"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Bullza]

I liked the Vegeta rage boost scene but I would hope that he becomes a SSJ3 version in this version. For one it would make more sense why he's surpassed Goku and two like somebody else said it's likely the last chance to ever actually see it in a TV series.

[Chuquita]

2003 was definitely still dial-up around where I lived. I don't remember anyone that I knew having DSL until at least 2005, more likely 2006/2007. You wanted to download a 12mb file to watch a 24 minute long episode of a TV show back in 2003, you'd better be prepared to wait 12 hours for it.

Ah, back OT though-- ^^;

Hello guys. The preview of the next épisode. If someone can translate please.

The right-hand side is Bulma's birthday party, followed by announcing Pilaf Gang. On the left I think that's the summary (at least partially) that they gave us before, but I also see stuff about the Super Bingo in there.

I'm sure a faster translator will see and get to work on it; all the previous ones have been.

[fadeddreams5]

It doesn't matter how much people try to rationalize that scene, it doesn't make it any less stupid to me. He attained something once exclusive to Gohan (and don't try to pull the "oh, but characters rage all the time in the series!" card), the context behind his rage was basically a gag, and he surpassed a SSJ3 while he was only a SSJ. And yes, I emphasize SSJ, not SSJ2. By DBZ logic, he should be the latter, but this scene, in general, disagrees with a lot of the source material.

Not even Gohan ever had such an exaggerated power-up without transforming.

Well by 2003, a lot of people had faster speed internet and didn't had to worry about dial-up. Dial-up became outdated after 1999 and wireless Internet became more mainstream by the early 2000's. You can argue that a person could have easily downloaded fan subs of GT on the web without watching it on Toonami or buying it on VHS & DVD back in 2003.

Know what I'm using to type this message? Dial-up.

[irreality]

Well by 2003, a lot of people had faster speed internet and didn't had to worry about dial-up. Dial-up became outdated after 1999 and wireless Internet became more mainstream by the early 2000's. You can argue that a person could have easily downloaded fan subs of GT on the web without watching it on Toonami or buying it on VHS & DVD back in 2003. When I was 12 back in 2003, I knew had to use Google to download episodes on the web with Windows Media Player. I don't see how things are different now. Maybe in 1996 - 1999 sure. After the 90's, the Internet became more mainstream and piracy always been a big issue on the web for decades.

In 2003 I was at MIT and had access to the fastest internet anywhere. Piracy was a big problem but people were not downloading whatever series they wanted in an instant. People still traded a lot of fansubs on cds and dvds or VHS. Although one person might have fast speed, there wasn't an entire universe of people with fast internet to share anything possible on demand. And for anything you shared, you had to keep available on your hard disk and those took up a lot of space.

Plus, 2003 was like, what? 5+ years after GT was released? It was also broadcast in Latinamerica and Europe at this point. The situation was not the same for newly released series.

[UpFromTheSkies]

I lived through and ran this website during that whole time span. I know what was available and when. Trust me .

I know who you are, I remember the old website, and I remember you being on AOL... you were involved in those AOL chat RPGs, right?

I don't see the point in explaining the timeframe(s) and situation(s) any further, though. Again, you cannot draw any worthwhile conclusions from comparing them. The context and worldviews surrounding it all was/is just too different.

I think you can draw the conclusion that fansubs don't harm the industry, because they've been around since the 80's, yet the industry keeps growing. I'd even go so far as to say that fansubs have helped the anime industry, and are partly responsible for it becoming as big as it did in the US.

The amount of people who knew and owned those pirated GT VHS tapes with fansubs, and the amount of people who can just do a Google search and find every episode these days, is a huge difference.

Fansubs weren't a big secret in the 90's, anyone who did an AltaVista search (AltaVista was the Google of the 90's) would find a plethora of anime fan sites, most of which had a list of the owner's fansub collection that they had available for sale and trade. You could also find fansubs at comic book and sci fi conventions and most locally owned comic book stores, everyone knew about them.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

Fansubs weren't a big secret in the 90's, anyone who did an AltaVista search (AltaVista was the Google of the 90's) would find a plethora of anime fan sites, most of which had a list of the owner's fansub collection that they had available for sale and trade. You could also find fansubs at comic book and sci fi conventions and most locally owned comic book stores, everyone knew about them.

