What phrases/opinions/things bring out your irate fanboy?

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

or Goku as ''Zero''

Or Dragon Ball (object) as Ball of Fire

[soduh2]

The say vs. "s-eye" pronunciation debate has bothered me recently after watching Dragon Ball Super. I understand that Sai is pronounced S-eye (like the weapon) and it explains the Saiya-jin name pun (Yasai). However, watching dragon ball super I here some characters pronounce Saiya-jin with the "say" pronunciation (Whis and Beerus in particular). While others (Goku or Vegeta) use S-eye. I'm wondering if it has something to do with casual vs proper Japanese phonetics.

They are not pronouncing it that way, with the one exception of an entire scene early on based around not remembering what the word was ("say" vs "soy" vs "sai"). You are not hearing them regularly pronouncing it a la FUNimation's English dub.

I'll take your word for it, but I must be going crazy. I'm watching episode 11 I hear "S-eye" from Piccolo and Beerus and "Say" from the narrator (though the narrator uses S-eye in episode 10).

[rereboy]

No. That's wrong. Just because some dubs use it doesn't make it okay. The pun and name is Beers/Beerus. Even Japan spelled his name in English letters as Beers. Bills was only on some 3rd party 3DS XL case. If your Latin America dub called Darth Vader "Durth Bader" would you be so eager to defend that even though it's wrong? Just because one place says something doesn't make it true.

Fans can use whatever officially used name they want to refer to a character. Bills is used officially. Your dislike for it and the fact that the name used might not be the original or the best suited, doesn't mean that it hasn't been officially used and that a fan is not free to use it if that is his preference. That's all.

[Absolute Ice]

Fans can use whatever officially used name they want to refer to a character. Bills is used officially. Your dislike for it and the fact that the name used might not be the original or the best suited, doesn't mean that it hasn't been officially used and that a fan is free to use it if that is his preference. That's all.

Thank you for this fact.

Not to mention "puns" do not work in every language like in English (generally the source of the pun).

[Polyphase Avatron]

People calling Beerus as ''Bills''.

And there is nothing wrong with it as well. Some official dubs use that way.

No. That's wrong. Just because some dubs use it doesn't make it okay. The pun and name is Beers/Beerus. Even Japan spelled his name in English letters as Beers. Bills was only on some 3rd party 3DS XL case. If your Latin America dub called Darth Vader "Durth Bader" would you be so eager to defend that even though it's wrong? Just because one place says something doesn't make it true.

I thought his real name was The Peaceful Is Willing To.

[dbzfan7]

People calling Beerus as ''Bills''.

Even worse, people who defend that spelling and refuse to switch because some foreign dubs used it. We don't don't say Goku's Saiyan name is "Cachalote" or that the Kamehameha is called the "Vital Wave" now do we?

or Goku as ''Zero''

Hey Bongo is an official name for Krillin, so he can be called Bongo dammit.

[Faustus]

Well, I'm always irate.

...But it really irks me sometimes when folks will take Dragon Ball or even Toriyama in general to be incapable of any kind of subtlety or nuance -- or something to that effect -- just because the series is visually loud and exuberant in general. It's not Shakespeare, but, man, Vegeta is not the only character who develops, and Goku is far from the static, one-dimensional character he is believed by many to be.

Oh, and what really kicks my irateness up to eleven is the (it seems) obligatory, ritualistic condemnation of GT whenever it comes up in conversation, even if only tangentially. ...What is it with this fandom? Geez.

EDIT: Oh oh oh, and this is a huge one: people who go round holding Toriyama accountable for aspects of the franchise he has absolutely nothing to do with (like, I dunno -- just off the top of my head -- the quality of Super's animation, say). Drives me bonkers. Get informed, for sanity's sake.

[Lunatic Fringe]

The notion that Vegeta is a better dad than Goku. Now, if you want to make an argument based off of plausible observations and make your own theories, that's fine by me. The problem is, for the most part, at least from what I observe, such a stance is based on the grounds of Vegeta promising to take Trunks to the amusement park or any fan service scene of him folding his arms and grumbling as he unwillingly tags along his family for a family outing. It's like the fact of Vegeta never almost killing Trunks' source of monetary comfort, just to goad his rival in a pissing contest, never happened. Oh yeah, speaking of his rival, he's also the worst dad of the year for "forcing Gohan to fight" and "sacrificing his sons to die as Kid Buu blows up the Earth". It's bad enough to contort one person's actions to fit a narrative but making someone else look worse is just an exercise of sad desperation.

