Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[DanielSSJ]

Actually, Nappa was fighting equally with Goku when calming down. Without calming down, he was nothing. After, his power increased, even Goku admitted that Nappa improved as well as how Goku said the battle would take forever.

He had one decent moment in an otherwise one-sided battle. And I typically view the whole "This will take forever" line as a reference to Nappa's resilience, and Goku trying to conserve power for the even stronger Vegeta. Given how Goku deflected Nappa's Super Ultimate Miracle Mouth Cannon^TM with an uncharged Ki attack, I'd say that there is a sizable gap between the two of them.
I do think it's possible his power increased a bit while fighting Goku, as Toriyama does say that can happen, but I wouldn't put him any higher than 6,000.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Vegeta needs to be close to Freeza for their power struugle to make sense. 450k is the BARE minimum I'd put him after Recoome.

Nappa at 4k puts up a good fight against Goku at 8k.
No wonder Vegeta at 250k could do the same with a little bit of help from his new alien bald midget friend and the son of his new best buddy.

Nappa 4k is when he's fighting the Z Fighters. After he powered up, he got really close to Goku's +8k.

[ZombieVito]

Vegeta needs to be close to Freeza for their power struugle to make sense. 450k is the BARE minimum I'd put him after Recoome.

Nappa at 4k puts up a good fight against Goku at 8k.
No wonder Vegeta at 250k could do the same with a little bit of help from his new alien bald midget friend and the son of his new best buddy.

Nappa 4k is when he's fighting the Z Fighters. After he powered up, he got really close to Goku's +8k.

Nope. He and Vegeta can't change their power levels. This is explicitly stated in the Namek arc.

[Kaboom]

I do think it's possible his power increased a bit while fighting Goku, as Toriyama does say that can happen, but I wouldn't put him any higher than 6,000.

This is the best option for anyone who takes issue with the 4,000 number for Nappa, if you ask me. The quote from Toriyama:

Compared to Beerus, God of Destruction, how strong is [Super Saiyan] God?
I suppose if Beerus’ strength is a 10, [Super Saiyan] God would be right about 6. Only, Saiyans rapidly increase in strength as they fight against strong opponents, so the longer they fought, the more that gap would shrink, and it might even be possible for them to eventually turn the tables. Incidentally, I guess Whis would be about a 15.

The bolded part is the important bit, and similar concepts have been mentioned in other DB works before. So that fits Goku's fight with Nappa pretty much perfectly if you ask me. Nappa's normal, baseline power level is around 4,000, and he doesn't have the ability to willingly raise or lower that. But as he fought Goku, despite the large power gap Nappa's insane resiliency let him hang in there long enough for his power to naturally start rising from the intense fight. By the time he was actually giving Goku a half-decent fight, his PL may have risen to something like 6,000.

It's presumably not a permanent thing though, just a surge in power that happens during the fight itself. If Nappa hadn't gone after Gohan and Kuririn and been beaten, his power level would have dropped back down to normal after he powered down and relaxed after fighting.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Nappa at 4k puts up a good fight against Goku at 8k.
No wonder Vegeta at 250k could do the same with a little bit of help from his new alien bald midget friend and the son of his new best buddy.

Nappa 4k is when he's fighting the Z Fighters. After he powered up, he got really close to Goku's +8k.

Nope. He and Vegeta can't change their power levels. This is explicitly stated in the Namek arc.

They powered up a few times during the battle, and Freeza powered up a lot against the Z Fighters. I think they can power up, but can't suppress.

I do think it's possible his power increased a bit while fighting Goku, as Toriyama does say that can happen, but I wouldn't put him any higher than 6,000.

This is the best option for anyone who takes issue with the 4,000 number for Nappa, if you ask me. The quote from Toriyama:

Compared to Beerus, God of Destruction, how strong is [Super Saiyan] God?
I suppose if Beerus’ strength is a 10, [Super Saiyan] God would be right about 6. Only, Saiyans rapidly increase in strength as they fight against strong opponents, so the longer they fought, the more that gap would shrink, and it might even be possible for them to eventually turn the tables. Incidentally, I guess Whis would be about a 15.

