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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:46 am

rereboy wrote:We can do that, but we can also just take the manga as the only canon and we wouldn't be wrong. Its just personal preferences.
But the manga doesn't explain much in this, so shouldn't we se as many examples as possible from the entire franchise?
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Not all of them, for now we have only seen elements from movies 5, 9 and 13, plus the 2-part OVA with Raichi. Also movies 8 and 10 were remade by Salagir. And from what I understand, he uses only the manga as the main story, not the anime, so no Garlick Jr.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TonyTheTiger » Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:12 pm

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Not sure I like Goku having been sent specifically on Freeza's orders. I like the idea that he was sent to Earth just through the ordinary course of the bureaucracy and as a result simply got lost and having only been remembered because one of the survivors happened to be his brother.

Also, lol at Hanasia. Proud mom is proud.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Scarz » Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:11 pm

"You'll have to do ev'rything I say! So when I visit you on earth when you're older, don't grab me from behind and allow a green alien to shoot a beam through my stomach. Kay?"

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:03 pm

Scarz wrote:"You'll have to do ev'rything I say! So when I visit you on earth when you're older, don't grab me from behind and allow a green alien to shoot a beam through my stomach. Kay?"
Perhaps that's why Radiz really died...he was expecting Goku to honor his request not to let a Yoshi blast a hole through him.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by kaialone » Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:08 pm

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Scarz wrote:"You'll have to do ev'rything I say! So when I visit you on earth when you're older, don't grab me from behind and allow a green alien to shoot a beam through my stomach. Kay?"
Perhaps that's why Radiz really died...he was expecting Goku to honor his request not to let a Yoshi blast a hole through him.
I call canon on this


But seriously , if Freeza personaly ordered Goku to be send to earth, wouldnt he remember him?
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Post by funrush » Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:11 pm

"I'm yar big bro?" Why the hell is Raditz talking like that in this page? Was it like that in the French version or just a shitty translation?

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:14 pm

kaialone wrote:But seriously , if Freeza personaly ordered Goku to be send to earth, wouldnt he remember him?
I guess it's an alternate universe. That, and Raditz didn't even remember Goku until he needed help conquering a planet.
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Post by TrunksTrevelyan0064 » Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:54 pm

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kaialone wrote:But seriously , if Freeza personaly ordered Goku to be send to earth, wouldnt he remember him?
I guess it's an alternate universe. That, and Raditz didn't even remember Goku until he needed help conquering a planet.
Which is fishy in the first place because I can't see Vegeta having trouble conquering any planet on his own at that point, let alone with the help of Nappa and Raditz.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TonyTheTiger » Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:56 pm

kaialone wrote:
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Scarz wrote:"You'll have to do ev'rything I say! So when I visit you on earth when you're older, don't grab me from behind and allow a green alien to shoot a beam through my stomach. Kay?"
Perhaps that's why Radiz really died...he was expecting Goku to honor his request not to let a Yoshi blast a hole through him.
I call canon on this


But seriously , if Freeza personaly ordered Goku to be send to earth, wouldnt he remember him?
That's one of my problems with it. Not only does it sort of diminish the irony of it all (that Freeza was beaten by a random Saiyan who happened to survive after the apparent annihilation of the species and the murder of its apparently strongest remaining member, Vegeta) but it also makes Freeza look like a fucking idiot.

It's one thing for Movie 5 to imply that Freeza just didn't see the escaping ship and Cooler is an asshole. It's completely different for Freeza to be like "Oh...send what's his face to Earth. I'm sure I'll remember to kill or indoctrinate him at some point." (20 years later...) "Oops."

I'm also assuming that what we've seen up until now is canon for all relevant universes. I'm not sure at what point U3 will skew off from the rest but I don't think it would make sense for it to have happened yet. The only thing I can imagine triggering the skew would be Bardock transforming and killing Freeza in his first form leaving most Saiyans alive. Then Raichi attacks planet Vegeta itself and ultimately wins. Whether or not Goku makes it to Earth remains to be seen. Although Goku's death, perhaps by Freeza's hand, could explain two different things. First, it might be Bardock's Super Saiyan trigger. Second, it could explain U3's shadow man if he turns out to be Piccolo Daimao.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Maphisto86 » Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:12 pm

Yeah I find the idea that Freeza would be personally involved in where runt saiyan infants were sent a bit hard to believe. I can see why he would take notice of someone like Bardock and his team, who are supposed to be low class but end up wiping out higher level races that gave Freeza's men a hard time. Anyway, Salagir himself confirmed this is a story that takes place in universe #3 so obviously this is not quite based on what we know. Still hard to think Freeza would be interested in "Kakarotto" and Raditz unless it is exactly because they are Bardock's kids.

