Buu Saga Kai

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by qjz123 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:59 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:Damn I really was expecting a low quality release but this is worse than I imagined it to be.
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Very disappointing picture quality and reminds me of FUNimation's DBZ Season BDs but still not as bad. This was the one thing I was interested and they killed it.

Thanks Toei Animation!
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AjayLikesGaming wrote:If you put out untouched footage, someone like me is going to take it and turn it into a perfect release. Someone not like me is going to do the same and share it instead. You give pirates the opportunity to do better than companies and people will jump on that so fast.
This is an 80s/90s animated all-ages show that was popular amongst kids. It's not some potent super weapon that might fall into the wrong hands that we have to protect from evil.

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by garnetjester » Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:28 pm

Everyone looks so green, like they are sick or something :sick: I don't remember the former Kai episodes having this greenish hue, but other than that, I think they did a decent job with the cropping.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:38 pm

I want a full version of that Kuu-Zen-Zetsu-Go asap.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by penguintruth » Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:40 pm

I think it looks fine. Certainly better than Funimation's remaster.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by qjz123 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:13 pm

garnetjester wrote:Everyone looks so green, like they are sick or something :sick: I don't remember the former Kai episodes having this greenish hue, but other than that, I think they did a decent job with the cropping.
I like the colors I think they did a good job especially during scenes where the dragon box version had a pink tint.
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AjayLikesGaming wrote:If you put out untouched footage, someone like me is going to take it and turn it into a perfect release. Someone not like me is going to do the same and share it instead. You give pirates the opportunity to do better than companies and people will jump on that so fast.
This is an 80s/90s animated all-ages show that was popular amongst kids. It's not some potent super weapon that might fall into the wrong hands that we have to protect from evil.

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by TheBlackPaladin » Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:22 pm

I've always felt that, in many shots of the Dragon Box footage, the skin of the characters looked a little too pink...almost like the characters got sunburned. So I'm glad that was at least taken care of in the Kai footage. I'm still not digging the green tint, though.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by penguintruth » Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:25 pm

I definitely notice the green tint now, but other than that, the footage looks fairly well done. It's definitely a step up from the current terrible Funimation remaster and looks cleaner than previous footage without seeming too washed out.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.


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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:38 pm

penguintruth wrote:I definitely notice the green tint now, but other than that, the footage looks fairly well done. It's definitely a step up from the current terrible Funimation remaster and looks cleaner than previous footage without seeming too washed out.
When you say Funimation, your referring to their recent season sets correct?
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Post by Marco Polo » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:43 pm

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Post by JEFFMAN219 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:48 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:Damn I really was expecting a low quality release but this is worse than I imagined it to be.

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Very disappointing picture quality and reminds me of FUNimation's DBZ Season BDs but still not as bad. This was the one thing I was interested and they killed it.

Thanks Toei Animation!
Oh come on bro the remastering done on episode 99 looks great so I don't know what you were expecting.

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Flame Dragon » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:55 pm

Still looks phenomenal to me, compared to before that is.
Anyway, shouldn't this technically be episode 99? How come it says Episode 100 on the main site?

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:05 pm

Flame Dragon wrote:Still looks phenomenal to me, compared to before that is.
Anyway, shouldn't this technically be episode 99? How come it says Episode 100 on the main site?
Episode 100 is the next episode. Episode 99 has already aired, remember? :P
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by penguintruth » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:24 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:
penguintruth wrote:I definitely notice the green tint now, but other than that, the footage looks fairly well done. It's definitely a step up from the current terrible Funimation remaster and looks cleaner than previous footage without seeming too washed out.
When you say Funimation, your referring to their recent season sets correct?
Mostly. And the orange bricks, of course.

(I also preferred the DBoxes to the Level Sets...)
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.


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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Flame Dragon » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:49 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Flame Dragon wrote:Still looks phenomenal to me, compared to before that is.
Anyway, shouldn't this technically be episode 99? How come it says Episode 100 on the main site?
Episode 100 is the next episode. Episode 99 has already aired, remember? :P
Oh so the site talks about the next episode to be aired. I throught it indicated the current episode we're at.
Makes sense.

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by BlazingFiddlesticks » Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:37 am

On the pink tint, the heavy-pink bits seem to be the ones that look best in the new remaster, anything lighter gets the sickly green.
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I mean, what the frig is this but (ugly) color modification? Worst the old Kai did was brighten colors!

The greater sharpness over old Kai is much appreciated. Makes the grain removal much more appreciable. How does Kai do that? It's smoothed to virtually nothing the same way Funimation's grain-wiped releases are but without the quality loss.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Puto » Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:29 am

Kirbopher wrote:Anyone got any lyrics on Kuu-Zen-Zetsu-Go ?

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kame kame hame ha kuraberu kai?
yume no dekasa de hariau kai?
VS. saikyō no rival wa jibun
dōmyaku o hashiru chi ga hi e to tagiri
kōfun mo power mo max
sabitsuita mirai kojiakeraretara
rekishi yo kiseki to yobe
kizutsuku tabi tsuyoku nareta
dakara yasashisa wa yowasa ja nai
genkai-kun o funzuke jump!
zetsubō-chan mo hug-shite dance!
gorgeous! fukkatsu wa
Dragon Ball ni onegai!
kame kame hame ha kuraberu kai?
yume no dekasa de hariau kai?
VS. mirai wa kyōgaku no spectacle
kū-zen-zetsu-go!
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Shall we compare our Kame-Kame Hame Has?
Shall we compare the size of our dreams?
VS. — Your greatest rival is yourself
Boil the blood running through your veins into fire
Take your excitement and power to the max!
If I force open the rusted door to the future
Then history will call it a miracle!
Every time I get hurt, I get back up stronger
My kindness doesn't mean that I'm weak
Step on my cute little limits and jump!
Give my sweet little despair a hug and dance!
My gorgeous revival...
...will be left up to the Dragon Balls!
Shall we compare our Kame-Kame Hame Has?
Shall we compare the size of our dreams?
VS. — The future is a shocking spectacle...
The greatest of all time!
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Blade » Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:33 am

Puto wrote:Take your excitement and power to the max!
I initially read that as 'take your excrement" before doing a double take.

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Puto » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:39 am

AjayLikesGaming wrote:Compressed TV shots that may well be filtered aren't really a great indication despite me agreeing that it isn't the greatest remaster in the world. It's nothing like the Season Blu-Rays though. The art is actually solid and backgrounds aren't smudgy at all.

But yeah, check out the comparison between the Blu-Ray and what we saw on the TV with the older episodes of Kai. http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/69415

Whoever uploaded the raw sharpened the ever loving shit out of the TV rip and couldn't compress to save their lives. With the exception of those in Japan, we're all relying on streams and compressed TV rips from not the most reputable sources.

Even with a source that doesn't sharpen like crazy, there's still a difference. http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/69413
Actually, I have a direct transport stream from the TV airing and it really is that sharpened. Random shot from it.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by penguintruth » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:33 pm

I love the lyrics for the OP and ED. OP is very Cha-La Head Cha-La-ish. Especially "compare the size of our dreams", reminding me of "the emptier your head is, the more room there is to pack with dreams" (kids, remember to be as stupid as possible to have dreams).
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.


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