The bolded part is the important bit, and similar concepts have been mentioned in other DB works before. So that fits Goku's fight with Nappa pretty much perfectly if you ask me. Nappa's normal, baseline power level is around 4,000, and he doesn't have the ability to willingly raise or lower that. But as he fought Goku, despite the large power gap Nappa's insane resiliency let him hang in there long enough for his power to naturally start rising from the intense fight. By the time he was actually giving Goku a half-decent fight, his PL may have risen to something like 6,000.

It's presumably not a permanent thing though, just a surge in power that happens during the fight itself. If Nappa hadn't gone after Gohan and Kuririn and been beaten, his power level would have dropped back down to normal after he powered down and relaxed after fighting.

It's makes sense in some battles, like Nappa vs Goku and Vegeta vs Zarbon (2nd Round), but in a lot of battles this adapting power is missing, like in Goku vs Tao and Vegeta vs 18. And even if they powers are always increasing, why this never was mentioned before on the series?

[DBZ Macky]

It's makes sense in some battles, like Nappa vs Goku and Vegeta vs Zarbon (2nd Round), but in a lot of battles this adapting power is missing, like in Goku vs Tao and Vegeta vs 18. And even if they powers are always increasing, why this never was mentioned before on the series?

In both of the fights you mentioned, the losing fighter was shocked beyond belief at his opponent's power, even scared. Nappa was also shocked at first but after he calmed down, he fared better.

I guess you could attribute it to loss of courage.
The gain the Saiyans would make from their racial advantage would be offset by loss of Yuuki.

Just a theory though.

[ekrolo2]

I wouldn't put much stock into anything Toriyama says these days with regards to powers. You can try to make the whole "the longer they fight, the more powerful they get" but besides Nappa, and even that one can be summed up by Goku just not exerting his full power to actually beat him, it doesn't really work.

[Kaboom]

It's makes sense in some battles, like Nappa vs Goku and Vegeta vs Zarbon (2nd Round), but in a lot of battles this adapting power is missing, like in Goku vs Tao and Vegeta vs 18. And even if they powers are always increasing, why this never was mentioned before on the series?

Well, it would depend upon the disadvantaged Saiyan's ability to actually stick it out and keep fighting. In Nappa's case he's not only got natural Saiyan toughness, but is personally also built like a tank, so he was able to endure with minimal damage and keep fighting. But if you just quickly get your ass kicked outright, it's not going to help you.

It's all situational, really, and probably doesn't happen very often. But Nappa vs Goku makes for a perfect example of just such a situation.

[LightBing]

I always interpreted that quote from Mr.Toriyama as not referring to individuals fights, but more the general growth of Saiyans and foreshadowing that he planned for Goku to surpass Beerus, taking a look at the context. Of course he changed his mind about Goku reaching Beerus in the foreseeable future.

Anyway applying this to the Nappa fight doesn't work because of Vegeta. He believes in Nappa even after the "over 8000" line, telling him to calm down and focus. Does Vegeta really think Nappa will double his power, because of Saiyans mumbo jumbo. No, clearly what was holding Nappa back was his mental state. Which was proved to be correct, his performance was very different after he calmed down. Goku was toying with him when he was angry and fighting evenly when he was focused.

[DanielSSJ]

I always interpreted that quote from Mr.Toriyama as not referring to individuals fights, but more the general growth of Saiyans and foreshadowing that he planned for Goku to surpass Beerus, taking a look at the context. Of course he changed his mind about Goku reaching Beerus in the foreseeable future.

Anyway applying this to the Nappa fight doesn't work because of Vegeta. He believes in Nappa even after the "over 8000" line, telling him to calm down and focus. Does Vegeta really think Nappa will double his power, because of Saiyans mumbo jumbo. No, clearly what was holding Nappa back was his mental state. Which was proved to be correct, his performance was very different after he calmed down. Goku was toying with him when he was angry and fighting evenly when he was focused.