As for Hanasia asking about Earth's "highest power level", I doubt that Freeza's people would know much about Piccolo Daimou so at best exceptional humans like Master Roshi, Tsurusen'nin (the 'Crane Hermit'), Tao Pai Pai, etc would most likely be considered the best but it seems flunkies of Freeza do not know about the finer points of ki manipulation and so underestimate warriors and martial artists like the ones mentioned above.
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Post by batistabus » Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:18 pm

And...all their personalities instantly changed? I mean...it seems like they took the criticism well.

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Post by nathantheguitarist » Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:48 pm

All of the previous pages with their off-personalities and other misconceptions were made worth it with that last panel. :mrgreen:
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Post by rereboy » Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:05 pm

kaialone wrote:
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Scarz wrote:"You'll have to do ev'rything I say! So when I visit you on earth when you're older, don't grab me from behind and allow a green alien to shoot a beam through my stomach. Kay?"
Perhaps that's why Radiz really died...he was expecting Goku to honor his request not to let a Yoshi blast a hole through him.
I call canon on this


But seriously , if Freeza personaly ordered Goku to be send to earth, wouldnt he remember him?
He was aware that there was a Saiyan on Earth. The manga doesn't make it clear if he only found out about it when Vegeta and Nappa went there or if he already knew, but Zarbon specifically mentions to Freeza that the only Saiyans left are Vegeta, that one who is on Earth and his kid, when Freeza orders them to call the Ginyu Force.

So he was aware.

In DBM, Salagir simply made clear that Freeza knew about Goku from the get go. But he simply didn't care about him and almost forgot him many years later since Raditz failed to become something special like he hoped he would (since he was the son of two of the best Saiyan warriors). Goku should be no different.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by kaialone » Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:17 am

rereboy wrote:
He was aware that there was a Saiyan on Earth. The manga doesn't make it clear if he only found out about it when Vegeta and Nappa went there or if he already knew, but Zarbon specifically mentions to Freeza that the only Saiyans left are Vegeta, that one who is on Earth and his kid, when Freeza orders them to call the Ginyu Force.

So he was aware.
Wait, wait ,wait. When he fought Team Threestar on Namek, and transformed into his third form, and realized that Gohan must be a Saiyajin he is like : "Wait but I killed all of them years ago!Whose kid is that? He doesnt look like Vegeta or Nappa, so he must be Raditz´ kid"
If he was aware of Goku and Gohan would he be like "Oh, that must the kid of Raditz´ brother, who I am aware of"
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Sat Sep 10, 2011 7:24 am

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He was aware that there was a Saiyan on Earth. The manga doesn't make it clear if he only found out about it when Vegeta and Nappa went there or if he already knew, but Zarbon specifically mentions to Freeza that the only Saiyans left are Vegeta, that one who is on Earth and his kid, when Freeza orders them to call the Ginyu Force.

So he was aware.
Wait, wait ,wait. When he fought Team Threestar on Namek, and transformed into his third form, and realized that Gohan must be a Saiyajin he is like : "Wait but I killed all of them years ago!Whose kid is that? He doesnt look like Vegeta or Nappa, so he must be Raditz´ kid"
If he was aware of Goku and Gohan would he be like "Oh, that must the kid of Raditz´ brother, who I am aware of"
He either temporarily forgot about the other Saiyan and his kid (it can happen) or its a Toriyama's "brain fart". Most likely a Toriyama "brain fart".

Zarbon does mention Goku and Gohan to Freeza when they call the Ginyu force and Freeza is not surprised at all by this so he already knew.

And that is actually the only thing that makes sense because Freeza and his men found out about the Dragonballs by listening to Vegeta's and Nappa's scouters while they were on Earth. And if they did that, they obviously found out about Goku and Gohan, if they didn't know it already.

