 years!

And you say that as it was a good thing

[ekrolo2]

They did that with Naruto & Bleach for years. Naruto even had only filler episodes for 2 years!

And you say that as it was a good thing

Yeah, isn't that one of the more notorious examples of filler? One that didn't even pay off since that Boruto manga is STILL just copying the movie and not in new material territory

[DBZGTKOSDH]

They did that with Naruto & Bleach for years. Naruto even had only filler episodes for 2 years!

And you say that as it was a good thing

God no! Just pointing out the possibilities. Maybe they will take that route, and that's how the manga will soon catch up with & stay ahead of the anime without becoming weekly.

[sangofe]

http://www.db-z.com/tome-1-dragon-ball- ... vril-2017/

Volume 1 of the manga's getting released 5th of April in France.

[FortuneSSJ]

-Chapter 17-

Cool chapter.

Tired of Toyotaro throwbacks, once again. The first page with Barbarian and the fish is just like Goku in the first chapter.

The bit about the Universe 12 guy from an advanced civilization, who created the first parallel world is interesting for worldbuilding, but when you think about that it may not be a good idea to say that.

Judging by the 4 Time Rings used there are 4 parallel worlds, which by that logic could be:
1 - Guy from Universe 12
2 - Cell from Universe 7
3 - FT Trunks from Universe 7
4 - Goku Black/Zamasu from Universe 10

I can understand it would work like this for the Kaioshins to be aware of what's happening in other universes and warn each other, but this may become a total mess.

Let's suppose 2 guys from each Universe create a parallel world each one. 2x12=24

There would appear 24 Time Rings used in every Kaioshin Realm?! Not a good idea. The Kaioshins should only be aware of the parallel worlds created in the Universe they are assigned to. I'm glad Toei was more vague about that. Let Zeno and his fellows look over everything.

Loved the video game karts scene. So awesome!! This is probably my favourite character interaction scene since DB returned.
I hope Toei takes this idea and use it later, because this is too perfect and a breath of fresh air.
I'm tired of the anime food scenes. Now we even have a ending about food, eh...Toei needs to calm down!

While I prefer the depressed FT Trunks in the anime, I can understand Toyotaro approach since things are slightly different in the manga.
In the anime, FT Bulma dies when the arc starts and FT Trunks assumes FT Mai died too.

However in the manga FT Bulma was already dead and we don't know if it was recently, since FT Trunks has been fighting against Goku Black for some time now.
There's still FT Mai which FT Trunks assumes she just died, but it's up to each party how much emphasis they will put in their love.

For example, the anime scene where FT Trunks gives FT Mai through mouth contact is obviously 100% Toei, in order to let the shippers go wild.
No way Toriyama would ever draw something like that. And I doubt Toyotaro will draw a scene like that too.

In the end FT Trunks is just buying time until they have enough fuel to time travel, so I don't think it's a big deal the others trying to cheer him up.

Dragon Ball AF reference with Pilaf name was smooth, by the way.

The training with Vegeta in the gravity room was cool to see. I just assumed they trained more offscreen in the anime, besides that beatdown.
Wise choice of not showing the gravity number they are in. When it comes to this fanbase, you must be extra careful with these numbers.

How they watch Kamitube in the manga is much better than in the anime. Makes it more special and godly have a magical sphere and a type machine, than what seems to be a random old TV. I have to say I'm surprised the term "Kamitube" is a thing in the manga, either Toyotaro loved that one or the joke comes from Toriyama himself.

Maybe this is what Toyotaro meant in his last interview, when he said Toriyama is actually more particular about the gags and the comedic moments.

So far the anime is handling Zamasu's character much better, but it's interesting to see other take on it. Until proven otherwhise, I will assume that's exacly how the other Zamasu/Goku Black in the anime find out about Goku. I'm pleased to know Kibitoshin diffusion served a purpose, after all. I'm much less salty about that one now.

I don't like how Toyotaro makes Zamasu emo in some panels though.

Beerus, the God of Creation, spitting out his beer all over the Kaioshin, the God of Creation, was hilarious.
But Toei also did it great, with Beerus bowing down and breaking the table.
Can't decide which one I liked the most, so 10 points for both.

Curious to see how the rest will unfold in the manga. Pretty sure there won't be more than 2 time travels.