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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:46 pm

JEJ isn't what he used to be. Nozawa had definitely declined as time passes, but no, her goofy Goku does not intrude all the time like you seem to think. However, she has lost quite a bit of range, and she compensates by lengthening her speech to correspond with the tone of the character she's playing. Her decline from my crazy perspective only comes from aging.
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Post by ABED » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:52 pm

I think Greenwood tries to hard.

And I don't think Nozawa does compensate. Her performance has suffered due to age. It is what it is.
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Post by kinisking » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:20 pm

I hope Gohan's book img hat educated the population on ki becomes Canon. It makes perfect sense for the character and is really cool.
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Re: Non-thread-worthy discussions

Post by 8000 Saiyan » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:27 pm

Doctor. wrote:Who else thinks Chris Ayres would do a good Joker?
That's a perfect casting choice.
ABED wrote:I think Greenwood tries to hard.

And I don't think Nozawa does compensate. Her performance has suffered due to age. It is what it is.
I don't see how Greenwood tries too hard. Personally, I'd take him over current Conroy. It's clear that Conroy is tired of playing Batman.

Out of all the Funimation actors, I could see J. Michael Tatum being a good Batman.
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Post by MarCas92 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:32 pm

Does anyone have a hi res scan of the poster that came with the American release of Budokai 1 on the PS2? The front is a shot of Goku SS powering up while his arms from the Cell games and the back is all the characters and move sets.
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Post by ABED » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:08 pm

You say it's clear, I don't. Conroy sounds effortlessly tough, whereas Greenwood is not only too old to play a Batman of that age, his voice sounds like a guy trying to sound like Batman because he's using a "Listen to me, don't I sound tough!" voice.
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Post by 8000 Saiyan » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:30 pm

ABED wrote:You say it's clear, I don't. Conroy sounds effortlessly tough, whereas Greenwood is not only too old to play a Batman of that age, his voice sounds like a guy trying to sound like Batman because he's using a "Listen to me, don't I sound tough!" voice.
What do you think of Roger Craig Smith's Batman in Arkham Origins? Does he try too hard for you?
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Post by Doctor. » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:31 pm

The DB Evolution game was better than the actual movie :lol:

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Post by ABED » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:32 am

8000 Saiyan wrote:
ABED wrote:You say it's clear, I don't. Conroy sounds effortlessly tough, whereas Greenwood is not only too old to play a Batman of that age, his voice sounds like a guy trying to sound like Batman because he's using a "Listen to me, don't I sound tough!" voice.
What do you think of Roger Craig Smith's Batman in Arkham Origins? Does he try too hard for you?
I don't play video games so I can't say.
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Post by huzaifa_ahmed » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:46 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
ABED wrote:I'm not sick of Conroy, but Hamill's voice is VERY different, but I do think Ayres would be an interesting choice.
I would say Hamill still has it in him but Conroy sounds so phoned in and bored nowadays. The only reason it works in Justice League Action is because Batman not caring anymore is kind of his shtick and where most of the comedy about him comes from.
I honestly like Troy Baker's Telltale Batman performance better than I do Conroy's current ones. & yeah, as other said, Bruce Greenwood's Batman's awesome. That being said, I also think Steven Blum, Mark Hamill, Charlie Adler (thanks 8000), & (if Ryusei Nakao were to be unavailable) Shuichi Ikeda would make good Freeza, in reverse.

* Chris Ayres as Starscream, another similar American role to Joker/Freeza, would be very good as well. Now we just need Hasbro & DC to have a project low-budget enough to send to Texas, like that recent Halo Legends anime.

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Post by huzaifa_ahmed » Thu Dec 22, 2016 2:03 pm

Doctor. wrote:The DB Evolution game was better than the actual movie :lol:
Not to mention Yuri Lowenthal was a pretty dang solid Goku, & I could honestly see him beating everyone else if he got to do it long enough. It's pretty close to his character type.

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Post by Doctor. » Thu Dec 22, 2016 2:45 pm

This is a little thing that has always irked me. During the Kaioken x20 scene in Kai, at 1:22, Toei inserted a punch sound effect when Freeza dodged the hit.

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Thu Dec 22, 2016 3:45 pm

8000 Saiyan wrote:
Doctor. wrote:Who else thinks Chris Ayres would do a good Joker?
That's a perfect casting choice.
ABED wrote:I think Greenwood tries to hard.

And I don't think Nozawa does compensate. Her performance has suffered due to age. It is what it is.
I don't see how Greenwood tries too hard. Personally, I'd take him over current Conroy. It's clear that Conroy is tired of playing Batman.