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:14 am

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kaialone wrote:But seriously , if Freeza personaly ordered Goku to be send to earth, wouldnt he remember him?
I guess it's an alternate universe. That, and Raditz didn't even remember Goku until he needed help conquering a planet.
Which is fishy in the first place because I can't see Vegeta having trouble conquering any planet on his own at that point, let alone with the help of Nappa and Raditz.
Perhaps the inhabitants of the planet they were trying to conquer had some kind of strange ability like psychic powers or something that they couldn't overcome with the strength of three Saiyans alone. For example, according to Vegeta, the people of Yardrat had little strength, but they possessed strange abilities, which is why he believed Goku had been learning from them.

Or maybe it's just that Toriyama hadn't thought that far ahead at that point, since he hadn't even introduced Vegeta and Nappa at the time Raditz made that comment.
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kaialone wrote:
rereboy wrote:He was aware that there was a Saiyan on Earth. The manga doesn't make it clear if he only found out about it when Vegeta and Nappa went there or if he already knew, but Zarbon specifically mentions to Freeza that the only Saiyans left are Vegeta, that one who is on Earth and his kid, when Freeza orders them to call the Ginyu Force.

So he was aware.
Wait, wait ,wait. When he fought Team Threestar on Namek, and transformed into his third form, and realized that Gohan must be a Saiyajin he is like : "Wait but I killed all of them years ago!Whose kid is that? He doesnt look like Vegeta or Nappa, so he must be Raditz´ kid"
If he was aware of Goku and Gohan would he be like "Oh, that must the kid of Raditz´ brother, who I am aware of"
He either temporarily forgot about the other Saiyan and his kid (it can happen) or its a Toriyama's "brain fart". Most likely a Toriyama "brain fart".

Zarbon does mention Goku and Gohan to Freeza when they call the Ginyu force and Freeza is not surprised at all by this so he already knew.

And that is actually the only thing that makes sense because Freeza and his men found out about the Dragonballs by listening to Vegeta's and Nappa's scouters while they were on Earth. And if they did that, they obviously found out about Goku and Gohan, if they didn't know it already.
Just going to throw out an in-universe theory here. Perhaps only Dodoria and Zarbon (or just Zarbon) had their scouters on listening in on Vegeta and Nappa's scouters on Earth, and then they relayed that information to Freeza, although not mentioning Goku because it wasn't that important. When Zarbon later mentioned Goku and Gohan after questioning him about sending the Ginyu Force, Freeza may not have been particularly listening that well because his mind was occupied by Vegeta, the Dragon Balls, Super Saiyan and/or the Ginyu Force coming to end his problems.

Or, as you said, Freeza simply forgot. The most likely reason, though, is just that Toriyama forgot.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:43 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
Just going to throw out an in-universe theory here. Perhaps only Dodoria and Zarbon (or just Zarbon) had their scouters on listening in on Vegeta and Nappa's scouters on Earth, and then they relayed that information to Freeza, although not mentioning Goku because it wasn't that important. When Zarbon later mentioned Goku and Gohan after questioning him about sending the Ginyu Force, Freeza may not have been particularly listening that well because his mind was occupied by Vegeta, the Dragon Balls, Super Saiyan and/or the Ginyu Force coming to end his problems.

Or, as you said, Freeza simply forgot. The most likely reason, though, is just that Toriyama forgot.
During that particular dialog Freeza is talking about how he has a feeling that a powerful Saiyan is emerging.

Zarbon asks how can that be since the only Saiyans left are Vegeta, that one on Earth and his kid.

Freeza basically replies that he should shup up and get Vegeta (who had been defeated by Zarbon but Zarbon had left him there).

After Zarbon leaves Freeza thinks to himself that it would be troublesome if the Saiyans evolved into Super Saiyans.

The way Freeza thinks of the Saiyans, and not just Vegeta, implies that he thinks that there are more left. Otherwise, Vegeta would be the last Saiyan as far as he knew and he only had to worry about him.

Besides that, I don't think he would fail to listen to what Zarbon was saying or would Zarbon know that without Freeza also knowing about it.
For a in universe answer, its more likely that Freeza forgot about Goku and his son when he was fighting Gohan, maybe because he always thought that were on Earth and so the thought that Gohan could be that kid never crossed his mind.

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Post by Scarz » Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:10 pm

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Train him to kill? Can the kid even walk?

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Post by jjgp1112 » Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:31 pm

I see where Goku gets most of his insanity from :lol:
Yamcha: Do you remember the spell to release him - do you know all the words?
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Post by Zionist » Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:24 pm

So that's why she dies....retard stays on planet to train her baby :lol:
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