Does Vegeta believe in Nappa? I know Vegeta tells Nappa that he can win if he calms down and focuses, but Vegeta was also unhappily thinking to himself that he'll have to step for Nappa and take Goku on himself. Methinks Vegeta gave Nappa false confidence to extend the fight in order to analyze Goku's fighting style and hope that Nappa might be able to injure Goku or tire him out or otherwise render Goku incapable of fighting at full strength.

[LightBing]

I always interpreted that quote from Mr.Toriyama as not referring to individuals fights, but more the general growth of Saiyans and foreshadowing that he planned for Goku to surpass Beerus, taking a look at the context. Of course he changed his mind about Goku reaching Beerus in the foreseeable future.

Anyway applying this to the Nappa fight doesn't work because of Vegeta. He believes in Nappa even after the "over 8000" line, telling him to calm down and focus. Does Vegeta really think Nappa will double his power, because of Saiyans mumbo jumbo. No, clearly what was holding Nappa back was his mental state. Which was proved to be correct, his performance was very different after he calmed down. Goku was toying with him when he was angry and fighting evenly when he was focused.

Does Vegeta believe in Nappa? I know Vegeta tells Nappa that he can win if he calms down and focuses, but Vegeta was also unhappily thinking to himself that he'll have to step for Nappa and take Goku on himself. Methinks Vegeta gave Nappa false confidence to extend the fight in order to analyze Goku's fighting style and hope that Nappa might be able to injure Goku or tire him out or otherwise render Goku incapable of fighting at full strength.

He does until Goku stops Nappa's best attack.
He was the one who told Nappa to stop fighting, so him manipulating Nappa to extend the fight is wrong. If he wanted he could have Nappa fight until he died or was knock-out and like Goku corroborated it would take forever; meaning Goku would either be fatigued, damaged, forced to show more techniques or a combination of the three.

Vegeta's annoyance was because he was forced to step in to take care of some "low-class trash".

[dragonball0900]

I have to agree with LightBing here. Nappa's mental state was actually what was holding him from battling Goku, it was stated in the manga. After calming down, he was battling toe to toe with Goku. Nappa could probably even more than 6,000 if that's the case. Also, if Nappa was only 6,000, that up to 8,000 is the same difference between Cui and Vegeta who were 18,000 and 24,000 respectively. And we know how that fight went. Cui wasn't able to see Vegeta, when Nappa clearly said he was able to see Goku's movements. And the energy attack that Nappa threw to Goku, Goku said if he didn't do something he would have been on trouble. Goku was having problems with Nappa throughout their fight, they were both dodging each one's attacks too.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I have to agree with LightBing here. Nappa's mental state was actually what was holding him from battling Goku, it was stated in the manga. After calming down, he was battling toe to toe with Goku. Nappa could probably even more than 6,000 if that's the case. Also, if Nappa was only 6,000, that up to 8,000 is the same difference between Cui and Vegeta who were 18,000 and 24,000 respectively. And we know how that fight went. Cui wasn't able to see Vegeta, when Nappa clearly said he was able to see Goku's movements. And the energy attack that Nappa threw to Goku, Goku said if he didn't do something he would have been on trouble. Goku was having problems with Nappa throughout their fight, they were both dodging each one's attacks too.

Kui was most likely scared about Vegeta's power, same with Dodoria. I can't see a gap of 33% be enough to one shot your opponent.

[LightBing]

I have to agree with LightBing here. Nappa's mental state was actually what was holding him from battling Goku, it was stated in the manga. After calming down, he was battling toe to toe with Goku. Nappa could probably even more than 6,000 if that's the case. Also, if Nappa was only 6,000, that up to 8,000 is the same difference between Cui and Vegeta who were 18,000 and 24,000 respectively. And we know how that fight went. Cui wasn't able to see Vegeta, when Nappa clearly said he was able to see Goku's movements. And the energy attack that Nappa threw to Goku, Goku said if he didn't do something he would have been on trouble. Goku was having problems with Nappa throughout their fight, they were both dodging each one's attacks too.

