The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Godo]

It certainly would. Auto-destruction attacks are much stronger than any special technique.

For example, Cell in his semi-perfect form killed Goku after he trained in the RoSaT.

There is a huge difference between Semi-Perfect Cell and Goku vs. #16 vs. Perfect Cell.

If we'd say this:

#16: 5
Semi-Perfect Cell: 10
FPSSJ Goku: 25
Perfect Cell: 30

We have something like 5 vs. 30 and 10 vs. 25, if you get my point.
The gaps could be even greater, but this would be the minimum gap, in my opinion.
Of course, I could be wrong, but at least this is what I think.

[dbgtFO]

There is a huge difference between Semi-Perfect Cell and Goku vs. #16 vs. Perfect Cell.

If we'd say this:

#16: 5
Semi-Perfect Cell: 10
FPSSJ Goku: 25
Perfect Cell: 30

We have something like 5 vs. 30 and 10 vs. 25, if you get my point.
The gaps could be even greater, but this would be the minimum gap, in my opinion.
Of course, I could be wrong, but at least this is what I think.

Yeah we can't really establish anything other than the gap between #16 and Cell(suppressed) being larger than the gap between Cell(2nd form) and SSJ Goku.
I'd say that considering #16's confidence in his bomb even after having seen Cell's tremendous power, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt and say that it probably could obliterate Cell.. if that was his full power.

About Tullece vs. Recoom.

I thought by "Fruity" jjgp1112 meant Tullece after having powered up by eating the fruit, so since we aren't dealing with a guy, who's afraid of a battle power above 30,000, but a guy who has a battle power a good deal above 300,000+, Recoom stands no chance in hell.

[Michsi]

GT Piccolo's only feats are defeating Commander Black, Nappa, and some weakling blue monster. Meanwhile GT Pan knocked General Rilldo on his arse and amazed the almighty Son Goku. Piccolo is nothing to Son Pan.

Didn't Trunks count Piccolo as one of the people that might be above him in strength (or in his category). Unless that's just in the dub.
No matter what his comment said about that, Pan isn't as strong as Trunks.
Krillin managed to cut off Freeza's Tail when he was that much stronger that him. A moment of brilliance does not
establish a fighter's entire power. And this where I stop, I don't have anymore Gt knowledge...

[Kaboom]

Didn't Trunks count Piccolo as one of the people that might be above him in strength (or in his category). Unless that's just in the dub.

Nope, him listing the people stronger than him was in the original, and yep, Piccolo was among them.

[In Brightest Day]

Videl vs. Panpoot.

Scenario 1: Videl in her first appearance.
Scenario 2: Videl after her training with Gohan.


Fight takes place in a Budokai ring.

[FNF]

The weird thing is that original dragonball Budokai fighters are leagues above Videl etc.
Compare this;
http://i52.tinypic.com/23sf39x.jpg
...to this;
http://i56.tinypic.com/2eajm0l.jpg

Videl can't even kick through a punching bag while Panput was able to casually bust the walls in the arena.

[Kaboom]

Yeah, Videl's only big advantage is that she got "Ki Usage 101" training from Gohan, and the only real benefit she reaped from it was becoming able to fly.

So I'd say in Scenario 1, before she learned how to use Ki, Videl would lose.
For Scenario 2 she has a MUCH better chance of winning. Not to mention that being able to fly almost 100% prevents her from losing by ring-out.

[FNF]

I actually think that was an example of bad writing from AT.

21st/22nd/23rd (and even earlier) Budokai fighters were absolute monsters but somehow everybody was shocked at some of the feats the Z senshi were able to pull off and the fighters suddenly got 10x weaker.

Also in the anime Roshi was a legend among the common person while in dbz he was nothing/not known at all.

[jjgp1112]

Yeah, the humans in general suffered a MASSIVE intelligence downgrade in the Cell saga.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Videl vs. Panpoot.

Scenario 1: Videl in her first appearance.
Scenario 2: Videl after her training with Gohan.