LOL. Yeah, they were around. You're right about that. But to say that EVERYONE knew about them? Yeesh, that's one heckuva claim for the Early 2000s when anime was still a little below the radar. They were known, no one's saying they aren't. But they were /not/ easily accessible or known about by /everyone/. Today is entirely different. A kid who knows nothing about Dragon Ball can learn /everything/ in a single search. Tons of illegal-streaming sites. You can't compare the two. You just can't. The ease of access that exists today is too huge. Anyone can find anything.

[irreality]

Fansubs weren't a big secret in the 90's, anyone who did an AltaVista search (AltaVista was the Google of the 90's) would find a plethora of anime fan sites, most of which had a list of the owner's fansub collection that they had available for sale and trade. You could also find fansubs at comic book and sci fi conventions and most locally owned comic book stores, everyone knew about them.

They weren't a secret, but fansubs cost money, you had to have them *mailed* (mailing vhs tapes is bulky!) or traded in person, you might need to pay by check or money order sometimes. Going to conventions can cost a lot of money and assumes you live near one, and that that convention is stocking the particular fansub you want. Plus, you might need to wait a year for the convention you want to go to to come around. A lot of towns do not have local comic book stores that stocked all episodes of any fansub.

I'm not sure how this even compares to just going on a website and streaming something for free a few hours after release. It just doesn't.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Fansubs weren't a big secret in the 90's, anyone who did an AltaVista search (AltaVista was the Google of the 90's) would find a plethora of anime fan sites, most of which had a list of the owner's fansub collection that they had available for sale and trade. You could also find fansubs at comic book and sci fi conventions and most locally owned comic book stores, everyone knew about them.

LOL. Yeah, they were around. You're right about that. But to say that EVERYONE knew about them?

Yes, back in the 90's everyone that was interested enough in anime to search for information about it online and visit fan sites were aware of fansubs, it was almost impossible not to be.

Yeesh, that's one heckuva claim for the Early 2000s when anime was still a little below the radar.

I was talking about the 90's, not the early 2000's. By the early 2000's, the fansub scene completely changed and digital fansubs became a huge thing. For example, I remember watching fansubs of Gate Keepers, Noir, Hikaru no Go, Shaman King, and Prince of Tennis back in 2000 and 2001 days after the episodes aired in Japan, and they were high quality DivX videos.

Fansubs weren't a big secret in the 90's, anyone who did an AltaVista search (AltaVista was the Google of the 90's) would find a plethora of anime fan sites, most of which had a list of the owner's fansub collection that they had available for sale and trade. You could also find fansubs at comic book and sci fi conventions and most locally owned comic book stores, everyone knew about them.

They weren't a secret, but fansubs cost money, you had to have them *mailed* (mailing vhs tapes is bulky!) or traded in person, you might need to pay by check or money order sometimes. Going to conventions can cost a lot of money and assumes you live near one, and that that convention is stocking the particular fansub you want. Plus, you might need to wait a year for the convention you want to go to to come around. A lot of towns do not have local comic book stores that stocked all episodes of any fansub.

I'm not sure how this even compares to just going on a website and streaming something for free a few hours after release. It just doesn't.

Right, but some people here were making VHS fansubs out to be something that were difficult to find, when in fact it was as easy as typing "anime" into a search engine and visiting a few fansites.

[irreality]

I think "difficulty" implies more that sleuthing skills, but ease of access -- time, resources, availability, bandwidth, interacting with other people, etc. Most people don't have that much patience or resources for a tv show. Hardcore anime fans? Sure. People just hoping to catch up on the latest cool thing? No.

[bubibartra]

Oh for God's sake, the rage boost returns. I absolutely despise that scene in BoG.

I feel yah, that was one of the most cringe worthy part of the movie. SSJ3 couldnt do shit against Beerus and they make Vegeta do a combo at him in ssj1/2.

I would excuse it had a similar scene (against Cell) not happened in the past. It didn't work before (when his son was killed, not slapped unconscious), shouldn't work now.

In my view

against Cell Vegeta was someone full of rage continuously, and with an insane hatred to Goku. The rage boost emerge from a state of calm and this is the reason why are frequent in Gohan, Gohan is a peaceful and calm boy. Against Cell Vegeta was full of hatred, Goku had died to save them all, a child had surpassed him.

Vegeta is now much calmer, so the rage boost is possible

[TripleRach]

Yes, back in the 90's everyone that was interested enough in anime to search for information about it online and visit fan sites were aware of fansubs, it was almost impossible not to be.

Simply having internet access in the 90s was a niche thing. PCs were very expensive. Dialup was another expense on top of that, and was more of a novelty than anything to the public for quite a while. Many people were content to use their PCs just to make documents for work or school and play basic shareware games.

