Dragon Ball Z "Seasons" On Blu-ray: News & Discussion

[Martinrock]

Some examples of how it is detrimental to crop the image.https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dragon-B ... 4187007713

[Kakarot88]

Ugh...seriously it is what it is, no amount of bitching will change that.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

Ugh...seriously it is what it is, no amount of bitching will change that.

Yeah, but bitching got us these.


They also bumped up the disc count on the 'Orange Bricks', from 5 to 6, in the lead-up to its release.

[Kakarot88]

Ugh...seriously it is what it is, no amount of bitching will change that.

Yeah, but bitching got us these.


They also bumped up the disc count on the 'Orange Bricks', from 5 to 6, in the lead-up to its release.

Yeah, but "those" are still not a definitive set for all fans, so some are happy others are not. It just seems circular. I myself don't like watching the American Audio with Japanese Music so the Dragon Boxes were worthless for me as I like switching between English and Japanese depedning on my mood so I had to go ahead and buy all the single releases which still does not cover a 4:3 Namek arc. The dragon boxes with their Japanese music sounds akward with the US cast to me so I only enjoy said version in Japanese and therefore rely on my cropped ornage bricks for that arc but se la vi the almight dollar reigns supreme over any whaling and nashing of teeth I may present towards funimation. So that's my point bitching may be catharctic but at the end of the day will likely not sway them one way or the other as we are indeed the "hardcore" fanbase who does not make up the entirety of the wallet carrying Dragon Ball market.

[Daimo-Rukiri]

The English dub is bad to begin with, and honestly just wish it was a subbed only release....
But the moral is, bitch and you shall receive.

All you had to do was just re-edit the audio if you didn't like it. Pretty simple process.

[Kendamu]

"Geez, guys! This effort is useless! Just give up already!" isn't exactly a strong recurring theme in Dragon Ball. I don't think we're gonna stop voicing our want for this to be 4:3 while there's still a chance for it to be.

[eledoremassis02]

I've given up. I'm makin up for Dbox 2 and 4 with singles and Dboxes from other countries. That mean I gotta rip subs off the season sets and such..but hey

[KentalSSJ6]

Meh, I got my Blu Ray DBZ Kai in 4:3 so this doesn't bother me at all. Though it would be nice to see Funimation listen to the fans.

[KingofWisdom]

Kai is entirely different from Z, though. If I want to watch it in Japanese, it has to be Z.

[Kendamu]

Some examples of how it is detrimental to crop the image.https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dragon-B ... 4187007713

It isn't the intended aspect ratio and there will be some problems no matter what, but we already know that FUNimation is considering doing something other than center cropping every shot. Taking this into account, I used 16:9 Kai for inspiration to come up with my own crop.

- Your center crop
- Kai 16:9 (Japanese TV/DVD version)
- My crop

It's still not the intended original frame, but it keeps a lot more vital information on-screen than what you're assuming will be done. If FUNimation intends on cropping DBZ, then I'd like to think that they're going to do a better job of it this time.

[Kakarot88]

"Geez, guys! This effort is useless! Just give up already!" isn't exactly a strong recurring theme in Dragon Ball. I don't think we're gonna stop voicing our want for this to be 4:3 while there's still a chance for it to be.

Absolutely not saying you should. I, just like Goku, can realize when efforts are futile and therefore pursue more productive things with my life and I oughta move on...see sacrificing self to kill Raditz round 2, Blasting Freeza after showing mercy, having Gohan fight Cell and giving up against Beerus. Y'all can continue to fight the good fight by complaining lol but I personally have to "give in...to convictions of...good sense."

All you had to do was just re-edit the audio if you didn't like it. Pretty simple process.

...maybe for you, but I have neither the time nor the patience to learn such skills. Plus on sheer principal I don't want to buy something only to have to change it. The thought of buying the series twice and then having to edit it myself is loathsome, not to mention time consuming.

[jjgp1112]

Ugh...seriously it is what it is, no amount of bitching will change that.

Yeah, but bitching got us these.


They also bumped up the disc count on the 'Orange Bricks', from 5 to 6, in the lead-up to its release.

The disc count for the Orange Bricks was because their reps were actually talking to us on various forums and directly asking us about certain things. At that point, they genuinely believed that cropping was the way to go so they kept trying to sell us on it (probably because it was the most realistically cheap option, which is the same case with these), but they were open to some of the other suggestions as long as enough people made it an issue.

[Martinrock]

It's still not the intended original frame, but it keeps a lot more vital information on-screen than what you're assuming will be done. If FUNimation intends on cropping DBZ, then I'd like to think that they're going to do a better job of it this time.

As I said this is just horrible. Cut the head of Piccolo in two .... not truly representative. And why not, based on this principle, crop all the old masterpieces? Noooooo The rule is: the visual comfort. For this it is necessary that the image does not hit the artistic sensibility.. This is not the case here. Some old shows are cropped in 16/10 for HDTV, which is suitable because it retains more information but when they come out on DVD, it is still in the original ratio or so in the vast majority of cases . A true fan cannot accept the alteration of the work he loves and buys.

[Rukura]

Quick hypothesis:

Does anyone here think that the way Viz announced the HD release of Ranma 1/2 in its proper 4:3 aspect ratio can have any influence on this release, kinda like Sony's PS4 announcement cause Microsoft to shift its position with the XBONE?