Out of all the Funimation actors, I could see J. Michael Tatum being a good Batman.
Conroy has never been THAT good as fans say. It's all from nostalgia. Greenwood and Weller have gave the best Batman voice performances in UtR and TDKR. Conroy is definitely better than that O'mara chap that WB are using for the animated movies though.

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Post by 8000 Saiyan » Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:20 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
8000 Saiyan wrote:
Doctor. wrote:Who else thinks Chris Ayres would do a good Joker?
That's a perfect casting choice.
ABED wrote:I think Greenwood tries to hard.

And I don't think Nozawa does compensate. Her performance has suffered due to age. It is what it is.
I don't see how Greenwood tries too hard. Personally, I'd take him over current Conroy. It's clear that Conroy is tired of playing Batman.

Out of all the Funimation actors, I could see J. Michael Tatum being a good Batman.
Conroy has never been THAT good as fans say. It's all from nostalgia. Greenwood and Weller have gave the best Batman voice performances in UtR and TDKR. Conroy is definitely better than that O'mara chap that WB are using for the animated movies though.
Those performances are better than Conroy's current performances, but they're not as good as Conroy's performances in BTAS and JL/JLU.
huzaifa_ahmed wrote: I honestly like Troy Baker's Telltale Batman performance better than I do Conroy's current ones. & yeah, as other said, Bruce Greenwood's Batman's awesome. That being said, I also think Steven Blum, Mark Hamill, Charlie Adler (thanks 8000), & (if Ryusei Nakao were to be unavailable) Shuichi Ikeda would make good Freeza, in reverse.

* Chris Ayres as Starscream, another similar American role to Joker/Freeza, would be very good as well. Now we just need Hasbro & DC to have a project low-budget enough to send to Texas, like that recent Halo Legends anime.
John Kassir, Daran Norris, Frank Welker (If he made his Joker voice more threatening and less campy), Chris Latta (had he lived) and Dee Bradley Baker could also be great voices for Frieza in my opinion.
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Post by ABED » Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:49 pm

Conroy has never been THAT good as fans say. It's all from nostalgia. Greenwood and Weller have gave the best Batman voice performances in UtR and TDKR. Conroy is definitely better than that O'mara chap that WB are using for the animated movies though.
I don't agree on these points AT ALL. THe reason I have nostalgia for Conroy is because he was that good. Greenwood is awful. He's a good actor, but not a good Batman. He's one step above Bale's Batman voice. And why do so many dislike O'Mara? He's way better Greenwood who was doing his damnedest to sound gruff and he's also too old for the role.

Now you all are making me really want to hear Ayres as The Joker, even if it's just a short clip on Youtube.
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Post by ekrolo2 » Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:51 pm

ABED wrote:
Conroy has never been THAT good as fans say. It's all from nostalgia. Greenwood and Weller have gave the best Batman voice performances in UtR and TDKR. Conroy is definitely better than that O'mara chap that WB are using for the animated movies though.
I don't agree on these points AT ALL. THe reason I have nostalgia for Conroy is because he was that good. Greenwood is awful. He's a good actor, but not a good Batman. He's one step above Bale's Batman voice. And why do so many dislike O'Mara? He's way better Greenwood who was doing his damnedest to sound gruff and he's also too old for the role.

Now you all are making me really want to hear Ayres as The Joker, even if it's just a short clip on Youtube.
Someone else likes O'Mara?! I'm pretty sure this is one of the signs of the apocalypse, like common sense on the Internet.... Or Japan grasping the concept of pacing.
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Post by ABED » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:00 pm

I like romance in my stories and I'm not afraid to admit it. I would've preferred Goku with Suno. I don't know why, but it makes more sense to me than him ending up with Chichi because of a joke.
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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:02 pm

ABED wrote:I like romance in my stories and I'm not afraid to admit it. I would've preferred Goku with Suno. I don't know why, but it makes more sense to me than him ending up with Chichi because of a joke.
Him ending up with Snow makes even less sense, though. She was never relevant enough for it to go anywhere, especially not in Toriyama's manga.
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Post by 8000 Saiyan » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:04 pm

O'Mara as Batman is the definition of bland, bland, bland. There are actors who haven't voiced Batman that could have done better than him.
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Post by ABED » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:05 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
ABED wrote:I like romance in my stories and I'm not afraid to admit it. I would've preferred Goku with Suno. I don't know why, but it makes more sense to me than him ending up with Chichi because of a joke.
Him ending up with Snow makes even less sense, though. She was never relevant enough for it to go anywhere, especially not in Toriyama's manga.
It has nothing to do with story. That's not why I've ever liked any particular couple. It's based on chemistry, not plot reasons. They were cute together, characterwise. Suno's bravery is a plus.
There are actors who haven't voiced Batman that could have done better than him.
Greenwood isn't one of them. Bland would also not be my first adjective. O'Mara has a distinctive voice.
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