Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

So it might be too early to say but if you've seen the spoilers about Black already...

[spoiler]If Zamasu stole Goku's body then does that mean it'd be a Goku many years down the line if that's why his Base form is as strong as it is?[/spoiler]

[spoiler]It's impossible to say. Although, he does raises question if Super Saiyan Rose is really a Black exclusive transformation. I doubt Zamasu could chose the color of his Super Saiyan form like Freeza did for his golden form.[/spoiler]

[Bullza]

[spoiler]I would guess that the colour being warped compared to Goku's was probably something influenced by Zamasu in some way because it's not just Super Saiyan Rose that's a different colour, his Kamehameha is a different colour aswell.

It might just be a way of having more of a visual difference between them.

Then there's that he keeps powering up whenever he's beaten which could mean that Zamasu didn't steal a Future Goku's body but a Present Goku's body and it just powers up differently for some reason.

It's like a different form of zenkai boost in a way but its not how it works for the others.[/spoiler]

[HeroR]

[spoiler]I would guess that the colour being warped compared to Goku's was probably something influenced by Zamasu in some way because it's not just Super Saiyan Rose that's a different colour, his Kamehameha is a different colour aswell.

It might just be a way of having more of a visual difference between them.

Then there's that he keeps powering up whenever he's beaten which could mean that Zamasu didn't steal a Future Goku's body but a Present Goku's body and it just powers up differently for some reason.

It's like a different form of zenkai boost in a way but its not how it works for the others.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]The Kamehameha being a different color isn't commented in-universe, so it's most likely just a visual cue. It's just called a Kamehameha by Goku. Super Saiyan Rose is a completely different color and people commented on it, and Black even names it.

It isn't a 'zenkai', hate that term btw, since that only happens when a Saiyan is near death, not when they get randomly injured. Plus, Saiyans stopped getting noticeably power boosts in that manner after the Freeza Saga. Gohan got the crap beating out of him by Super Buu and didn't get a power raise after Denda healed him. The same with Future Gohan and Trunks with the androids. If anything, it seems to be an extreme version of Goku's adaption ability, which is how he absorbed godhood.[/spoiler]

[Bullza]

[spoiler]You never know. Black's aura is also a different colour because it's black with some purple and Zamasu's aura was purple and they commented on him having similar Ki.

Black doesn't just have Goku's Ki after all, it is different and it also isn't the same as Zamasu's so if it's some combination of both then that could be why.

When Black turned into Rose form he said he'd made Goku's power his own so it couldn't be another version of Super Saiyan that Goku doesn't have.

Black getting stronger by being beaten, I don't know about that, I don't think it's got to do with the zenkai because that'd make it inconsistent with everyone else but we'll probably find out soon enough.[/spoiler]

[HeroR]

[spoiler]You never know. Black's aura is also a different colour because it's black with some purple and Zamasu's aura was purple and they commented on him having similar Ki.

Black doesn't just have Goku's Ki after all, it is different and it also isn't the same as Zamasu's so if it's some combination of both then that could be why.

When Black turned into Rose form he said he'd made Goku's power his own so it couldn't be another version of Super Saiyan that Goku doesn't have.

Black getting stronger by being beaten, I don't know about that, I don't think it's got to do with the zenkai because that'd make it inconsistent with everyone else but we'll probably find out soon enough.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]It isn't just his aura, his entire form is different. And just having Zamasu's ki shouldn't mutate Super Saiyan like that. I mean, if that was the case, all Saiyans should have different color transformations since no Saiyans has the same ki. Also, it could be a form of Super Saiyan Goku gets in the future, since we don't even know when he got the body. It's like if Cell Games Goku fought a version of himself from the Buu Saga with Super Saiyan 3.

We know that Black gets from fighting. Trunks said it, Black said it, Zamasu said it, Goku and Vegeta took note of it. We just don't know how.[/spoiler]

[Bullza]

[spoiler]But we know for a fact that Black doesn't just have Goku's Ki. That's why Beerus and Whis went to seek out Zamasu and they said his Ki was similar but not the same. So Zamasu must have mutated his Ki somehow.

Being as how Zamasu is a God and has God Ki then that could be why Black has his own version of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan because Black's Super Saiyan is combining with Zamasu's God Ki instead of Super Saiyan God's God Ki.[/spoiler]

[HeroR]

[spoiler]But we know for a fact that Black doesn't just have Goku's Ki. That's why Beerus and Whis went to seek out Zamasu and they said his Ki was similar but not the same. So Zamasu must have mutated his Ki somehow.

Being as how Zamasu is a God and has God Ki then that could be why Black has his own version of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan because Black's Super Saiyan is combining with Zamasu's God Ki instead of Super Saiyan God's God Ki.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Having someone else's ki never altered a transformation, just as different Super Saiyans don't have multi-color hair. It isn't mutated, it's just mixed in with Goku's ki.

Why would Zamasu's ki turn Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan (if that is what Rose is) pink? Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is just Super Saiyan mixed with god ki, so the hair color should be the same.[/spoiler]

[Bullza]

[spoiler]Well I dunno, why is his Kamehameha rose coloured? It's still just a Kamehameha. If that's changed from blue to pink somehow then I don't see why his hair can't change from blue to pink also.