People with internet access could certainly find fan sites and subbed tapes, but they were a small minority. Having to spend money on the tapes or CDs/VCDs was yet another obstacle compared to the modern era. If you were lucky enough to find a free download, you had to leave your connection on for hours just to get one 15 MB file. Which means you had to hope you didn't have family who needed the phone line.

The internet is far more mainstream than it was 15-20 years ago. Connections are also faster, hard drives are larger, and even phones are more powerful than old PCs. Evidence shows that people torrent and stream videos in the tens of thousands. Tape traders didn't do that kind of business unless they were part of a massive bootleg operation, but most of them were just regular folk who owned a second VCR.

[Noah]

Oh for God's sake, the rage boost returns. I absolutely despise that scene in BoG.

Me too. But now I see that we must probably get the same that we get in BoG, Toriyama don't really care about consistency, so a SSJ punching Beerus that beated effortlessly a SSJ3 is no problem for him, though

[LuckyCat]

Hello guys. The preview of the next épisode. If someone can translate please.

Right side: At Bulma Birthday Party

Left top:
8/2 Dragon Ball Super
9:00 ~ 9:30 On Fuji TV
Episode 4: Aim for the Dragon Balls! The Pilaf Gang’s Great Strategy! (Kanzenshuu.com)

Middle:
Pilaf's gang's infiltration!
The bingo contest's grand prize is the dragon balls!
On Earth, Bulma commences a magnificent birthday party on a luxury liner! The grand prize for the bingo contest turns out to be none other than the dragon balls! But, Pilaf's gang comes along to steal the dragon balls!

Bottom Left:
This week's Beerus
Off to Kaio's Planet!
The pair are searching for the Super Saiyan God!
Following the oracle fish's prediction, they head to Kaio's planet where Goku is, an inevitable clash?!

[JulieYBM]

Asked Heath about the supposed new information. The staff looks to be a copy and paste job for Episode #5, which is another way of saying it's probably fake. Ugh.

[Chuquita]

Asked Heath about the supposed new information. The staff looks to be a copy and paste job for Episode #5, which is another way of saying it's probably fake. Ugh.

Aw.
*Disappointment.*

I guess it is way too early for summaries to exist, isn't it? The last set of titles came out the 2nd week of July. We probably have until at the earliest the end of next week.

[JulieYBM]

Asked Heath about the supposed new information. The staff looks to be a copy and paste job for Episode #5, which is another way of saying it's probably fake. Ugh.

Aw.
*Disappointment.*

I guess it is way too early for summaries to exist, isn't it? The last set of titles came out the 2nd week of July. We probably have until at the earliest the end of next week.

Yeah, I wouldn't expect any titles until at least the tenth to be on the safe side. It should be interesting to see how these things play out given we'll have at least two fights within Episodes #5-6. Maybe the animation from the film will be reused?

[Chuquita]

Asked Heath about the supposed new information. The staff looks to be a copy and paste job for Episode #5, which is another way of saying it's probably fake. Ugh.

Aw.
*Disappointment.*

I guess it is way too early for summaries to exist, isn't it? The last set of titles came out the 2nd week of July. We probably have until at the earliest the end of next week.

Yeah, I wouldn't expect any titles until at least the tenth to be on the safe side. It should be interesting to see how these things play out given we'll have at least two fights within Episodes #5-6. Maybe the animation from the film will be reused?

If reusing animation frees them up to make other parts that would've been neglected in favor of these battles look good, as to make the quality of the whole thing more even, I'd be ok with that. The only thing they'd have to explain away would be the figure-8 marks Gokû's leaving in his wake all over Kaio's planet in Super #3 with those weights he's dragging around behind him.

It'd also potentially mean we'd get to keep the "Gokû desu" scene; I love the "Gokû desu" scene.

[JulieYBM]

Yeah, Episode #5 would be really nice if it just reused the animation from that segment of the movie and then condensed its 3,000 allotted drawings into new action animation to extend Gokuu's fight with Beers.

[soulnova]

In 2003 i was downloading Yugi-oh (the parts that hadnt been aired in Mexico) and Naruto fansubbed as it came out. I would leave the pc on downloading at night.

[irreality]

The figure 8s were in episode 2. They aren't there in episode 3 (he is lifting weight, not dragging it), so that is fine.

I also love the Goku Desu scene. I can't imagine they would remove that -- it is so cute.