Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Dyno]

She apparently doesn't even get a look at Mecha Freeza's death. She wonders how everyone knows Freeza's been killed, and thinks they must have really good eyesight (when in reality they all just sensed Freeza's ki vanish).

Though I wouldn't be surprised if Vegeta could actually see what happened. Well... We are talking about someone belonging to another race. Just like Piccolo can hear from a longer distance than a human.

[Bullza]

It wouldn't surprise me if Toriyama is going to contradict it himself with this movie.

I expect there will be a lot of contradictions in this movie that's going to end up annoying a lot of people. Gohan turning into a Super Saiyan, Frieza not being reincarnated and Frieza having a body in hell are already three possible contradictions that I can think of from the top of my head.

[Mewzard]

Shouldn't Freeza not have a body to actually train while in Hell though? When people die they become a cloud. Goku and other heroes get to keep their body. Piccolo told Vegeta he wouldn't keep his body but did because King Yemma made an exception thinking he could be useful in dealing with Buu.

That is indeed the way things are presented in the manga. The anime contradicts this by repeatedly showing dead villains hanging out and causing trouble in Hell, even though both manga and anime have Goku says that "bad guys like Cell" don't keep their bodies after they die. It wouldn't surprise me if Toriyama is going to contradict it himself with this movie. We still don't know for sure, but that seems to be where the signs are pointing. For hand-wavey explanations, there's the idea singsing mentioned about Freeza getting a body in Hell specifically so that he could be suitably punished. It still seems to go against Goku's statement about bad guys like Cell not getting to keep their bodies, but maybe Freeza's just extra super bad enough for them to make an exception. Although handing out a body to somebody a gazillion times stronger than you so that you can punish them seems like a recipe for disaster.

To be fair, when have the gods of the DBZ universe shown the wisest actions when it comes to mortals? The Buu Saga felt like a running gag of "how many times can the highest god we know of make major mistakes underestimating mortals or making decisions that could cost us"...then again, everyone's guilty of arrogance from time to time in show, so...

But yeah, who knows how he would train. Maybe he got wished back a while before he actually returns (realizing as he is, he'd just get sliced and diced again, and he grows really fast due to his high potential even at no training), maybe he found a way to train his soul, and that had some impact on his reborn body (who knows how a person can change after decades in Hell). ...Hell (Ha-Ha!), maybe "training" was a poor choice of punishment for Freeza, and he really got strong over all these decades (because, what are the odds he'll be revived? He can't escape Hell otherwi-OH CRAP! RED ALERT!).

[Dyno]

It wouldn't surprise me if Toriyama is going to contradict it himself with this movie.

I expect there will be a lot of contradictions in this movie that's going to end up annoying a lot of people. Gohan turning into a Super Saiyan, Freeza not being reincarnated and Freeza having a body in hell are already three possible contradictions that I can think of from the top of my head.

Since it is "there's no way Kakarot and Bulma wouldn't see each other, they're together since you weren't even born!", this film just can't take place after three years. But I should leave a note, the information that Battle of Gods takes place in 778 comes from an event, the same event that says Bardock went back in time when we don't know for sure if this is correct. Or that piece of information comes from somewhere else?
Ignoring it, Battle of Gods could happen in late 776, if one considers Tarble's OVA occuring in early 776. Going by this:

Battle of Gods - 776
Fukkatsu no F - 779
End of Z - 784


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Then, Akira Toriyama would only contradicts (more and more) Pan's and Bra's information from Daizenshuu. Which is better than contradicts himself.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The timeline shift for BOG you are suggesting would screw up a lot more material than what you are also suggesting as of Toriyama's own DB continuity (Jaco, DB, BOG, ROF...and presumably the JSAT). It actually shifts almost the entire timeline.

Jaco the Galactic Patrolman was written to coincide with Battle of Gods. That's why Beerus' 39 year nap ending in AGE 778 lines up perfectly with the new AGE 739 date for Vegeta's destruction in Dragon Ball Minus. If you shift it back, Goku ends up being born 3 years prior around 734, Vegeta would be destroyed and Jaco would take place in 737, 10 years later the series would start in AGE 747, Saiyans invade in 759, Buu in 772, the JSAT being states as 2 years after Buu would now be in 774, etc.

[Dyno]

But then again, no year has been set up for Jaco.

776 - 39 = 737.

Bills would sleep in the infamous Age that, until recently, we used to know as the destruction of the planet. Even if one considers Dragon Ball started at 749, 749 - 12 = 737. Impling that everything happened in that year, with a gap of days, weeks or even months. Going by this, the timeline continues the same.

The only place that says Jaco takes place in a specific Age is here, more precisely in Age 739. But I must ask, where did you guys found that information?