Kui was most likely scared about Vegeta's power, same with Dodoria. I can't see a gap of 33% be enough to one shot your opponent.

I did an analysis some time ago about power gaps, I'll quote myself below. As you can see I think 33% is more than enough to one shot people.

[spoiler]So going back to your original question, if we want to be objective we can only evaluate fight's in the manga where it's know both opponents power levels:

Raditz (12xx, said so by Nappa) vs Goku (416) and Piccolo (408) Gap 66%

Raditz owns them both at the same time, there's no dispute that in a head-to-head fight this power difference is more than enough for dominance. I highlight that Goku and Piccolo had the advantage of ki-sensing/modification, besides the surprise factor.
Piccolo would never have been able to hit with his Makankosappo alone and he failed the first time with Goku's help.

Part 1: Goku (8.000) vs Vegeta (18.000) Gap 56%

This is rather short but we see Goku turned into a punching bag, just no chance at all. Another case of dominance.

Part 2: Kaioken x2 Goku (16.000) vs Vegeta (18.000) Gap 12%

This super short, what we see is Goku partially dodging Vegeta's attack. Which indicates that this wouldn't be a one way beat down. However, it appears Goku still wouldn't have any chance of victory in a head-to-head confrontation.

Part 3: Kaioken x3 Goku (24.000) vs Vegeta (18.000) Gap 25%

Vegeta gets dominated. He tries to fight back, failing to hit Goku. This is very one-sided.

Vegeta (24.000) vs Kiwi (18.000) Gap 25%

A panicked and fleeing Kiwi is easily killed by Vegeta. The difference between this fight and the previous gap 25% fight are three factors: Kiwi mental state in here does him harm, he's already a defeated man; Vegeta's toughness to resist Goku onslaught; Goku's suffering the stress of the Kaioken.
I would say there's consistency between both fight's, if we take into account the details and not simply raw power. The result would be the same, the impact changes due to the details.

Nail (42.000) vs First Form Freeza (530.000) Gap 93%
Overkill...

Conclusion: At the very least 25% power advantage is enough to own, even with other factors like toughness, mental state and ki-sensing/modifying advantages. Vegeta is one of the biggest tanks in the series, that wouldn't stop him from losing to Kaioken x3 Goku.
I should note that if you let yourself get hit by a Genki Dama or allow Piccolo to charge his Makankosappo for an hour, you're gonna lose. Special techniques can cover any gap, what I'm discussing is a head-to-head type of confrontation.

Based on other fight's that we can kinda guess the characters power level, I theorize that a gap of 10/15% can be overcome by skill, intelligence, toughness, team work, etc...
10% or less and we should have an entertaining and even fight.[/spoiler]

[apex_pretador]

Would it be right to say Pre RoSaT Super Saiyan Goten and Trunks are above Piccolo?

No. Piccolo was stated to be far above trunks by vegeta, who hasn't met piccolo since BoG, where piccolo was presumably not too much stronger than where he was at buu arc.
Then there is also piccolo getting excited to fight in 25th TB.

How strong can you make the fusions through maximum wanking? This is my attempt using Buu Arc Base Goku as a measuring stick:
[spoiler]Gotenks:
Pre-RoSAT: He was able to survive an encounter with Majin Buu who'd easily killed Vegeta in Base, so this places him well above SSJ2 level. However he couldn't win whereas SSJ3 Goku could, so he's a bit below SSJ3 level.
Base: 350x Goku
SSJ: 17,500x Goku

Post-RoSAT: He's implied to have far surpassed his Pre-RoSAT SSJ in base as Piccolo thinks he'd get crushed as an SSJ Pre-RoSAT but gains hope when he sees Base Gotenks Post RoSAT, so that's a 100x boost at least.
Base: 40,000x Goku
SSJ: 2,000,000x Goku
SSJ3: 16,000,000x Goku

Vegetto:
DBZ: In the anime he's implied to be about as strong as or stronger than Buuhan in base, and Buuhan has Ultimate Gohan's power who's far superior to Gotenks, therefore he's already the strongest being in Z in base.
Base: 50,000,000x Goku.
SSJ: 2,500,000,000x Goku.