Whatever difference is making Blacks Ki different from Goku's is probably what's making the colour different.[/spoiler]

[HeroR]

[spoiler]Well I dunno, why is his Kamehameha rose coloured? It's still just a Kamehameha. If that's changed from blue to pink somehow then I don't see why his hair can't change from blue to pink also.

Whatever difference is making Blacks Ki different from Goku's is probably what's making the colour different.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Why is Buu's Kamehameha pink? Why is the 10X Kamehameha red? In this case, Toei could have easily decided to make Black's Kamehameha black and pink to make it different, especially since no one comments on the power in-universe. Super Saiyan Rose is nothing like a different color Kamehameha.[/spoiler]

[Bullza]

That could easily just be as true for Super Saiyan Rose. From the Gi to the Kamehameha to the aura to the form, it could all just be a way of making it be visually different from Goku which would just be boring otherwise.

They would have to comment on Super Saiyan Rose being a different colour because if that's his Super Saiyan Blue...well it ain't blue. Had the form stuck with the Super Saiyan God Super name then it might not have been pointed out.

It could be it's own form but I think it's more likely to say that it's just a different coloured Super Saiyan Blue because of reasons. Black doesn't seem that much stronger to me, he seems to get the upper hand from catching them off guard.

[HeroR]

That could easily just be as true for Super Saiyan Rose. From the Gi to the Kamehameha to the aura to the form, it could all just be a way of making it be visually different from Goku which would just be boring otherwise.

They would have to comment on Super Saiyan Rose being a different colour because if that's his Super Saiyan Blue...well it ain't blue. Had the form stuck with the Super Saiyan God Super name then it might not have been pointed out.

It could be it's own form but I think it's more likely to say that it's just a different coloured Super Saiyan Blue because of reasons. Black doesn't seem that much stronger to me, he seems to get the upper hand from catching them off guard.

They wouldn't create a new Super Saiyan form and give it a different name just to be visually different. Otherwise, Cabba's Super Saiyan form would have been different since he's a Saiyan from a different universe who had a different evolution chain from U7 Saiyans.

And we know Black sandbags, otherwise given his performance against Future Trunks in Episode 48, he wasn't much stronger than Super Saiyan Trunks. Or how Black held back against Goku during their first fight and the only reason we know Black was up to par with Super Saiyan 3 Goku at his best is because Trunks told Goku, otherwise Black was only a little stronger than Super Saiyan 2 given his performance.

[Bullza]

It should only be the new in the sense it's a different colour from Goku's Super Saiyan Blue so they'd have no choice but to give it a different name. It should still be Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. If Goku's Kamehameha was called Blue Kamehameha then Black's might have been renamed to Rose Kamehameha. Cabba is just a normal Saiyan even if he is from a different universe. Black is clearly different altogether because of spoiler reasons.

Anyway new episode, don't think it told us anything. Preview for the next episode doesn't seem to tell us too much either except it looks like they're losing.

[Xeztin]

If any of you could put multipliers on SSG, Blue and Golden Freeza, what would be reasonable range?

[Helios518]

If any of you could put multipliers on SSG, Blue and Golden Freeza, what would be reasonable range?

Manga or Anime multipliers?

[Xeztin]

If any of you could put multipliers on SSG, Blue and Golden Freeza, what would be reasonable range?

Manga or Anime multipliers?

Having it for both would be great

[Helios518]

If any of you could put multipliers on SSG, Blue and Golden Freeza, what would be reasonable range?

Manga or Anime multipliers?

Having it for both would be great

For both continuities
SSJG - 500,000x

For Manga.
SSJB - 625,000/750,000x or 1.25/1.5x SSJG

For Anime (assuming he absorb SSJG in his base and the regular SSJ multipliers didn't change)
SSJB - 1,000x at absolute least but preferably 2,000x.

[Noah]

So... With this pic: [spoiler][/spoiler]

We can finally put this thread to rest, don't we?


THERE IS NO F***** SENSE ANYMORE!

[Helios518]

So... With this pic: [spoiler][/spoiler]

We can finally put this thread to rest, don't we?


THERE IS NO F***** SENSE ANYMORE!

We need to know the context of that image and as much as I want to put this thread to rest the only way that's truly going to happen is even if the manga PL's hit the floor.

[Noah]

We need to know the context of that image and as much as I want to put this thread to rest the only way that's truly going to happen is even if the manga PL's hit the floor.

Another stupid rage boost

[FortuneSSJ]

We need to know the context of that image and as much as I want to put this thread to rest the only way that's truly going to happen is even if the manga PL's hit the floor.

Another stupid rage boost

You still need to know context behind it, he's right.
That's the same thing that sharing leaks about Gohan's rage boosts against Freeza back then, without know why they happened:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Goku and Vegeta base form lost against Freeza final form, but this still happened:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
I also believe FT Trunks was supposed to be SSJ2, not SSJ, in the last fight against Zamasu/Black. It's just Toei once again forgetting to add the sparks, and we can't tell the difference on other way. It happened the same thing with Vegeta vs Beerus in BOG Movie, and even in the Buu arc with Adult Gohan and Vegeta.