"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[TheGmGoken]

I wonder if Toriyama will state why Champa is a Beerus look alike.

[MaGyunia]

I doubt it will happen, but if there was a direct confrontation between Beerus and Champa (beyond a conversational one, or an argument, which we'll certainly get, as there seems to be some sort of rivalry/animosity between them), Beerus turns out to be stronger. I know it's never going to happen, but I'd like Beerus to beat the shit out of that overweight cat. We've already been introduced to the awesomeness of Beerus' character, he's already part of the family. However, it's more likely that they're mere counterparts with a friendly rivalry between them other than any serious animosity.

[Chuquita]

For anyone interested, http://onepiecepodcast.com/2015/07/27/e ... r-podcast/ has the Sabat and Schemmel panel from Otakon in it; they talk about Super in it, Schemmel really wants that "Evil Gokû" arc (that one of the AF mangas did where Gokû hits his head and Kakarrotto comes back and turns out to be 'even more Vegeta than Vegeta is' and then them having to do an arc where they go about bringing Gokû back to the good side the hard way and do a character arc instead of just another hit to the head) I don't think we're gonna get an arc like that though. Maybe if Uni 6 is a parallel universe we might get an Evil Gokû that way. I think it's interesting to note because I've read a lot of other people wanting (or been wanting for a while now) something with an "Evil Gokû" that's actually Gokû and not Turles.

Also as of Otakon they still don't have any copies of material for Super.

[LightBing]

I doubt it will happen, but if there was a direct confrontation between Beerus and Champa (beyond a conversational one, or an argument, which we'll certainly get, as there seems to be some sort of rivalry/animosity between them), Beerus turns out to be stronger. I know it's never going to happen, but I'd like Beerus to beat the shit out of that overweight cat. We've already been introduced to the awesomeness of Beerus' character, he's already part of the family. However, it's more likely that they're mere counterparts with a friendly rivalry between them other than any serious animosity.

Based on the manga, it seems quite possible that may happen. Champa appears to be plotting something against Beerus and we know he can be a grumpy cat. It still is very mysterious, all we know is that they know each other.

[MaGyunia]

I've been totally patient with the pace at which the events of DBSuper are being presented, and I'm well over the fact that we're basically getting both BoG and Fukkatsu no F retold in the form of arcs within the series pretty much in the exact same circumstances, but after one week(end) without an episode I'm suddenly feeling the urge to move forward with the story and have Champa introduced, Freeza's resurrection, Vegeta turning Super Saiya-jin God, Goku and Vegeta training under Whis and whatever/whoever the hell we'll be introduced to in the 6th Universe arc. We've over-debated all possible aspects surrounding the Beerus and Freeza arcs within DBSuper when related to the movie versions, and according to the calculations/estimates earlier today in another thread we won't be "done" with the Beerus and Freeza arcs by the 23/25 episode. Goddamn it, I need to watch some ferocious fighting against insanely powerful villains with the entire Universe(s) at stake, already.

Hopefully by tomorrow this sensation will be gone and I'll get back to normal.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I wonder if Toriyama will state why Champa is a Beerus look alike.

I hope it isn''t because Universe 6 is parallel or whatever and it means everyone looks similar to their Universe 7 counterparts, I would be happy with a he's Beerus's brother explanation.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Nothing so far implies that Champa is even from Universe 6. All of it has just been fans jumping the gun with that assumption. Though the more that's revealed about him, what little bit has been revealed anyway, actually seems to be pointing to him just being another resident of Universe 7...and probably another Hakaishin, but even that's not technically confirmed yet either.

[Doctor.]

Nothing so far implies that Champa is even from Universe 6. All of it has just been fans jumping the gun with that assumption. Though the more that's revealed about him, what little bit has been revealed anyway, actually seems to be pointing to him just being another resident of Universe 7...and probably another Hakaishin, but even that's not technically confirmed yet either.

That's what I've been saying, too. I think it's way more likely he's from universe 7, especially after his introduction in chapter 2 of the manga.