Super: First we have to establish SSGod and SSBlue's multipliers. SSGod is far superior to SSJ3 BoG Vegetto who would be a good deal stronger than Buu Arc Vegetto, so let's say SSJ3 Vegetto is at 30,000,000,000x Goku and SSGod Goku is at 150,000,000,000x Buu Arc Goku.

Goku then absorbs this power into base and gains SSBlue which is SSJ combined with the power of SSGod, so let's say it's 50x SSGod's multiplier. This would be a 5,000,000,000,000x multiplier on top of his new SSGod level base which would put him at 750,000,000,000,000,000,000,000x Buu Arc Goku.

Goku then improves a great deal by the tournament and unlocks Kaioken x10, and then by the Trunks Arc he surpasses his Kaioken x10 level in regular SSBlue, so let's say he's become 100x stronger than he was at the start. This would put him at 75,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000x Buu Arc Goku.

Now for Vegetto's power:
Base: 750,000,000,000,000,000,000x Goku.
SSBlue: 3,750,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000x Goku.[/spoiler]

Okay let me try.

Vegeta (M) = 1, SS3 goku = 4,fat buu = 2.5

Base gotenks = 2 (pre) since everyone thought he can beat buu maybe (except piccolo) , SS = 100
Super buu (initial) = 300 (piccolo said they have 0 chance against him)
Base gotenks (post) = 300 (piccolo thought they may have a chance)
SS = 15,000, SS3 = 120,000
Buutenks = 210,000 so mystic gohan = 200,000
Buuhan = 290,000
Base vegetto = 300,000 , SS = 1,500,000 (3,000,000x multiplier)

In BoG, vegeta and goku surpassed gohan, so SS2 vegeta = 250,000 , SS3 goku = 1,000,000,000
SS3 vegetto (useless) = 3,000,000,000,000,000
Rageta (above SS3 vegetto) = 4,000,000,000,000,000

Goku (eevryone's ki) = 10,000,000,000,000,000 (thought he became SSG)
SSG Goku = very high, atleast 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Base goku (RoF) = 60,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (much stronger than ever)
SS Goku = 3,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
SS3 goku = 24,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
SSB Goku = 8,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (far above SS3)
Golden freeza = 12,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (far above SSB)
U6 goku SSB = 200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (ROSAT)
KK x10 = 2,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Black arc SSB = 2,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Black (final base) = 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (survived rage from vegeta)
SSR black = 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
SSB vegetto = 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Beerus = 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times M vegeta (far above SSB vegetto)

If M vegeta's power level is 2 billion,

Beerus = 20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 power level units.

I want to know how strong everyone predicts these fighters to be in these hypothetical scenarios:

Vegeta, Goku, Nappa and Raditz - Ten years after Raditz recruits Goku successfully;

Kuririn - Died against Nappa, trained with the others at Kaio's for the same amount of time as Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu;

Cell - Seven years after the Cell Games, where he defeated everyone before Gohan turned SSJ2.

Please justify your predictions. Hopefully this will generate interesting discussion. Even though this is the thread to post lists, brute numbers without the thought process doesn't stimulate anything, bar the odd figure here and there.

Goku would still have drive to get stronger than everyone. He would train and spar with the saiyans, eventually surpassing Nappa. Raditz doesn't change much. Vegeta trains a bit to keep up with the "prince of all saiyans" title and the fight he has with Cui gets him a zenkai.
Goku = 9761, Raditz = 2010, Nappa = 7990, Vegeta = 21000

76,000. Based on filler of Tien and Yamcha handling ginyu-force members easily and no indication of any human ever getting above ginyu. Him being as strong as Tien helps a lot here in this power up.

Cell is not a type of person who would like to train. He would remain at the exact same level or barely increase.