[Kuririn Fan]

Well, I'm always irate.

...But it really irks me sometimes when folks will take Dragon Ball or even Toriyama in general to be incapable of any kind of subtlety or nuance -- or something to that effect -- just because the series is visually loud and exuberant in general. It's not Shakespeare, but, man, Vegeta is not the only character who develops, and Goku is far from the static, one-dimensional character he is believed by many to be.

Oh, and what really kicks my irateness up to eleven is the (it seems) obligatory, ritualistic condemnation of GT whenever it comes up in conversation, even if only tangentially. ...What is it with this fandom? Geez.

EDIT: Oh oh oh, and this is a huge one: people who go round holding Toriyama accountable for aspects of the franchise he has absolutely nothing to do with (like, I dunno -- just off the top of my head -- the quality of Super's animation, say). Drives me bonkers. Get informed, for sanity's sake.

GT truly deserves all the hate it gets...

[supersaiyan DbZ fan]

people saying:
"The japanese dub sucks! Goku sounds like a girl"
"Dragon Ball is always the same thing, villain appears, everyone gets beating up and Goku finishes the villain with Genki-Dama"
"DBZ is a stupid cartoon" (my one classmate keeps saying this everytime DB super is mentioned)
I hate those stupid dbz parodies (aside from DBZ Abridged), those with horrible animations, an example of this is: Goku vs. the world, "Dragonzball PeePee" (youtube), etc.

I really hate those people.

[supersaiyan DbZ fan]

GT truly deserves all the hate it gets...

Please don't hold this against me, I've come to accept it as at least a sidestory ending to the franchise.
They finally airing it again after 11 years on TV in my country.

[Kuririn Fan]

GT truly deserves all the hate it gets...

Please don't hold this against me, I've come to accept it as at least a sidestory ending to the franchise.
They finally airing it again after 11 years on TV in my country.

The only good thing about GT is that it's short and thus easily ignored.

[Dbzfan94]

Well, I'm always irate.

...But it really irks me sometimes when folks will take Dragon Ball or even Toriyama in general to be incapable of any kind of subtlety or nuance -- or something to that effect -- just because the series is visually loud and exuberant in general. It's not Shakespeare, but, man, Vegeta is not the only character who develops, and Goku is far from the static, one-dimensional character he is believed by many to be.

Oh, and what really kicks my irateness up to eleven is the (it seems) obligatory, ritualistic condemnation of GT whenever it comes up in conversation, even if only tangentially. ...What is it with this fandom? Geez.

EDIT: Oh oh oh, and this is a huge one: people who go round holding Toriyama accountable for aspects of the franchise he has absolutely nothing to do with (like, I dunno -- just off the top of my head -- the quality of Super's animation, say). Drives me bonkers. Get informed, for sanity's sake.

GT truly deserves all the hate it gets...

I think you just proved his point.

[Kuririn Fan]

Well, I'm always irate.

...But it really irks me sometimes when folks will take Dragon Ball or even Toriyama in general to be incapable of any kind of subtlety or nuance -- or something to that effect -- just because the series is visually loud and exuberant in general. It's not Shakespeare, but, man, Vegeta is not the only character who develops, and Goku is far from the static, one-dimensional character he is believed by many to be.

Oh, and what really kicks my irateness up to eleven is the (it seems) obligatory, ritualistic condemnation of GT whenever it comes up in conversation, even if only tangentially. ...What is it with this fandom? Geez.

EDIT: Oh oh oh, and this is a huge one: people who go round holding Toriyama accountable for aspects of the franchise he has absolutely nothing to do with (like, I dunno -- just off the top of my head -- the quality of Super's animation, say). Drives me bonkers. Get informed, for sanity's sake.

GT truly deserves all the hate it gets...