[EmmaWinters]

But then again, no year has been set up for Jaco. ... The only place that says Jaco takes place in a specific Age is here, more precisely in Age 739. But I must ask, where did you guys found that information?

Bulma's age is mentioned. Dots are connected.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

But then again, no year has been set up for Jaco.

776 - 39 = 737.

Bills would sleep in the infamous Age that, until recently, we used to know as the destruction of the planet. Even if one considers Dragon Ball started at 749, 749 - 12 = 737. Impling that everything happened in that year, with a gap of days, weeks or even months. Going by this, the timeline continues the same.

The only place that says Jaco takes place in a specific Age is here, more precisely in Age 739. But I must ask, where did you guys found that information?

No year is concretely set up for Jaco, but it's just a simple matter of deduction. Any dates other than 739 for Jaco and 778 for BOG cause way more inconsistencies with previously known information, including what is established int the manga.

Jaco the Galactic Patrolman states Bluma is 5, Goku is almost 3, and that the events of Goku's arrival occur 10 years before Dragon Ball begins. If you are detemined to make AGE 737 the year planet Vegeta is destroyed, everything after no longer fits. Like I said before: 737+10 is 747.

But then again, no year has been set up for Jaco. ... The only place that says Jaco takes place in a specific Age is here, more precisely in Age 739. But I must ask, where did you guys found that information?

Bulma's age is mentioned. Dots are connected.

Pretty much. I mean, you can connect the dots with more than just her age if you include the extra supplemental material that other people have already done the work for, like the various guidebook timelines (and it is much easier to do this), but since the manga only mentions the calendar system once when Trunks is talking and Bluma's the only one with a confirmed age that appears in all the appropriate stuff, she's the best one to play mathematician with if you want to do it yourself.

Goku alone (if his age was the only thing mentioned) would hardly be reliable, as he's revealed to be an alien and chances of him knowing how old he is from birth, space travel, head trauma, being of very minor education, etc....yeah.

[Dyno]

16 in 749

6 in 739 (Plot hole? Bulma is about to turn 6?)

Born in 733.

Considering Kakarot born in Age 734 and got stuck in a incubator for three years (737), then the difference betweem both is one year.

That being calculated and said, let's go to Battle of Gods: 778 - 38 = 740
Or going by what I think: 776 - 38 = 738

Something clearly is not right, and hum... Not thinking it is my miscalculation. But we'll see as long as we continue this nice conversation.
By the way, if Kakarot was born in 734, got stuck in a incubator for three years, 737 and then ten years passed, 747, this makes Kakarot being 13. Plothole? He's about to turn 13?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Bluma is 5 going on 6. Goku was in the incubator for almost 3 years, and your math is off because Beerus slept for 39 years and not 38.

Still, AGE 747 wouldn't work because adding all the gaps that occur after wouldn't line up with Trunks' mention of AGE 788 in the manga, which sets the foundation for the whole calendar system from the series. Including Jaco and Battle of Gods in the same continuity forces you to go with 739 and 778. This works out with every other established date, including Bluma being born in 733, Goku in 737, Pan in 779, etc. Seriously, you suggested shift is making things WAY more complicated than need be, just to try and fix something that didn't need to be fixed in the first place. lol

Though if this conversation is going to continue further, I suggest making a thread in the in-universe section since, while it slightly relates, the overall conversation isn't really about the movie.

[Dyno]

Bluma is 5 going on 6. Goku was in the incubator for almost 3 years, and your math is off because Beerus slept for 39 years and not 38.

Still, AGE 747 wouldn't work because adding all the gaps that occur after wouldn't line up with Trunks' mention of AGE 788 in the manga, which sets the foundation for the whole calendar system from the series. Including Jaco and Battle of Gods in the same continuity forces you to go with 739 and 778. This works out with every other established date, including Bluma being born in 733, Goku in 737, Pan in 779, etc. Seriously, you suggested shift is making things WAY more complicated than need be, just to try and fix something that didn't need to be fixed in the first place. lol

Though if this conversation is going to continue further, I suggest making a thread in the in-universe section since, while it slightly relates, the overall conversation isn't really about the movie.

So very true. Not only this, as I read Jaco just once, I don't remember quite well if they say Bulma is 5 when Kakarot is already on Earth, which would concretize the gap between them of one year.
A friend of mine recommended me to wait for the Fukkatsu no F before I make a timeline in another community. In time, I''ll seat for hours trying to connect everything without major plotholes. But as it is for now, Fukkatsu no F can't happen three years after BoG (781), it would contradict Bulma's statement.

And okay, you're right, though I like these chats, not my intention misrepresenting it.