[Bullza]

Piccolo was stated to be far above trunks by vegeta

When was that?

[dragonball0900]

Well, this time I decided to merge the Namek saga power level list with the Frieza saga one. This time I added commas for everyone to be able to see them. I also changed a couple of things from my other Namek saga power level list.

[spoiler]Weighted Krillin - 1,500
Though he could be suppressed, but it was said by Zarbon about Gohan and Krillin's power levels, they were both around 1,500.

Krillin - 1,850
He was with weighted clothing when there was a 1,500 reading. Goku jumped from 334 to 416 after removing his weighted clothing on the Raditz arc. That's a X1.25. Therefore the same would happen to Krillin too. It's also higher than his Saiyan saga power level of 1,770.

Gohan - 1,500
Remember that Gohan was weaker than Krillin in the Saiyan saga without any enraged boost, although the difference between him and Krillin is much smaller, and their powers were about 1,500.

Enraged Gohan - More than 3,000
I don't think his anger surpassed the 4000 tier, but the 3,000 tie it's possible.

Banan and Sui - Around 1,000
They were defeated by Gohan and Krillin. They could even be less than 1,000, but I wouldn't put them that weak considering that I found them surpassing the 1,000 number.

Cui - 18,000
He is equal to how Vegeta was on earth, which is 18,000, like Dodoria said.

Vegeta - 24,000
As stated by Dodoria in the manga. He was surprised at how Vegeta got to 24,000 when he was before 18,000.

Goku (after recovering from senzu bean) - 13,000
Just a random number for Goku after being on hospital and recovering from the senzu bean. Could be lower, who knows?

The Elder Namekians - 600
Just a random number. Agree with it or not, it's not stated anywhere.

Moori - 900
As the last one, a random number. Strangely, it was said his power is 5,000, but I obviously won't agree with it since he HAS to be weaker than the soldiers and namekians.

The Namekian Warriors - 1,000 (suppressed) - 3,000 (full power)
As said in the manga, it was 1000 when they were suppressed, but after powering up they are 3,000 and were able to defeat Frieza's soldiers.

Frieza's soldiers - Above 1,000.
Appule - 2,000
Personally, they should be between 1,000-2,000. I found Appule to be the strongest of the soldiers, since he was able to survive the battle.

Dodoria - 22,000
As mentioned in the Daizenshuu 7, as well as the fact of how they were more surprised on the 24,000 than the 22,000 reading of Vegeta against Cui.

Zarbon - 23,000
As mentioned in the Daizenshuu 7, as well as the fact of how they were more surprised on the 24,000 than the 22,000 reading of Vegeta against Cui.

Monster Zarbon - 30,000
Some people put him 27,000 or 28,000, but I don't think that's the case since he was fighting evenly with Vegeta and the only reason he lost is because he was conceited, and Vegeta also needed to make a trick of landing dirt to Zarbon's eyes to be able to attack him from behind.

Vegeta (post Zarbon) - 30,000
I changed it to 30,000 since that's what the Daizenshuu 7 said, as well as the "almost 30,000" statement. He's still equal to Monster Zarbon, and Vegeta defeated him due to the tactics he made, as well as Zarbon being very confident, which made him losing the match.

Krillin (post Guru) - 13,000
As mentioned in the Daizenshuu 7, as well as the manga about being "over 10,000", it makes sense for Krillin to be this number, specially since the Guru boost make him 7 times stronger his old strenght, it's a strange coincidence, isn't it?

Gohan (post Guru) - 14,000
As mentioned in the Daizenshuu 7, as well as the manga about being "over 10,000", it makes sense for Gohan to be this number. The Guru boost also made his base state (I mean not enraged) being stronger than Krillin, because obviously since he's a half saiyan, he has to increase his potential more.

Guldo - 8,000
Many people put him below that, around a 6,000 number, I don't think it's wrong, but I personally put him 8,000 since Gohan and Krillin needed to power up to fight him. If Guldo was less than half of their strenght, they wouldn't power up as much as they could.