I think you just proved his point.

GT isn't loved by a majority of fans so of course that there's a high chance of obligatory, ritualistic condemnation whenever it comes up in conversation. Anyway, i don't wanna talk about GT anymore, it just doesn't seem right. It is best to be ignored, like it is.

[Dbzfan94]

GT isn't loved by a majority of fans so of course that there's a high chance of obligatory, ritualistic condemnation whenever it comes up in conversation. Anyway, i don't wanna talk about GT anymore, it just doesn't seem right. It is best to be ignored, like it is.

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Why are you bring so dismissive? This is the second time you've just completely dismissed any type of conversation with me specfically. Both times I brought up solid points and you respond with is essentially "I don't care, we're done here." Honestly it's coming off as really rude. This is a forum where there's meant to be discussion.

In this particular case, the sub-topic was people overhating on GT every chance they got, which you (maybe not on purpose) proved. Not to mini-mod, but you don't have to reply, fine, but being so dismissive like that for no reason isn't really helping anyone.

[Kuririn Fan]

GT isn't loved by a majority of fans so of course that there's a high chance of obligatory, ritualistic condemnation whenever it comes up in conversation. Anyway, i don't wanna talk about GT anymore, it just doesn't seem right. It is best to be ignored, like it is.

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Why are you bring so dismissive? This is the second time you've just completely dismissed any type of conversation with me specfically. Both times I brought up solid points and you respond with is essentially "I don't care, we're done here." Honestly it's coming off as really rude. This is a forum where there's meant to be discussion.

In this particular case, the sub-topic was people overhating on GT every chance they got, which you (maybe not on purpose) proved. Not to mini-mod, but you don't have to reply, fine, but being so dismissive like that for no reason isn't really helping anyone.[/quote]
There is really no need to discuss GT. It has been done many times before.

[VegettoEX]

There is really no need to discuss GT. It has been done many times before.

Not every person has had every chance in the world to discuss what they want to discuss with new groups of people. No-one here - other than the administration and moderators, of course! - is in any position to shut down someone else's conversation.

(Also, folks... please proof your posts before making them. Click that "Preview" button. There are tons of broken quotes here.)

[EXBadguy]

To be quite honest, the more GT gets condemned, the more I like GT over the last two new movies, so bring on the hate!

[MarCas92]

I understand people not liking GT, but it just really grinds my gears when people just call it absolute garbage and that it has no redeeming value and should just be forgotten forever.

What about that score?
What about the cool villains and/or their designs?
What about its ideas?
What about taking small plot points and making whole arcs out of them?
What about SSJ4?

Are you telling me none of these things have any positive qualities to them? I personally really like GT for all the things I mentioned above. I even think it's stronger than DBZ in some areas. I like the humor and adventure in the first arc. I like how there isn't any useless filler and almost everything is part of the story.

I understand not liking GT. It's valid, but I just don't understand how people treat it like garbage. It's not. There was clear effort here. Effort to make a follow up to one of the most influential animes of all time. It wasn't perfect, but neither was Z or the original for that matter. I think it's time for people to give GT another shot and give it an honest look instead of just going along with the negative hive mind.

[Kuririn Fan]

I understand people not liking GT, but it just really grinds my gears when people just call it absolute garbage and that it has no redeeming value and should just be forgotten forever.

What about that score?
What about the cool villains and/or their designs?
What about its ideas?
What about taking small plot points and making whole arcs out of them?
What about SSJ4?

Are you telling me none of these things have any positive qualities to them? I personally really like GT for all the things I mentioned above. I even think it's stronger than DBZ in some areas. I like the humor and adventure in the first arc. I like how there isn't any useless filler and almost everything is part of the story.

I understand not liking GT. It's valid, but I just don't understand how people treat it like garbage. It's not. There was clear effort here. Effort to make a follow up to one of the most influential animes of all time. It wasn't perfect, but neither was Z or the original for that matter. I think it's time for people to give GT another shot and give it an honest look instead of just going along with the negative hive mind.

I don't hate GT, i don't think it's garbage, i like baby and shadow dragons arcs, ssj4 goku & vegeta & gogeta among some other things.