EDIT: How awesome was that jab on their part, by the way? lol

[superrayman3]

Quick hypothesis:

Does anyone here think that the way Viz announced the HD release of Ranma 1/2 in its proper 4:3 aspect ratio can have any influence on this release, kinda like Sony's PS4 announcement cause Microsoft to shift its position with the XBONE?

It's possible VIZ's remarks about the HD version Ranma 1/2 being released in its proper 4:3 aspect ratio could have some influence on FUNimation's decision on whether or not to release DBZ in 16:9 for the Blu-ray Season sets, but it's highly unlikely that FUNimation is actually paying any attention to what other companies are doing (though I hope i'm wrong about that this time).

EDIT: How awesome was that jab on their part, by the way? lol

I'm going to be honest and say that VIZ's jab towards FUNimation was pretty sweet because it shows that VIZ at least to some degree (they still have a problem with giving fans incomplete anime releases) actually listen and care about what the fans want, which makes FUNimation's decision look even more damning than it already is.

[Kojiro Sasaki]

"Geez, guys! This effort is useless! Just give up already!" isn't exactly a strong recurring theme in Dragon Ball.

This is the main motto of the most of us. I don't think that posting examples of selective cropping of "croppable" frames will contribute to our "campaign".

I don't think we're gonna stop voicing our want for this to be 4:3 while there's still a chance for it to be.

The main problem is that most of us does nothing.

I've given up.

Why?

I don't like being called "hardcore fan". I want Dragon Ball to be released on Blu-ray - what the hell is "hardcore" in this? Those who want to fit a square peg in a round hole are hardcores here. Wanting to delete 20% of the original artwork to suit ignorant needs cannot be considered as an opinion.

[Kendamu]

On the topic of "true fans":

Let's not even start to go down that road, Martinrock. If I wanted to, I could call any one of you "not a true fan" because the anime destroys the original artistic vision of the breakneck pace of the original manga. Accepting anything less than the masterpiece that is the source material is a shame to your house and you shouldn't contribute any of your money to any so-called adaptions that take artistic liberties and add unnecessary side stories to what is already amazingly perfect. It ruins the original artistic vision, y'know!

See what I did there? The "true fan" angle is a really messy place to go. Let's stay away from that.

On the topic of selective cropping examples:

I'm making it painfully clear to FUNi on Twitter that th best way to guarantee my money going into this new set is if it comes out in 4:3 and if the colors aren't a total mess. In the meantime, I'm just having a bit of fun speculating on what I might expect from FUNimation if they go the selective cropping route. I got all of my anger about 16:9 out in 2007. In 2009, I willingly watched Kai broadcast in 16:9 and I didn't totally fall into cardiac arrest. Going back and acting like I can't even entertain the notion of 16:9 would be a total lie at this point.

It doesn't mean that I would BUY them. I've got better Dragon Ball products (full-color manga) to spend my money on if they don't do it the way I want it done. In any case, I'm continuing to tell FUNi "#NoCropping" but I'm also going to enjoy myself in the meantime.

[Martinrock]

Yes! I insist strongly on the true fan and more a guy with a little common sense knows the difference between a passion for artistic production and respect for an art! If you had not yet figured out, I'm talking of course of the anime and not the Manga! Shows some insight please. But I understand you're not very determined and constant. You prefer to watch and comment in idleness.

[KingofWisdom]

The whole thing does seem sorta pointless, now that I think about it. If remastering it the right way (Level sets) wasn't cost effective, then we're never going to get the release we want. Sure, maybe FUNimation could compromise the cost by using a cheaper remastering, but then we're not going to get a quality product. Maybe the Level sets could have been profitable if the massive DBZ fanbase purchased them, but they probably wouldn't have flown off the shelves even if they came out at a better time. If it can't be done right, I don't see the point in it being done at all. At best, we're looking at something akin to the Dragon Ball blue bricks.

[Kendamu]

Yes! I insist strongly on the true fan and more a guy with a little common sense knows the difference between a passion for artistic production and respect for an art!

Again, you and I have no authority to decide who is a "true fan" and who isn't. One of my best friends is perfectly content with the Orange Bricks and has no preference one way or another between 4:3 or 16:9 or between the dub or the Japanese version, but his inspiration to train in Muay Thai and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu based on his love of DBZ rivals my own inspiration to train based on DBZ. Unlike him, however, I do have a pretty strong preference. I also prefer the Japanese version. Also, overall, I strongly prefer the manga to the anime. That doesn't make him or I more or less of a fan based on those preferences or lack thereof. We both share a very deep appreciation for he story and share a very Shonen-style competitive and adventurous friendship with each other.

You or I have no right to decide whether or not he's a true fan. So, seriously, leave that nonsense at the door.

If you had not yet figured out, I'm talking of course of the anime and not the Manga! Shows some insight please.

You refuse to see my point. My outlandish example was that I was saying that you're not a "true fan" because you actually like the anime despite it destroying the pace of, adding material to, and creating further plot holes in Akira Toriyama's original work. Therefore, by that subjective standard, nobody who enjoys the anime version has any respect for "artistic vision."

See? It's stupid. That's why "true fan" talk should be left at the door.

But I understand you're not very determined and constant. You prefer to watch and comment in idleness.

At this moment, FUNimation is the Twitter account I've tweeted at most. My top two hashtags are related to my not wanting cropped DBZ. Those figures are very closely related.