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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:36 pm

DB needs it's equivalent of The Last Jedi, a story that sees the buildings blocks and gives them a good kick to the nuts.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Doctor. » Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:41 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:DB needs it's equivalent of The Last Jedi, a story that sees the buildings blocks and gives them a good kick to the nuts.
Wait, but I thought the movie was shit.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:44 pm

Doctor. wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:DB needs it's equivalent of The Last Jedi, a story that sees the buildings blocks and gives them a good kick to the nuts.
Wait, but I thought the movie was shit.
It's probably going into my top three of the series alongside Return and Revenge :P
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Doctor. » Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:46 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
Doctor. wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:DB needs it's equivalent of The Last Jedi, a story that sees the buildings blocks and gives them a good kick to the nuts.
Wait, but I thought the movie was shit.
It's probably going into my top three of the series alongside Return and Revenge :P
Well, I don't have an opinion either way. Never watched the series nor do I intend to, just saw a lot of outrage on my facebook and youtube feed this week.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:47 pm

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ekrolo2 wrote:
Doctor. wrote: Wait, but I thought the movie was shit.
It's probably going into my top three of the series alongside Return and Revenge :P
Well, I don't have an opinion either way. Never watched the series nor do I intend to, just saw a lot of outrage on my facebook and youtube feed this week.
My friend, you have no idea, the nerd rage is real and I'm loving it.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:59 pm

I loved it as well. I never understood how fickle Star Wars fans until I saw the fan reaction to it. I'd also like to see DB turn some of the conventions of its story on their head.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:04 pm

ABED wrote:I loved it as well. I never understood how fickle Star Wars fans until I saw the fan reaction to it. I'd also like to see DB turn some of the conventions of its story on their head.
WOW! I was really expecting us to disagree on this one :P

But yea, I really appreciate that we got a big franchise movie that so ruthlessly but with a purpose, decide to just break so many of its conventions.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Soppa Saia People » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:11 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
Doctor. wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:DB needs it's equivalent of The Last Jedi, a story that sees the buildings blocks and gives them a good kick to the nuts.
Wait, but I thought the movie was shit.
It's probably going into my top three of the series alongside Return and Revenge :P
Damn, never seen the line up before.
ekrolo2 wrote: My friend, you have no idea, the nerd rage is real and I'm loving it.
People are just salty that their (bad) theories didn't come true. It's amazing, lol. Probably my 3rd favorite
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:12 pm

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ekrolo2 wrote:
Doctor. wrote: Wait, but I thought the movie was shit.
It's probably going into my top three of the series alongside Return and Revenge :P
Damn, never seen the line up before.
ekrolo2 wrote: My friend, you have no idea, the nerd rage is real and I'm loving it.
People are just salty that their (bad) theories didn't come true. It's amazing, lol. Probably my 3rd favorite
Not to derail the thread even further, but nobody hates Star Wars quite like Star Wars fans do ;)
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Doctor. » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:13 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
ABED wrote:I loved it as well. I never understood how fickle Star Wars fans until I saw the fan reaction to it. I'd also like to see DB turn some of the conventions of its story on their head.
WOW! I was really expecting us to disagree on this one :P

But yea, I really appreciate that we got a big franchise movie that so ruthlessly but with a purpose, decide to just break so many of its conventions.
Hunter x Hunter basically takes Dragon Ball's characters, setting and even power system and turns it on its head, if you're interested.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:14 pm

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ekrolo2 wrote:
ABED wrote:I loved it as well. I never understood how fickle Star Wars fans until I saw the fan reaction to it. I'd also like to see DB turn some of the conventions of its story on their head.
WOW! I was really expecting us to disagree on this one :P

But yea, I really appreciate that we got a big franchise movie that so ruthlessly but with a purpose, decide to just break so many of its conventions.
Hunter x Hunter basically takes Dragon Ball's characters, setting and even power system and turns it on its head, if you're interested.
I'll read it the same way I'll read Berserk, when its complete so never :lol:
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Soppa Saia People » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:16 pm

ekrolo2 wrote: Not to derail the thread even further, but nobody hates Star Wars quite like Star Wars fans do ;)
Haha, yep. Star Wars nerds are pretty woat.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:19 pm

Granted, I'm not keen when the story switches main characters, but if DB did something this brazen and subverted expectations all over the place, I might be able to get on board with it.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Doctor. » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:21 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:I'll read it the same way I'll read Berserk, when its complete so never :lol:
Your loss :P . Recently had a reread through the manga and was surprised at how much I'd underrated it in the past for thinking it was just a poor man's DB. Turns out it's the other way around :lol:

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Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:23 pm

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ekrolo2 wrote:I'll read it the same way I'll read Berserk, when its complete so never :lol:
Your loss :P . Recently had a reread through the manga and was surprised at how much I'd underrated it in the past for thinking it was just a poor man's DB. Turns out it's the other way around :lol:
I could use a new Shonen to read after My Hero Academia really just burned me out with its relentless pacing.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Doctor. » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:25 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
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ekrolo2 wrote:I'll read it the same way I'll read Berserk, when its complete so never :lol:
Your loss :P . Recently had a reread through the manga and was surprised at how much I'd underrated it in the past for thinking it was just a poor man's DB. Turns out it's the other way around :lol:
I could use a new Shonen to read after My Hero Academia really just burned me out with its relentless pacing.
I'll advise you that the fanbase is pretty bad (and pretentious), but I guess you're no stranger to bad fanbases at this point.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:28 pm

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Doctor. wrote: Your loss :P . Recently had a reread through the manga and was surprised at how much I'd underrated it in the past for thinking it was just a poor man's DB. Turns out it's the other way around :lol:
I could use a new Shonen to read after My Hero Academia really just burned me out with its relentless pacing.
I'll advise you that the fanbase is pretty bad (and pretentious), but I guess you're no stranger to bad fanbases at this point.
They can't possibly out pretentious the Tolkien fan base, not since Grand Moff Tarkin obliterated Alderaan have I encountered a collective cabal of contemptible cunts quite like those guys.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:33 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:I could use a new Shonen to read after My Hero Academia really just burned me out with its relentless pacing.
Relentless pacing?
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kanassa » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:39 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:DB needs it's equivalent of The Last Jedi, a story that sees the buildings blocks and gives them a good kick to the nuts.
Don't take pointers from that crap. Kicking the building blocks over is meaningless if you have nothing to replace those blocks with. With Last Jedi the director seemed to make some plot points with no other thought given to them other than "It's 'surprising', so it'll be praised as something intelligent"
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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Post by ABED » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:46 pm

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ekrolo2 wrote:DB needs it's equivalent of The Last Jedi, a story that sees the buildings blocks and gives them a good kick to the nuts.
Don't take pointers from that crap. Kicking the building blocks over is meaningless if you have nothing to replace those blocks with. With Last Jedi the director seemed to make some plot points with no other thought given to them other than "It's 'surprising', so it'll be praised as something intelligent"
I feel the opposite. People built up a lot of expectations in their head of where the story was going and instead of going right because expectations and build up pointed right, they took a left. That doesn't make it the wrong direction. It's like when Trunks warns Goku about the Cyborgs and after the build up, we find out that the big bad is someone else entirely.

I'm excited by this. By making some moves in the second movie that you would think would happen in the final movie, it excites me to think that I have no idea where they are going in the third one, in a good way. It's like in Breaking Bad's final season [spoiler]when you think the confrontation between Walt and Hank will take place towards the end of the season and it takes place in the first episode. Clearly the writers knew what the audience expected and subverted it.[/spoiler]
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
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