MistareFusion's Dragon Ball Dissection! (Updated 3/16/26!)

[dbzfan7]

So, for at least the past three years, and, hell, longer, since I had to come up with the scores before I even started, I had to do serious soul searching to figure out whether that feeling was because of nostalgia or because I analytically believed that the TV series picked up on opportunities that Toriyama seemed to just completely drop or gloss over. And, well, ultimately, I've largely come to accept I feel it's the latter. But I still feel compelled to tread carefully in these waters and double and triple check my own feelings.

Goes to show people may just gloss over the good Toei has brought, and just focus on Toei being evil people who can't do anything with Toriyama's series.

[Gaffer Tape]

At the very least, it's been reassuring starting the DBD TV series and realizing that, even in places in the series where I'd never seen the TV version prior to it, and all my nostalgia was for the manga, I still thought Toei improved on elements (ex. my recent 22nd Budoukai video).

[dbzfan7]

At the very least, it's been reassuring starting the DBD TV series and realizing that, even in places in the series where I'd never seen the TV version prior to it, and all my nostalgia was for the manga, I still thought Toei improved on elements (ex. my recent 22nd Budoukai video).

I agree. I see so many complaints about Toei, when they've actually done some real good expanding on Dragon Ball. Though I'm not at all fond of some of their ideas regarding hell, like bad guys keeping their bodies while good guys who aren't special still lose theirs.

[jcogginsa]

At the very least, it's been reassuring starting the DBD TV series and realizing that, even in places in the series where I'd never seen the TV version prior to it, and all my nostalgia was for the manga, I still thought Toei improved on elements (ex. my recent 22nd Budoukai video).

I agree. I see so many complaints about Toei, when they've actually done some real good expanding on Dragon Ball. Though I'm not at all fond of some of their ideas regarding hell, like bad guys keeping their bodies while good guys who aren't special still lose theirs.

Well, it's possible Bad guys who aren't special don't keep theirs. IIRC, we do see soul puffs in hell

[dbzfan7]

At the very least, it's been reassuring starting the DBD TV series and realizing that, even in places in the series where I'd never seen the TV version prior to it, and all my nostalgia was for the manga, I still thought Toei improved on elements (ex. my recent 22nd Budoukai video).

I agree. I see so many complaints about Toei, when they've actually done some real good expanding on Dragon Ball. Though I'm not at all fond of some of their ideas regarding hell, like bad guys keeping their bodies while good guys who aren't special still lose theirs.

Well, it's possible Bad guys who aren't special don't keep theirs. IIRC, we do see soul puffs in hell

I'm pretty sure that's how it is, and I find that concept really stupid that any bad person keeps their body. It should be only the really good people. Everyone is is reincarnated like Piccolo suggested.

[Captain Space]

I'm pretty sure that's how it is, and I find that concept really stupid that any bad person keeps their body.

Wasn't the person you're replying to saying that they don't all keep their bodies, only the special ones like with good people?

[dbzfan7]

I'm pretty sure that's how it is, and I find that concept really stupid that any bad person keeps their body.

Wasn't the person you're replying to saying that they don't all keep their bodies, only the special ones like with good people?

I read it as normal bad guys don't keep their bodies, but the really evil ones seem to keep them in toei filler.

[Doctor.]

Toei filler? Are we disregarding F? Really bad guys keep their bodies in both versions of Hell we've got so far.

[dbzfan7]

Toei filler? Are we disregarding F? Really bad guys keep their bodies in both versions of Hell we've got so far.

Well we only saw Freeza...for some reason. Everyone else pretty much was reincarnated as far as I know.

[Doctor.]

Toei filler? Are we disregarding F? Really bad guys keep their bodies in both versions of Hell we've got so far.

Well we only saw Freeza...for some reason. Everyone else pretty much was reincarnated as far as I know.

I really just figured that just because we only saw Freeza, it doesn't mean that there aren't other villains in the same Hell; or that every villain has his personal Hell. Or that every villain actually keeps his body in Hell whilst enduring the purification process but Freeza just took a ridiculous amount of time to get reincarnated. I'd imagine Cell would take the same amount of time to purify or even longer, so I don't doubt that he's going through the same punishment as Freeza.

[dbzfan7]

Toei filler? Are we disregarding F? Really bad guys keep their bodies in both versions of Hell we've got so far.

Well we only saw Freeza...for some reason. Everyone else pretty much was reincarnated as far as I know.

