Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

[SansrivaaL]

Not particularly - it's just that I haven't seen outsourcing to this extent since the Resurrection 'F' arc.

But.... it is a good thing... right? since the animation has kicked it up a notch compared to the previous arcs.

[ArchedThunder]

Not particularly - it's just that I haven't seen outsourcing to this extent since the Resurrection 'F' arc.

But.... it is a good thing... right? since the animation has kicked it up a notch compared to the previous arcs.

The reason for all of the outsourcing is likely a bad thing, but it's a good thing because of how the episodes are turning out. Nothing to be worried about I think, but definitely a thing worth keeping an eye on.

[SansrivaaL]

Not particularly - it's just that I haven't seen outsourcing to this extent since the Resurrection 'F' arc.

But.... it is a good thing... right? since the animation has kicked it up a notch compared to the previous arcs.

The reason for all of the outsourcing is likely a bad thing, but it's a good thing because of how the episodes are turning out. Nothing to be worried about I think, but definitely a thing worth keeping an eye on.

I see, thanks a lot, got a better understanding of whats going on now.

[Ajay]

Not particularly - it's just that I haven't seen outsourcing to this extent since the Resurrection 'F' arc.

But.... it is a good thing... right? since the animation has kicked it up a notch compared to the previous arcs.

I don't know how to feel about it right now. The reason I keep calling it bizarre is that I just don't understand what the aim is here.

Like, is this a controlled attempt at keeping things stable until the tournament begins proper, or is this what's necessary to actually achieve four episodes in a row of reasonable action?

Where are Toei's staff? Why are we seeing the same people over and over? Why are we seeing these freelancers/external studios to such an extent? Have they just run out of animators and time again?

It's very weird to me and I'm anxious to see what it all means.

[ArchedThunder]

I don't know how to feel about it right now. The reason I keep calling it bizarre is that I just don't understand what the aim is here.

Like, is this a controlled attempt at keeping things stable until the tournament begins proper, or is this what's necessary to actually achieve four episodes in a row of reasonable action?

Where are Toei's staff? Why are we seeing the same people over and over? Why are we seeing these freelancers/external studios to such an extent? Have they just run out of animators and time again?

It's very weird to me and I'm anxious to see what it all means.

Fingers crossed it's all part of a plan!

[SansrivaaL]

Not particularly - it's just that I haven't seen outsourcing to this extent since the Resurrection 'F' arc.

But.... it is a good thing... right? since the animation has kicked it up a notch compared to the previous arcs.

I don't know how to feel about it right now. The reason I keep calling it bizarre is that I just don't understand what the aim is here.

Like, is this a controlled attempt at keeping things stable until the tournament begins proper, or is this what's necessary to actually achieve four episodes in a row of reasonable action?

Where are Toei's staff? Why are we seeing the same people over and over? Why are we seeing these freelancers/external studios to such an extent? Have they just run out of animators and time again?

It's very weird to me and I'm anxious to see what it all means.

Oh, I see where you're getting at, like whats going on with Toei the company itself, is there something weird going on or are they trying to pull something here, are they simply trying to do whats best for DB to the point of getting help outside their staffs. Tho it may look good and its whats better thus far for DBS the franchise, its bad when you look at it from the company's view.

[Gashif Aldi]

Not particularly - it's just that I haven't seen outsourcing to this extent since the Resurrection 'F' arc.

But.... it is a good thing... right? since the animation has kicked it up a notch compared to the previous arcs.

I don't know how to feel about it right now. The reason I keep calling it bizarre is that I just don't understand what the aim is here.

Like, is this a controlled attempt at keeping things stable until the tournament begins proper, or is this what's necessary to actually achieve four episodes in a row of reasonable action?

Where are Toei's staff? Why are we seeing the same people over and over? Why are we seeing these freelancers/external studios to such an extent? Have they just run out of animators and time again?

It's very weird to me and I'm anxious to see what it all means.

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I'm positive that they managed to convince a bunch of talented freelancers (Maybe the new Character Designs convince them, also not being on model is a thing now giving freedom to animators), and Karasawa and others are probably saved for the incoming tournament. Like I said before, this is like 2 in 1 Project.