Recoome - 40,000
It was stated that none of the Ginyu Force, except for Captain Ginyu, could stand a chance against a 60,000 number of power. So all 3 should be around the 40-50 mark. I'd personally put Recoome the weakest of the 3 though.

Burter - 42,500
It was stated that none of the Ginyu Force, except for Captain Ginyu, could stand a chance against a 60,000 number of power. So all 3 should be around the 40-50 mark. I have Burter the next one in power.

Jeice - 45,000
It was stated that none of the Ginyu Force, except for Captain Ginyu, could stand a chance against a 60,000 number of power. So all 3 should be around the 40-50 mark. I would say Jeice is the stronger of the 3, based on how he's supposedly the second in command, as well as his big ki blasts. But on a battle against Burter, he would loose due to Burter's superior speed.

Captain Ginyu - 120,000
As stated in the manga, his level at maximum is 120,000.

Goku - 90,000
Kaioken X2 - 180,000
Kaioken X10 - 900,000
As stated in the Daizenshuu 7, as well as how Ginyu estimated Goku's maximum power. Goku is clearly 90000 also because of the Kaioken X2 being up to 180,000. A Kaioken X10 would surpass Frieza's First Form, and Goku told to Ginyu that the 180,000 number wasn't all of his strenght at all.

Ginyu (in Goku's Body) - 23,000
As said in the manga, Ginyu is clearly 23000 here.

Goku (in Ginyu's Body) - 17,000
I have Goku not accostumed to Ginyu's body in the same way Ginyu was, as well as the same porcentage.

Krillin (post Recoome) - 23,400
Now, the reason I put this number is because 13,000 X1.8 is 23,400, then 23,400 X1.8 and again X.18 is 75,000 (which I get to that later). Anyway, it makes sense since Krillin is able to fight equally with Ginyu in the manga.

Gohan (post Recoome) - 30,000
In the case of Gohan, however, since he's a half saiyan, he would get not only the potential, but also the zenkai. He probably more than doubled his 14,000 from before. 30,000 seems a fine number, since he can't be above Jeice. The reason they didn't defat Ginyu in Goku's body is because they didn't want to hurt Goku's body, Vegeta even said that.

Vegeta (post Recoome) - 160,000
Just like Krillin, here's another sequence of multilpiers which I'll get later when I do the Frieza saga power levels. But I have Vegeta this number because I also have him a boost after having his nap, making him closer to Frieza. All I will say is that he managed to multiply his old power level by 5. It doesn't contradict that he's able to defeat Jeice easily, as well as Captain Ginyu in the anime.

Nail - 42,000
As stated in the manga on Frieza's scouter. Nail is easily Ginyu Force tier.

First Form Frieza - 530,000
Obviously, as stated in the manga.

Vegeta (post nap) - 480,000
Vegeta was able to be toe to toe with First Form Frieza. But Frieza wasn't tired, unlike Vegeta.

Gohan (early Frieza's battle) - 60,000
Enraged Gohan - 900,000
Some people think that 200,000 is the level of Gohan at the start of the battle with Frieza, but I don't think that's the case since the boost is too big. I'd say he doubled his earlier power from 30,000.
Enraged Gohan could easily be 900,000. Frieza was holding back at the time.

Krillin (early Frieza's battle) - 42,000
Krillin gets a x1.8 multiplier from his boosts in order for him to reach 75,000 later. I don't think he reached 75,000 at this point yet. Hence the 42,000 boost.

Piccolo (post King Kai) - 49,000 (weighted) - 62,500
His power was so big that he managed to impress Nail. He wouldn't surpass Goku's 90,000 though.

Second Form Frieza - 1,060,000
In my opinion, Frieza's transformations double his power. It makes a lot of sense that way, considering it is above one million.

Gohan (post Dende) - 200,000
Enraged Gohan - 2,000,000
This is the moment when I think Gohan reached 200,000, which is the official number for Gohan during the battle with Frieza, and I think this number ties in perfectly with the zenkai he received after being healed by Dende.
His enraged form does not surpass Third Form Frieza, but it's close.