[Low Tone G]

The timeline shift for BOG you are suggesting would screw up a lot more material than what you are also suggesting as of Toriyama's own DB continuity (Jaco, DB, BOG, ROF...and presumably the JSAT). It actually shifts almost the entire timeline.

Jaco the Galactic Patrolman was written to coincide with Battle of Gods. That's why Beerus' 39 year nap ending in AGE 778 lines up perfectly with the new AGE 739 date for Vegeta's destruction in Dragon Ball Minus. If you shift it back, Goku ends up being born 3 years prior around 734, Vegeta would be destroyed and Jaco would take place in 737, 10 years later the series would start in AGE 747, Saiyans invade in 759, Buu in 772, the JSAT being states as 2 years after Buu would now be in 774, etc.

There's still unconsistency between Bulma's and Goku's age difference. From the manga we know that Bulma is 4 years older than Goku. But the difference would shrink to 2-3 years if Bulma was 5 years old when Kakarot(Goku) was 2-3 years old.

I'm fine the new reveal of Toriyama that planet Vegeta's destruction took place in AGE 739, but then Bulma should have been 6-7 years old in Jaco to be consistent with original manga.

As for the on-going Alternate history theory...

It's a fine theory but why would need Freeza to train if he hasn't been beaten, and why would plan his revenge against the Saiyans(as it was stated earlier)?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

There's still unconsistency between Bulma's and Goku's age difference. From the manga we know that Bulma is 4 years older than Goku. But the difference would shrink to 2-3 years if Bulma was 5 years old when Kakarot(Goku) was 2-3 years old.

I'm fine the new reveal of Toriyama that planet Vegeta's destruction took place in AGE 739, but then Bulma should have been 6-7 years old in Jaco to consistent with original manga.

Again, suggesting an alternate thread to prevent the off-topicness if you guys really want to have these conversations, but...

739-733 = 6 and Bluma is 5, going on 6 that year.
739-737 = 2, but if born at the beginning of 737, you'd have around another 11 extra months before it technically becomes 3. Goku was in the incubator for almost 3 years.

It can be a tight fit, but it does work without problem.

[sintzu]

Sorry if this has already been posted :

http://dragonblogz.com/revival-of-f-sai ... sue-scans/

[Low Tone G]

There's still unconsistency between Bulma's and Goku's age difference. From the manga we know that Bulma is 4 years older than Goku. But the difference would shrink to 2-3 years if Bulma was 5 years old when Kakarot(Goku) was 2-3 years old.

I'm fine the new reveal of Toriyama that planet Vegeta's destruction took place in AGE 739, but then Bulma should have been 6-7 years old in Jaco to consistent with original manga.

Again, suggesting an alternate thread to prevent the off-topicness if you guys really want to have these conversations, but...

739-733 = 6 and Bluma is 5, going on 6 that year.
739-737 = 2, but if born at the beginning of 737, you'd have around another 11 extra months before it technically becomes 3. Goku was in the incubator for almost 3 years.

It can be a tight fit, but it does work without problem.

Thanks... please link me a theard to continue discussing....

[Bullza]

In Battle of Gods Bulma said she was 38 years old but that doesn't make any sense either.

She was 16 at the start of the series, 22 at the end of DB, 27 at the start of DBZ, 28/29 (I forget) by the Trunks saga, 31/32 by the Android saga, 38/39 by the Buu saga and then should be 42/43 in Battle of Gods.

Unless she was just lying.

[Low Tone G]

In Battle of Gods Bulma said she was 38 years old but that doesn't make any sense either.

She was 16 at the start of the series, 22 at the end of DB, 27 at the start of DBZ, 28/29 (I forget) by the Trunks saga, 31/32 by the Android saga, 38/39 by the Buu saga and then should be 42/43 in Battle of Gods.

Unless she was just lying.

The only in-universe explanation is that she was lying. An out of universe would that Toriyama and/or Toei didn't really count her correct age. I would really see Beerus to back to Earth in Fukkatsu no F to finally taste the pudding. I'd love to see Bulma to reveal her correct age and admit she was lying when slapped Beers.

[Chuquita]

Only a matter of time, guys: ANN posted a VJump leak about a new, unrelated, DB 3DS game (because of course that gets leaked ahead of F news. >_< ) meaning early copies of VJump are now out there. @_@ It could be today!

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Yeah, I'm a little surprised that Extreme Butoden got leaked first. It could have just been less information to translate though. I dunno, we'll get the info eventually.

[Low Tone G]

Only a matter of time, guys: ANN posted a VJump leak about a new, unrelated, DB 3DS game (because of course that gets leaked ahead of F news. >_< ) meaning early copies of VJump are now out there. @_@ It could be today!

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