I really just figured that just because we only saw Freeza, it doesn't mean that there aren't other villains in the same Hell; or that every villain has his personal Hell. Or that every villain actually keeps his body in Hell whilst enduring the purification process but Freeza just took a ridiculous amount of time to get reincarnated. I'd imagine Cell would take the same amount of time to purify or even longer, so I don't doubt that he's going through the same punishment as Freeza.

I would think everyone simply loses their body...cause if Freeza has his...he'd have his powers. Then again Yemma was commented for beating Raditz...so maybe they do keep them?

[Captain Space]

I would think everyone simply loses their body...cause if Freeza has his...he'd have his powers. Then again Yemma was commented for beating Raditz...so maybe they do keep them?

Well, saiyan saga Vegeta's stronger than King Kai who's stronger than Yemma, sooooo...I don't think he'd be much help against the likes of...really any serious villain from Namek and onwards.

[dbzfan7]

I would think everyone simply loses their body...cause if Freeza has his...he'd have his powers. Then again Yemma was commented for beating Raditz...so maybe they do keep them?

Well, saiyan saga Vegeta's stronger than King Kai who's stronger than Yemma, sooooo...I don't think he'd be much help against the likes of...really any serious villain from Namek and onwards.

What I mean is Yemma makes a big deal stopping Raditz...so maybe Raditz somehow had his body? It makes no sense later, but I just remember that quote. Shouldn't everyone but special good people be puff balls?

[Doctor.]

Well, Enma didn't really confirm Raditz kept his body. What happened was that Goku asked if he saw Raditz coming in, Enma said he sent him to Hell, and Goku got surprised he was able to force him to go there. It's possible Raditz came in as spirit and in Hell was given his body for, uh, torture purposes like Freeza in F.

[dbzfan7]

Well, Enma didn't really confirm Raditz kept his body. What happened was that Goku asked if he saw Raditz coming in, Enma said he sent him to Hell, and Goku got surprised he was able to force him to go there. It's possible Raditz came in as spirit and in Hell was given his body for, uh, torture purposes like Freeza in F.

Well I don't think I should bring much movie talk here...so probably not the best to turn this comment section into an FNF thread.

[Gaffer Tape]

I don't want to stifle debate in any way. And I'm really excited whenever something I've said sparks debate. But, yeah, I am trying to avoid new movie spoilers, so I would certainly appreciate it if we wouldn't go too in-depth about it here. ^_^

[rereboy]

I agree. I see so many complaints about Toei, when they've actually done some real good expanding on Dragon Ball. Though I'm not at all fond of some of their ideas regarding hell, like bad guys keeping their bodies while good guys who aren't special still lose theirs.

They did more harm than good. My nostalgia is for the anime since that's what I watched as a kid and I only read the manga when I was an adult, and I believe that the manga is clearly superior. Some things are better in the anime, but not enough to compensate.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Well, coming back around, I can say I agree with GafferFusion thus far. Introducing Radditz without a sign of Goku says a lot with a little, its also one of my favorite fights, and Snake Way is such a nothing; I could understand Toriyama having no idea what to do with a world as endlessly huge and abstract as the afterlife, but its the simplest plausible trial imaginable! Who built it? What purpose does it serve if falling down into Hell over the edge is clearly the wrong way for someone to go there?

...When "Sinners in the Hands of Angry God" came up I thought you taking us down some elaborate satirical ruse (relative to the material inspiring it), but then you brought it back around to actual complaint. If the goal was the to mislead you succeeded!

I feel like there should be more to say about Gohan, but I guess there is nothing to him yet and Goku's nonchalant attitude to his existence just renders him a thing that happened.

[Gaffer Tape]

So with Gohan, while I did already have an idea of when I really wanted to delve into his character (I'm at least trying to keep some semblance of grouping topics together), it really only did just occur to me when I finished this video that I haven't said much about Gohan at all up to this point. But that was really more of a realization that, up to this point, there's really nothing to say about Gohan. So far his biggest moment has been his attack on Raditz, which is definitely a big deal, but, again, I'd rather save that discussion to when it's actually had a chance to develop more. But aside from that, he was mostly quiet and out of the way or just plain literally locked up out of sight. I don't really think that's anything to do with Goku. He certainly seemed keen to introduce him and show him off. But he's really more of a real little kid at this point. Of course he's not really conversing with the adults. Of course he's little more than an object to be carted around. He's four! Or three! Something like that! So he's hardly the same Gohan who's palling around with his father's adult friends yet. And while I'd always known that, it still did surprise me how long I've gone without really needing to talk much about him.

[MarCas92]

Well, in any case I can't help but feel the next video will probably focus the most on Gohan.