Krillin (post Dende) - 75,000
I'm not saying Krillin received a zenkai. I still think that when he was healed by Dende, his power could've reached the 55,000 to 60,000. But after landing his ki blast to Vegeta and fighting Final Form Frieza for a while, he could've reached 75,000 at this point. Remember Guru's unlock potential boost, he would have a 1.8 multiplier, from 13,000 to 23,000. From 23,000 to 42,000. From 42,000 to 75,000. It all makes sense!

Piccolo (fused with Nail) - 1,020,000 (weighted) - 1,300,000
I have Piccolo multiplying his strenght 21 times (that number has relation to 42,000 too). Second Form Frieza's full power was stronger than Piccolo. But when Piccolo took off his weight clothing, everyone were sure that Piccolo would win, Frieza even decided to transform. The anime agrees with this too.

Third Form Frieza - 2,120,000
Frieza doubled his strenght again. Making him much stronger than Piccolo, who was not able to see his movements at all.

Vegeta (post Dende) - 2,400,000
Vegeta could've multiplied his 480,000 by 5 times. Vegeta was able to see Final Form Frieza's movements. He should be stronger than even Third Form Frieza at this point.

Final Form Frieza (holding back) - 3,000,000
Final Form Frieza (no hands) - 6,000,000
50% Final Form Frieza - 60,000,000
70% Final Form Frieza - 84,000,000
100% Final Form Frieza - 120,000,000
This is the only case when I don't think Frieza doubled his power, because if he did, then even Goku would have problems. The gap between 3,000,000 and 24,000,000 is the same as Monster Zarbon vs Vegeta. Vegeta gets stomped.
Goku manages to give Frieza a good warming up. But Goku seems a bit in trouble when Frieza began using no hands.
50% and 100% Frieza are from the Daizenshuu 7. 70% Frieza is the one that Frieza used after the Spirit Bomb as well as fighting SSJ Goku before using full power.

Goku - 3,000,000
Kaioken X2 - 6,000,000
Kaioken X10 - 30,000,000
Kaioken X20 - 60,000,000
SSJ Goku - 150,000,000
Stated in the Daizenshuu 7. Goku has 3,000,000 in base. Kaioken X10 is 30,000,000 and Kaioken X20 is 60,000,000, since it managed to hurt Frieza. SSJ Goku is 150,000,000 stated from the Daizenshuu 7. That's a X50 multiplier.[/spoiler]

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[GreatSaiyaman123]

Well, this time I decided to merge the Namek saga power level list with the Frieza saga one. This time I added commas for everyone to be able to see them. I also changed a couple of things from my other Namek saga power level list.

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Totally agree with you, my list has almost the same numbers. But i would put Goku and Freeza a bit higher, but being weakened by the Spirit Bomb and the Kaioken to the numbers we have on the Daizenshuu. Great Job! I'll be waiting for the Cell and Buu Sagas.

[apex_pretador]

Piccolo was stated to be far above trunks by vegeta

When was that?

You should tag me when replying to me. It was in DB Super when vegeta, who was going to piccolo to request him to join his team, told trunks he is too weak to join withiut fusion.

Vegeta has not seen Piccolo since BoG.

[DBZ Macky]

Would it be right to say Pre RoSaT Super Saiyan Goten and Trunks are above Piccolo?

No. Piccolo was stated to be far above trunks by vegeta, who hasn't met piccolo since BoG, where piccolo was presumably not too much stronger than where he was at buu arc.
Then there is also piccolo getting excited to fight in 25th TB.

I wouldn't say far above. It could mean that Piccolo would be stronger than them as well as have battle experience. Not to mention he'd be the smartest character of the team. I actually have Goten and Trunks surpassing Piccolo (Weighted) post RoSaT, but Piccolo takes the lead again in BoG and RoF.

Although I'm just talking about Weighted Piccolo here. Goku notes in the Anime that Piccolo is "completely different" when he removes his weights.