Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Scarz]

The reason why the alien is warning Bardock actually makes a lot of sense. But he's going to kill him anyway.

[batistabus]

I thought all Kanassans had psychic abilities...so why wouldn't they believe him?

[TonyTheTiger]

The reason why the alien is warning Bardock actually makes a lot of sense. But he's going to kill him anyway.

I'm torn. On one hand, it falls into that trend where people try to downplay the Saiyans' responsibility. Regardless of their being essentially human, capable of all the good and bad associated with that, their culture and its values are decidedly bad-natured (not too different from some ancient human cultures). Even the Saiyans themselves seem to grapple with this, what with Raditz freaking out over how bad a father Bardock was and, within DB canon, Vegeta's own gradual shift. So the whole "you aren't really responsible" thing rubs me wrong. It's like saying the hitman isn't as responsible as the boss who ordered the murder. That might be true on some level...but not in an especially meaningful way. And if the Saiyans aren't going to be held responsible for their actions then that reduces the impact of the implicit understanding, if not outright guilt, survivors like Vegeta (and apparently Bardock) come to.

But on the other hand, read differently it could simply mean that the Saiyans just happened to be the guys who did the job and Kanassa's fate was sealed regardless. If it hadn't been the Saiyans it would have been Freeza's men. If not Freeza's men then it would have been Freeza himself. So the Saiyans' involvement was not especially significant in that regard.

[Maphisto86]

I thought all Kanassans had psychic abilities...so why wouldn't they believe him?

I assumed so as well but I don't know what the original version of the special says about that. Toma just mentions a rumor about why Freeza wanted them annihilated. It's possible really only a special caste or minority have those powers of precognition. Since we practically nothing about the Kanassans before they are destroyed, it leaves some wiggle room for fan fiction. I wonder if Akira Toriyama or Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru had anything to say about them in their notes for the actual TV special?

[SRB2Unleashed]

And then Bardock obliterated the man into ashes....please?

[TonyTheTiger]

At this point, given the new scenario, if Bardock kills him without reasonable provocation then that would make Bardock an idiot on so many levels. In the TV special it makes sense on the grounds that he was attacked and didn't exactly believe or understand what he was being told. But here, if Bardock correctly processes what this guy is actually saying then killing somebody who is clearly good at this whole telling the future stuff is not just being a belligerent Saiyan. It's being a moron.

[SRB2Unleashed]

If Bardock kills him then that would make Bardock an idiot on so many levels. In the TV special it makes sense on the grounds that he was attacked and didn't exactly believe or understand what he was being told. But here, if Bardock correctly processes what this guy is actually saying then killing somebody who is clearly good at this whole telling the future stuff is not just being a belligerent Saiyan. It's being a moron.

Yeah but then again...Bardock did try to pull a fast one on Freeza...and we all know how that turned out but this is the Multiverse retelling so ANYTHING can happen.

[TonyTheTiger]

If this guy gives Bardock the precognition powers then maybe he'd kill him based on the good ol' "you've outlived your usefulness." But I dunno. The Kanassan seems much more friendly here than in the TV special. At least he seems more willing to help. And when you're going after the big bad who has a reputation for being OMGInvincible, you kinda look for whatever help you can. Vegeta learned this on Namek.

[Piccolo Daimao]

If this guy gives Bardock the precognition powers then maybe he'd kill him based on the good ol' "you've outlived your usefulness." But I dunno. The Kanassan seems much more friendly here than in the TV special. At least he seems more willing to help. And when you're going after the big bad who has a reputation for being OMGInvincible, you kinda look for whatever help you can. Vegeta learned this on Namek.

But Saiyans are bastards though. Bardock may not believe that he has a reason to leave this non-fighter Kanassan on a planet that's destined to be sold off anyway. I don't see Bardock sparing him "out of the good of his heart", because he'll probably either think that the Kanassan's bullshitting for whatever reason, or that he has enough information about his race's fate and now the Kanassan's worthless.

[TonyTheTiger]

Vegeta was the biggest bastard of all the Saiyans and even he was smart enough to realize that Krillin and Gohan could help him against Freeza. Hell, he even found the non-combatant Dende a useful, if reluctant ally for obvious reasons. So I don't see how Bardock being a bastard would affect his sense of self-preservation when faced with the prospect of going up against that same exact opponent. An ally who can see the future and has experience interpreting the visions isn't something to blast away just because you're not a very nice person.

[rereboy]

I thought all Kanassans had psychic abilities...so why wouldn't they believe him?

Salagir's comment:

"Here we go to this scene when the future sight is given. I've radically changed it from the film, because, I thought it made no sense in the film.

Some random dude can give you the awesome power to read the future by touching you in the back? What the hell?
This is a HUGE power and shouldn't happen so easily! Why didn't the guys in this planet see the future, and fled, then??