Hell this is 10 vs 10 vs 10 vs 10 vs 10 vs 10 vs 10 vs 10.
They can ask animators out there to seek freedom and craziness (Maybe Yutaka Nakamura if possible?).

Maybe it is possible to ask an animator without a connection to animate...

They need to save as much animator as they can.

[Sodhi]

I am sure that they knew or planned this arc to start with 4 straight episodes of action. I think this is all probably part of the plan, considering all the changes in production and direction department. I heard the new DBS producer is the same person who saved one piece from a bad production long time ago.

[JazzMazz]

#82

The first half wasn't particularly impressive. Outside of some of Toppo's character acting and Goku's SSJ transformation, everything else was pretty stiff and even still at points.

The second half was a massive improvement in my opinion, the action though pretty conservative at points had a lot of cool rotations and effects to back it up. Kitano's work this episode was a little wonky at points and I really didn't like how he made Beerus look like a dog, but for the most part it was pretty serviceable.

Overall, a decent episode considering that it was nearly completely outsourced, a little worrisome for the actual tournaement though. On a side note, Jin Inaba being a second key animator makes me think his probably doing something later down the line.

The NEP looked conservative for the most part, save for the Basil vs Krillin fight, which looked really awesome in my opinion.

[ArchedThunder]

I am sure that they knew or planned this arc to start with 4 straight episodes of action. This is all probably part of the plan, considering all the changes in production and direction department. I heard the new DBS producer is the same person who saved one piece from a bad production long time ago.

The consistency of the outsourcing plus a few names showing up a bunch while others aren't is what makes me hopeful. But yeah, I think it was a person who was a planner for One Piece and he helped that show out and now he's a producer for Super. Weirdly enough this episode being another outsource heavy episode makes me feel a bit better about the chances of Karasawa being saved for later. While my hopes are high, I think it's also important to keep expectations low, for all we know we're heading into another episode 24 soon.
As always, hope for the best, expect the worse, though I feel pretty good about us not getting the worst.

[Mazingerdestro]

By far an enjoyable episode!!!
The animation at some point was unbelievably good due to the numerous camera angles and the storyboard.
Probably this or the buu fight were the best of this "Zen exhibition match" with maybe Bergamo's or Gohan's been the weakest but still look great. A very nice start (or.....middle? Considering that unless something happens this arc will be short?).
Well 4 battles went over and the production survived while delivering quality material!!!!! That's more than pleasant

That Basil vs Krillin looked goooooooooooood (was it Higashide?)

I saw my man Kitano rocking some wild off model Beerus faces. It's a good thing to know that even if Toei struggles to deliver something great, the off model master Kitano will be there to secure that there will be some bad moments ! I don't think he can draw still images without something weird on them (like size or eyes or mouth) anymore. Funny but during bog his episodes looked awfully animated but almost 99.9% super on model.

[Octorockandroll]

Well, this episode had much more than its fair share of awkward faces. Beerus and Gohan especially get some weird looking expressions. At least we got a pretty well animated fight between Goku and Toppo. It's a damn good spectacle. Someone please find me the animator responsible for that rotating cut where Goku in SSB is fighting Toppo near the ground with all the environmental destruction. Its the one that starts at about 12:22. Please tell me who did it so I can stalk them on the internet. I get a gut feeling its Higashide just based on the quality, but I'm not confident enough in that guess.

[JazzMazz]

If I were to rank the episodes based on animation quality I think it would go something like this.

#80
Easily the best episode due to how animated both halves were, even though it was a little patchwork at times.

#79
Meh first half followed by consistently good second is what only makes it the second best in the pre-tournament.

#82
Meh first half, with only a few interesting cuts, and a lot of really solid action in the second. Despite everything after the action being meh, it was still a lot stronger than the last episode on this list.

#81
Inconsistent instances of solid animation in both halves is what makes it the weakest in terms of animation and overall quality.

What are other peoples opinions of the animation in the pre-tournament and how would you rank these episodes.

