English Dragon Box Release

gallagtor · Post by **gallagtor** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:55 pm

rereboy wrote:
gallagtor wrote:If they're cramming 42 episodes onto 6 discs, that means that there will be 7 episodes on each disc like the Orange Brick sets. Sorry guys, the quality will not be EXACTLY the same as the JP Dragon Boxes.
You still don`t know that. Wait to see.

Yes, I do. I know that the Dragon Box discs are about 7.6 GB and that's basically as much as a DVD can hold. To fit another episode, the bitrate be lowered and the video compressed.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:55 pm

gallagtor wrote:If they're cramming 42 episodes onto 6 discs, that means that there will be 7 episodes on each disc like the Orange Brick sets. Sorry guys, the quality will not be EXACTLY the same as the JP Dragon Boxes.

Does anyone know if this is the final specs? Cause if I am remembering correctly, the DBZ season sets were originally going to be 5 discs each, but when they finally came out they were 6 each.

Also, as someone earlier in this topic mentioned, technology has advanced quite bit sine the dragonboxes were originally released, and maybe since they are putting the english dub in, they have to re-author the disks, and since compression has improved they are able to fit more per disc without quality loss. But then again I could be talking out my ass.

gallagtor · Post by **gallagtor** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:56 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
gallagtor wrote:If they're cramming 42 episodes onto 6 discs, that means that there will be 7 episodes on each disc like the Orange Brick sets. Sorry guys, the quality will not be EXACTLY the same as the JP Dragon Boxes.
Funi did that with Season 9 and still had a GB of space left. Season 9's picture quality was comparable to the Dragon Box.

Season 9 also has the top and bottom of the screen cut off.

Big Boss · Post by **Big Boss** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:57 pm

gallagtor wrote:
rereboy wrote:
gallagtor wrote:If they're cramming 42 episodes onto 6 discs, that means that there will be 7 episodes on each disc like the Orange Brick sets. Sorry guys, the quality will not be EXACTLY the same as the JP Dragon Boxes.
You still don`t know that. Wait to see.
Yes, I do. I know that the Dragon Box discs are about 7.6 GB and that's basically as much as a DVD can hold. To fit another episode, the bitrate be lowered and the video compressed.

Dual Layer DVDs hold 8.54GB of data.

Again, you fail to understand how video compression has drastically changed since 2003.

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece · Post by **Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:57 pm

Anyone have comparison pics for the DragonBox and Orange Box handy?

I need something to masturbate to.

gallagtor · Post by **gallagtor** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:00 pm

Big Boss wrote:
gallagtor wrote:
rereboy wrote: You still don`t know that. Wait to see.
Yes, I do. I know that the Dragon Box discs are about 7.6 GB and that's basically as much as a DVD can hold. To fit another episode, the bitrate be lowered and the video compressed.
Dual Layer DVDs hold 8.54GB of data.

I've never seen a retail DVD over 8 GB.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:00 pm

gallagtor wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:
gallagtor wrote:If they're cramming 42 episodes onto 6 discs, that means that there will be 7 episodes on each disc like the Orange Brick sets. Sorry guys, the quality will not be EXACTLY the same as the JP Dragon Boxes.
Funi did that with Season 9 and still had a GB of space left. Season 9's picture quality was comparable to the Dragon Box.
Season 9 also has the top and bottom of the screen cut off.

It also has extra footage on the sides, what's your point?

Big Boss · Post by **Big Boss** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:01 pm

gallagtor wrote:
Big Boss wrote:
gallagtor wrote: Yes, I do. I know that the Dragon Box discs are about 7.6 GB and that's basically as much as a DVD can hold. To fit another episode, the bitrate be lowered and the video compressed.
Dual Layer DVDs hold 8.54GB of data.
I've never seen a retail DVD over 8 GB.

I have a ton of them. Dunno what you're thinking about.

Again, I'm going to reiterate that video compression has drastically changed since 2003. You can get the same quality at lower bitrates these days.

gallagtor · Post by **gallagtor** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:04 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
gallagtor wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:Funi did that with Season 9 and still had a GB of space left. Season 9's picture quality was comparable to the Dragon Box.
Season 9 also has the top and bottom of the screen cut off.
It also has extra footage on the sides, what's your point?

I'm saying, more screen = more data. More was removed than was added. But now that I think about it, the widescreen discs have more pixels in length so nevermind. XD

gallagtor · Post by **gallagtor** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:06 pm

Big Boss wrote:
I have a ton of them. Dunno what you're thinking about.