[MaGyunia]

Again in the field of pure speculation, Champa could either be a long-time contender of Beerus for the position of Hakaishin of the 7th Universe (hence the animosity apparent between them), he could belong to the same race or even be a direct relative of Beerus', he could be the Hakaishin for the 6th Universe (a rather likely possibility, as he has his own attendant much in the same way Beerus has Whis), or he could even be behind some more serious, evil scheme which might have something to do with the 6th Universe. There are other possibilities other than these. We'll just have to wait and see as the info and the episodes come out.

[Chuquita]

I've got two theories on Champa:
1) He's the Vegeta to Beerus' Gokû. The rival that's eternally chasing Beerus to become "number one", who Beerus isn't overly interested in.
2) He's Beerus' parallel Uni 6 counterpart.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I'm tossing my hat towards him just being Universe #7's second, less powerful, Hakaishin (which doesn't really contradict anything prior to Super). He and Beerus don't really get along, so he starts plotting shit against him. His plans eventually backfire (whatever they are) and end up spawning the need for our heroes to seek out the Super Dragon Balls in Universe 6 to reverse whatever it is he screwed up.

[Noah]

I have mixed feelings towards of wanting or not a parallel universe in Super, I don't know...

[Chuquita]

Seeing how Vegeta's the unofficial source of the tsundere trope, I do kinda want Uni 6 to parallel and have a Princess Vegeta, just to see how she stacks up against her many unofficial progeny.

And I want to see a male alt evil Gokû with a track record similar to Pilaf's.

[Galan007]

I wonder if Toriyama will state why Champa is a Beerus look alike.

My theory is that Whis and his female counterpart belong to the same race, and Beerus/Champa are the equivalent of their pet cats... While Whis has kept his pet in shape with training and whatnot over the eons, his female counterpart has overfed her pet and not kept up a strict training regimen, therefore he's gotten fat and [more] lazy.

Either that, or they're just from an alternate universe. BORING. :p

[Low Tone G]

I've got two theories on Champa:
1) He's the Vegeta to Beerus' Gokû. The rival that's eternally chasing Beerus to become "number one", who Beerus isn't overly interested in.
2) He's Beerus' parallel Uni 6 counterpart.

I don't really see why could they be from Universe 7 if there was no mention about other Hakaishins from Universe 7 other than Beers. If there are more than one Gods of Destruction why wouldn't the Kaioshins be afraid of Champa too. Even if Champa is weaker than Beerus, he could also be a formidable being, just like Goku was as a Super Saiyan God. If the Universe 6 Arc is promised to be uncovered why shouldn't we be sure that Champa is not from Universe 6, as he looks like a Hakaishin? Morever if Toriyama said that Goku and Vegeta will leave for Universe 63, then it should exist a way to open a gate to that world. Maybe Champa and the other female attendant know how to open it. Who said that the other Hakaishins should be stronger than Beerus? Beerus said that there might be being even stronger than he is, but there are eleven more universes and there is a possibility that not the Hakaishin of the 6th Universe is the strongest, nor the attendant, but a being just like Goku who managed to surpass the top dogs.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

There's not really a problem with any of it. Just because another Universe 7 Hakaishin was never mentioned, that doesn't mean one doesn't exist. Kaio wasn't introduced as the NORTH Kaio. The fact that he was part of a group was only revealed later. Champa could easily be in the same boat. Beerus says he's the/a Hakaishin of Universe 7 and that there are 12 Universes. You can takes that as an implication that there are other Hakaishin in the other 11 Universes, but he also says that he doesn't know what's in them, meaning they may not have the same deity structure or anything. Chouzenshu 4 explains about the god hierarchy and refers to 破壊の神々/Hakai no Kami-Gami. Kami-Gami specifically means "gods", so there are multiple Hakaishin and this is presumably only in Universe 7, as there wasn't really any content to cover on the other universes prior to Super's announcement of going to #6. We don't even know if they share the same god structure or anything. Literally, the only information we have is that Universe 6 exists and that Super Dragon Balls and new characters will be involved with it when (some of) our heroes go there.

As for why Champa may not be a formidable for to Beerus? Possibly the same reason Whis doesn't count despite actually being stronger than him, because they share an actual affiliation (teacher, assistant, friend, etc).