Anyway. In DBM-canon, it's the power only one Kanassian guy has, one particular guy, who summons Baddack to him.

Also, did you see that in the movie, in fact, the visions of Baddack are absolutely of NO USE to him? No really, rewrite the film, without the vision. You see, no difference whatsoever ! Baddack is back to his planet because of Toma telling Freeza's plan. The visions have nothing to do with his decisions and actions.
So that's my point of view : in universe 18 (DBZ) : Baddack didn't have the visions and the film happened the same, minus the visions.
In universe 3, the only one with the visions, things will happen differently."

Vegeta was the biggest bastard of all the Saiyans and even he was smart enough to realize that Krillin and Gohan could help him against Freeza. Hell, he even found the non-combatant Dende a useful, if reluctant ally for obvious reasons. So I don't see how Bardock being a bastard would affect his sense of self-preservation when faced with the prospect of going up against that same exact opponent. An ally who can see the future and has experience interpreting the visions isn't something to blast away just because you're not a very nice person.

Realistically Bardock has no reason to believe him and the alien doesn't exactly have much proof of what he is saying. Knowing Freeza's and Vegeta's names is hardly definite proof of what he is saying.

So, of course, Bardock won't risk leaving him alive, especially since he is actually strong.

[jjgp1112]

So Salagir basically missed the whole reason why Bardock was content with his death in the end. Just because it didn't have any use as far as survival doesn't mean it wasn't meaningful.

[rereboy]

Really? You actually think that Salagir missed that? That he is talking about that?

Salagir is talking about being useful to him to change his own future. Basically, he feels that it was a shame that Bardock had the ability to see the future and he wasn't able to use it whatsoever to change any event.

[batistabus]

I'd accept the fact that only certain Kanassans can see the future, but not just one, who SO HAPPENS to be the one that Bardock comes across. That's almost as stupid as what's trying to be eliminated in the first place.

That, or the Kanassan's can't control what they see (like Bardock), or realize there's nothing they can do to change their fates.

[jjgp1112]

Really? You actually think that Salagir missed that? That he is talking about that?

Salagir is talking about being useful to him to change his own future. Basically, he feels that it was a shame that Bardock had the ability to see the future and he wasn't able to use it whatsoever to change any event.

But if you take it away because of such a reason, you lose an important moment for his character.

[mc49399]

I'd accept the fact that only certain Kanassans can see the future, but not just one, who SO HAPPENS to be the one that Bardock comes across. That's almost as stupid as what's trying to be eliminated in the first place.

That, or the Kanassan's can't control what they see (like Bardock), or realize there's nothing they can do to change their fates.

The Kanassan raised his power to get their attention. It's not like Bardock just happened across him. He realizes that there's nothing they could do to stop them, but the Saiyans aren't ultimately responsible. Freeza is. He's trying to set in motion a plan to eliminate the source of all this before he dies, because he knows he's going to die anyway.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

How can it be that the Kanassan is not a fighter(according to him) but having higher battle power than Toma?

[Piccolo Daimao]

Vegeta was the biggest bastard of all the Saiyans and even he was smart enough to realize that Krillin and Gohan could help him against Freeza. Hell, he even found the non-combatant Dende a useful, if reluctant ally for obvious reasons. So I don't see how Bardock being a bastard would affect his sense of self-preservation when faced with the prospect of going up against that same exact opponent. An ally who can see the future and has experience interpreting the visions isn't something to blast away just because you're not a very nice person.

Like I said, Bardock may not believe that he has a reason to leave this non-fighter Kanassan on a planet that's destined to be sold off anyway, and for all he knows, the Kanassan could be bullshitting him for whatever reason.

Also, Bardock may believe that he has all the information he needs: Freeza's going to murder the Saiyans, meaning that they need to form a rebellion and overpower him. Keeping him around may turn out to be pointless if the Kanassan has nothing more of importance to share to him, and keeping him around could also draw suspicious, from both the Saiyans and Freeza himself, who might kill him. That, and, if this follows the rules of the Bardock special, the Kanassan could just impart his future-seeing powers to Bardock.

[Godo]

How can it be that the Kanassan is not a fighter(according to him) but having higher battle power than Toma?

Kami wasn't a fighter either, but was much stronger than other fighters from Earth. But he used his ki/strength for creating the Dragonballs ect.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Kami wasn't a fighter either, but was much stronger than other fighters from Earth. But he used his ki/strength for creating the Dragonballs ect.

Yeah, but Kami has fought in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai and also fought Garlick Jr., and maybe Garlick during the old times. He wasn't fighting much, because he couldn't leave he Heavenly Realm whenever he wanted to.