[KameNinja45]

Well, this episode had much more than its fair share of awkward faces. Beerus and Gohan especially get some weird looking expressions. At least we got a pretty well animated fight between Goku and Toppo. It's a damn good spectacle. Someone please find me the animator responsible for that rotating cut where Goku in SSB is fighting Toppo near the ground with all the environmental destruction. Its the one that starts at about 12:22. Please tell me who did it so I can stalk them on the internet. I get a gut feeling its Higashide just based on the quality, but I'm not confident enough in that guess.

If it was Highshide, that's 3 episodes in a row. Plus, he did the Krillin vs. Basil fight in 83. So, 4 episodes in row.
I fear for his sanity.

[Ajay]

Well, this episode had much more than its fair share of awkward faces. Beerus and Gohan especially get some weird looking expressions. At least we got a pretty well animated fight between Goku and Toppo. It's a damn good spectacle. Someone please find me the animator responsible for that rotating cut where Goku in SSB is fighting Toppo near the ground with all the environmental destruction. Its the one that starts at about 12:22. Please tell me who did it so I can stalk them on the internet. I get a gut feeling its Higashide just based on the quality, but I'm not confident enough in that guess.

Higashide didn't work on the episode.

My guess at the moment is Hirotaka Nii, himself. The effects and smears match the action in the first half, and since he was top credited, it's probably quite likely that it was him.

Itai corrected almost the entire sequence, so you can't tell by character art, sadly.

[ArchedThunder]

If I were to rank the episodes based on animation quality I think it would go something like this.

#80
Easily the best episode due to how animated both halves were, even though it was a little patchwork at times.

#79
Meh first half followed by consistently good second is what only makes it the second best in the pre-tournament.

#82
Meh first half, with only a few interesting cuts, and a lot of really solid action in the second. Despite everything after the action being meh, it was still a lot stronger than the last episode on this list.

#81
Inconsistent instances of solid animation in both halves is what makes it the weakest in terms of animation and overall quality.

What are other peoples opinions of the animation in the pre-tournament and how would you rank these episodes.

This would be my exact list. Overall a surprisingly solid block of action episodes for Super.

[JazzMazz]

Well, this episode had much more than its fair share of awkward faces. Beerus and Gohan especially get some weird looking expressions. At least we got a pretty well animated fight between Goku and Toppo. It's a damn good spectacle. Someone please find me the animator responsible for that rotating cut where Goku in SSB is fighting Toppo near the ground with all the environmental destruction. Its the one that starts at about 12:22. Please tell me who did it so I can stalk them on the internet. I get a gut feeling its Higashide just based on the quality, but I'm not confident enough in that guess.

Higashide didn't work on the episode.

My guess at the moment is Hirotaka Nii, himself. The effects and smears match the action in the first half, and since he was top credited, it's probably quite likely that it was him.

Itai corrected almost the entire sequence, so you can't tell by character art, sadly.

If you think that Hirotaka's style, then maybe he is the mystery animator that did the first part of the OP that everyone thought was Shimanuki? Just a thought based on what we saw in the OP and this episode were very similar.

[Octorockandroll]

Well, this episode had much more than its fair share of awkward faces. Beerus and Gohan especially get some weird looking expressions. At least we got a pretty well animated fight between Goku and Toppo. It's a damn good spectacle. Someone please find me the animator responsible for that rotating cut where Goku in SSB is fighting Toppo near the ground with all the environmental destruction. Its the one that starts at about 12:22. Please tell me who did it so I can stalk them on the internet. I get a gut feeling its Higashide just based on the quality, but I'm not confident enough in that guess.

If it was Highshide, that's 3 episodes in a row. Plus, he did the Krillin vs. Basil fight in 83. So, 4 episodes in row.
I fear for his sanity.

To be fair you would have reason to fear for the sanity of just about anybody making anime XD.

Apparently I was wrong about that though. I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for this Hirotaka fellow since he clearly has a lot of talent.

[Ajay]

If you think that Hirotaka's style, then maybe he is the mystery animator that did the first part of the OP that everyone thought was Shimanuki? Just a thought based on what we saw in the OP and this episode were very similar.

That's actually a really solid guess. I subscribe to that far more than I do the Shimanuki guesses, absolutely.

[Mazingerdestro]

That scene reminded me of the plan to eradicate the saiyans. Goku punching an orange guy. I think it was made from.....Shida?

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