[MaGyunia]

We've got some tools to generate a theory and predict who Champa really is and just what his relationship with Beerus is.

First of all, Beerus said there are 12 Universes in total. Then we got to know that in DBSuper we'll be exploring one of those other Universes, the 6th. Champa has a similar appearance to Beerus, he's a cat as well (regardless of how unimaginative that is or not), wears the same type of clothing and has an attendant just the same way Beerus does. The easiest theory to postulate is that Champa is just the Hakaishin of the 6th Universe they'll be exploring, and that for some reason he has some long-time rivalry/animosity towards Beerus (they may have competed for the position of Hakaishin of the 6th or the 7th Universes, they may have competed for millions of years to see who's the strongest Hakaishin (Champa being the one for the 6th Universe, Beerus being the one for the 7th). Who knows?

However, I can't really see Champa becoming THE menace in DBSuper after the Freeza arc, although he might be the one to create the problems that need to be fixed with the usage of the Super Dragon Balls in the first place. Sharing an animosity/friendly rivalry with another deity doesn't necessarily mean you're going to go around becoming a major villain in the series.

My best bet is that Champa is just the Hakaishin for the 6th Universe and has always shared an ages-long animosity/rivalry with Beerus over their respective powers, pretty much competing with each other to see which one does their job better and/or which one is more powerful, just like the relationship Vegeta has towards Goku. They could also have competed for the position of Hakaishin for a particular Universe and Beerus was chosen over Champa, relegating the latter to a lower position, causing a lot of bitterness on the part of Champa, who decides at this point to take some sort of revenge on Beerus by defying him or doing who-knows-what (pretty much the same way Garlic Jr. wants revenge on Kami for the fact that the latter was chosen over his father to the throne of Earth's Guardian).

Just speculations, and no point in going any further with them. We'll just have to wait and see what actually happens and what exactly the story is between these two and the 4 of them, hopefully no later than right after the Freeza arc, which should be "done with" by episode 23/25, according to our estimates. But if I had to put my money on a particular scenario, I'd definitely go for Champa just being the Hakaishin for the 6th Universe exactly in the same way Beerus is the Hakaishin for the 7th, and their ages-long relationship generated competition/rivalry/animosity between them. If it is indeed Champa who turns out to be the major villain/antagonist in DBSuper, at least in the 6th Universe, then I'll have to say that I'd be disappointed. I don't want another laid-back fat cat to be the best villain they could come up with, I want 2015's version of a maniacal, genocidal, ruthless, absolutely evil villain with mind-boggling powers threatening the entire Universe(s), going past Goku, Vegeta and the others and actually INCLUDING Beerus and Whis. Considering the target audience DBSuper is mostly directed towards, we may end up with an overall much smoother and lighter series and events than we did throughout the later stages of DB and the entirety of DBZ, and we'll laugh at/cry over the comparison between the degree of seriousness, drama, evil, blood and violence present in DBSuper and the same elements in the Saiya-jin, Freeza and Cell arcs.

[Birusu16]

I doubt Champa is another God of Destruction from Universe 7. Beerus is constantly brought up as if he's the only God of Destruction of Universe 7. My guess is he'll have some affiliation with Universe 6, be it him being the God of Destruction of said Universe or something else.

[Doctor.]

I doubt Champa is another God of Destruction from Universe 7. Beerus is constantly brought up as if he's the only God of Destruction of Universe 7. My guess is he'll have some affiliation with Universe 6, be it him being the God of Destruction of said Universe or something else.

Beerus was called the 'most powerful' God of Destruction in the universe a few episodes back. Why would he be called the most powerful if he's the only one?

[Low Tone G]

I doubt Champa is another God of Destruction from Universe 7. Beerus is constantly brought up as if he's the only God of Destruction of Universe 7. My guess is he'll have some affiliation with Universe 6, be it him being the God of Destruction of said Universe or something else.

Beerus was called the 'most powerful' God of Destruction in the universe a few episodes back. Why would he be called the most powerful if he's the only one?

Is that a legit information, or a mistranslation? In the BoG he was referred as a God who is the most feared, and who happens the be the God of Destruction.