Again, I'm going to reiterate that video compression has drastically changed since 2003. You can get the same quality at lower bitrates these days.

Care to name a few? You may be right about the compression, though.

omegacwa wrote:
gallagtor wrote:If they're cramming 42 episodes onto 6 discs, that means that there will be 7 episodes on each disc like the Orange Brick sets. Sorry guys, the quality will not be EXACTLY the same as the JP Dragon Boxes.
Does anyone know if this is the final specs? Cause if I am remembering correctly, the DBZ season sets were originally going to be 5 discs each, but when they finally came out they were 6 each.

Also, as someone earlier in this topic mentioned, technology has advanced quite bit sine the dragonboxes were originally released, and maybe since they are putting the english dub in, they have to re-author the disks, and since compression has improved they are able to fit more per disc without quality loss. But then again I could be talking out my ass.

According to this video they are 42 episodes over 6 discs. The R2 Dragon Boxes (I'm going to have to get used to specifying which ones now :p) have 6 episodes per disc, meaning disc 7 ends with episode 42.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:09 pm

Big Boss wrote:Again, I'm going to reiterate that video compression has drastically changed since 2003. You can get the same quality at lower bitrates these days.

This is true, however keep in mind that (per FUNi themselves) they use outdated encoders. They're actually renowned for having some of the worst compression problems in the business at the moment.

-Corey

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:10 pm

gallagtor wrote:
Big Boss wrote:
I have a ton of them. Dunno what you're thinking about.

Again, I'm going to reiterate that video compression has drastically changed since 2003. You can get the same quality at lower bitrates these days.
Care to name a few? You may be right about the compression, though.

Big Boss' first post was ll the proof you need that dual layer discs are 8GB, hell, here's what it says on Wikipedia:

DVD-R DL 8.5 GB
DVD+R DL 8.5 GB

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD%2BR_DL ... comparison

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
Big Boss wrote:Again, I'm going to reiterate that video compression has drastically changed since 2003. You can get the same quality at lower bitrates these days.
This is true, however keep in mind that (per FUNi themselves) they use outdated encoders. They're actually renowned for having some of the worst compression problems in the business at the moment.

-Corey

Funi's encoding has vastly improved since 2002. They hired a new encode guy in 2007 and their DVD's have had top-notch quality since then. Just look back at the Season 9 thread.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:12 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
Big Boss wrote:Again, I'm going to reiterate that video compression has drastically changed since 2003. You can get the same quality at lower bitrates these days.
This is true, however keep in mind that (per FUNi themselves) they use outdated encoders. They're actually renowned for having some of the worst compression problems in the business at the moment.

-Corey

Hey man, my 2003 version of TMPGenc is STILL awesome!

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:13 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Funi's encoding has vastly improved since 2002. They hired a new encode guy in 2007 and their DVD's have had top-notch quality since then. Just look back at the Season 9 thread.

I'm talking about discs from 2007 onward, but okay. Hiring a new guy doesn't do much when the problems were greatly tied to their outdated encoder (the physical equipment). I'll find some examples later if you want me to.

-Corey

Big Boss · Post by **Big Boss** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:15 pm

gallagtor wrote:
Big Boss wrote:
I have a ton of them. Dunno what you're thinking about.

Again, I'm going to reiterate that video compression has drastically changed since 2003. You can get the same quality at lower bitrates these days.
Care to name a few? You may be right about the compression, though.

Here's some:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keyw ... u4ywahob_e

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:16 pm

Ugh, have half of you even SEEN Season 9 screencaps? Here:

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:19 pm

Good God, this thread's grown huge.

I can't wait for the podcast review. I suspect Corey'll be back but even if the quality of these discs aren't 100% up there with Japan's I really don't think it'll be worth not buying them, espicially with the subs.

fps_anth · Post by **fps_anth** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:20 pm

OH MY FUCK.

HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS UNTIL NOW?!?

I am most happy about this. First the One Piece manga speed up, now this!

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:22 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Ugh, have half of you even SEEN Season 9 screencaps? Here:

Wow that looks terrible. Some of the worst compression I've ever seen. That's neigh unwatchable. And look at those colors! Awful. Who could even bare to look at this filth.

Son Goku · Post by **Son Goku** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:24 pm

I'm a bit late on the news (just got back from being out of town), but this is my reaction:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9sl9TWO0PI

Good thing I only bought the first three orange bricks!

...Now I just need to figure out how to afford this, the every-other-month One Piece DVDs, and the sped-up One Piece Nation releases.