Fight takes place in a Budokai ring.

In both scenarios, Panput's stronger than Videl, so he wins in scenario 1. However, in scenario 2, Videl can fly, which gives her an advantage and means she has less of a chance of recieving ring-out. So Videl wins in scenario 2.

I have a match-up.

How about Gohan vs. Dabra if their fight hadn't been interrupted? (please, no "Gohan SSj/SSj2" arguments)

I think that Dabra was slightly stronger than Gohan in their battle. After fighting him the first time, he was confident that he could defeat him in a second battle, although, obviously, it could be just typical villain arrogance. But Goku says that Gohan isn't "completely losing", which suggests that he may be somewhat losing.

Also, Dabra has the advantage of magic, and just one slip-up from Gohan could mean Dabra would take the opening to turn him into stone. So Dabra would win.

[Fox666]

How much flight counts in a battle? I mean, Tenshinhan could fly and still it wasn't his most critical technique. Besides someone like Giran can fly...

[dbgtFO]

I have a match-up.

How about Gohan vs. Dabra if their fight hadn't been interrupted? (please, no "Gohan SSj/SSj2" arguments)

I think Dabra would eventually have won. It'd take forever though.

How much flight counts in a battle? I mean, Tenshinhan could fly and still it wasn't his most critical technique. Besides someone like Giran can fly...

It doesn't count much, if your opponent is much stronger than you and you don't have that knowledge before it's too late IMHO. Panput doesn't seem like the guy, who'd hold back for no apparent reason considering how he bragged that he'd defeat Goku in 30 seconds, so I don't think Videl gets a chance to utilize her flying technique before it's too late.

[Kaboom]

I have a match-up.
How about Gohan vs. Dabra if their fight hadn't been interrupted?

Dabra has not only, it seems, a slight power advantage, but his magic abilities give him an extra edge on top of that. He'd win eventually.

[Adamant]

In both scenarios, Panput's stronger than Videl, so he wins in scenario 1. However, in scenario 2, Videl can fly, which gives her an advantage and means she has less of a chance of recieving ring-out. So Videl wins in scenario 2.

I dunno... I assume Panputto is much faster than Videl too, so how much is her ability to fly going to help her? She'll have to get close to him to get in any hits, at which point he'd dodge/block and hit her instead, if she plays keepaway, he'd probably be able to catch her if she stays over the ring, and if she doesn't, he'll just have to wait for her to either return, or exhaust her qi and be forced to land on the ground.

[Fox666]

Was Dabra using all of his power? Later when Kaioshin and Gohan confronted him and Babidi, Dabra said Gohan was a trash... or was he only being arrogant?

[Kaboom]

...or was he only being arrogant?

Partially, I'd say. But it'd be safe to assume he really did have at least a small power advantage over Gohan.

[dbgtFO]

Was Dabra using all of his power? Later when Kaioshin and Gohan confronted him and Babidi, Dabra said Gohan was a trash... or was he only being arrogant?

Yeah he was giving it his all, unless he changed his mind about wanting to defeat his opponents instantly for no apparent reason.
So he was just being arrogant, if you ask me.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

The fact that he was pretty winded at the end of the battle seems to indicate he was giving it his all.

[Fox666]

Both Dabra and Gohan looks fine to me at the end of the battle.

Yeah he was giving it his all, unless he changed his mind about wanting to defeat his opponents instantly for no apparent reason.
So he was just being arrogant, if you ask me.

Didn't he planned to take control of Vegeta instead?

[dbgtFO]

Both Dabra and Gohan looks fine to me at the end of the battle.

They were both winded after Gohan broke Dabra's sword, is what Turlast seems to be referring to. We actually do have Goku say afterwards that Gohan used up a lot of power(or was it stamina), when fighting Dabra.

Didn't he choose planned to take control of Vegeta instead?

Yes, but from what we are shown, it'd seem that Dabra first takes notice of Vegeta being evil after he's already taken a hit from Gohan.