Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[JulieYBM]

Kei is probably asleep right now, but I figure I'll ask now while I have it on mind: is Super Saiyan 3 used outside of Gokuu's first fight with Burusu? Is Super Saiyan 2 ever used? Thanks!

[Sin]

A new Dragon Ball movie is being rumored among the Japanese fans. I still doubt that it will happen though.

Oh the irony.

Also I like the SSJG form, and I can imagine that it does look different from Kaioken in the way that FSSJ manages to.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But by mentioning him they are directly connecting this continuation of the manga to an OVA (which was more a continuation of the anime since it had anime-exclusive characters, like Gregory). They could just have mentioned Future Trunks.

There is a manga adaptation of the special, that doesn't include Gregory by the way.

Actually, he is there. In the second part.

Oh, right.
Still, I don't care about Gregory appearing in one panel without talking. I'll just consider him an error, and move on. There isn't anything else that contradicts the manga (other than Vegeta's comment not inculding Tarble back when Trunks appeared), so I'll consider the manga version of the JSAT as manga canon.

[soulnova]

Cue next spin-off where Super Saiyan Bardock travels back through time to attempt to save the Saiyan race before Freeza destroys them and becomes the original Super Saiyan God but cannot get enough pure-hearted Saiyans to help him and oh god this is far too likely to get made please stop me from writing any more.

KEEP WRITING AND TAKE MY MONEY.

They definitely need to take the 12 universes somewhere. They wouldn't have said that if they weren't planning on using it! Oh god, I would kill to have a Pre-Freeza OVA about the Saiyans and Planet Saiya.

FYI, Gohan does transform to SSJ when the six Saiyans gather their power...

Oh come on, movie, make up your mind!

This to me just implies that the "Gohan always could become SSj, but it would functionally be useless in battle" theory is true.

Thank you.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Hmm red... At least Ssj4's design makes sense with the red now.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

This to me just implies that the "Gohan always could become SSj, but it would functionally be useless in battle" theory is true.

Either this, or that he can go Super Saiyan as an alternative.

[Marco Polo]

This to me just implies that the "Gohan always could become SSj, but it would functionally be useless in battle" theory is true.

Either this, or that he can go Super Saiyan as an alternative.

Either that, or becoming an SSJ again to summon the Super Saiyan God will permanently cancel his Ultimate power.

[JulieYBM]

Hmm red... At least Ssj4's design makes sense with the red now.

No more than it did before. Why does "Just because" not work for Super Saiyan 4--a transformation that is over a decade old--but "Just because" works for Super Saiyan God? Battle of Gods does not need to validate Dragon Ball GT or anything else, nor does GT need validation.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Either that, or becoming an SSJ again to summon the Super Saiyan God will permanently cancel his Ultimate power.

Nah, I don't see a reason for this.

What makes me curious is, why did Gohan (and I assume Vegeta, Goten, and Trunks as well) had to become a Super Saiyan? "Pan" shouldn't be in the condition to transform, so...?

[Kaboom]

No more than it did before. Why does "Just because" not work for Super Saiyan 4--a transformation that is over a decade old--but "Just because" works for Super Saiyan God? Battle of Gods does not need to validate Dragon Ball GT or anything else, nor does GT need validation.

Even still, it looks like Battle of Gods really COULD "validate" a lot of stuff in GT, whether that was the intent or not.

[fogdark]

Thanks for the sketch Kei. I can sorta see how he'd look like by using your sketch and the drawing we saw on a door in that video.
Well then, time to think, and to join what Kei told us, with the bits and piece we already had before haha

[MagicBox]

Really? Were any of those themes ever released on CD?

Some of GT's background music was released on the CD for the 10th Anniversary movie, but Pan's themes weren't included. Of course, I don't know their official names. I just call them "Pan's Themes" because they played whenever she was in the spotlight. There was a fast version, a slow version, and I think one or two other versions, but it was all the exact same tune, so I just assumed they were all created specifically for Pan.

Slightly irked that there's still no consistency regarding Gohan's Super Saiyan form, but at this point I'm struggling to even care and I barely even cared in the first place.

[JulieYBM]

No more than it did before. Why does "Just because" not work for Super Saiyan 4--a transformation that is over a decade old--but "Just because" works for Super Saiyan God? Battle of Gods does not need to validate Dragon Ball GT or anything else, nor does GT need validation.

Even still, it looks like Battle of Gods really COULD "validate" a lot of stuff in GT, whether that was the intent or not.

Nothing about it would make any more sense then it did before, though. The question stops being "Why does Super Saiyan 4 have red fur?" and starts being "Why is Super Saiyan God red?" There's no real answer and at the end of the day, that's okay.

[Nex Carnifex]

Hmm red... At least Ssj4's design makes sense with the red now.

GT doesn't jive with this movie either, for a number of reasons, one of which is the ages of the Pilaf gang at the beginning...

[Chuquita]

I'm liking that ssjg could be the "perfect" version of kaio-ken or what kaio-ken was inspired by. The "slims the figure down" part is the biggest difference in visuals I can see (what with kaio-ken bulking Goku's muscles up with each consecutive addition kaio-ken x4 was huge if I remember correctly).

I'm sure Kei's gone to sleep by now, but when he's back I hope he can answer if the look of Goku's hair on that Toei office door drawing is accurate to ssjg or if that was something they just dropped along the way and Goku still has his regular base hair style.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Hmm red... At least Ssj4's design makes sense with the red now.

No more than it did before. Why does "Just because" not work for Super Saiyan 4--a transformation that is over a decade old--but "Just because" works for Super Saiyan God? Battle of Gods does not need to validate Dragon Ball GT or anything else, nor does GT need validation.

I just thought Ssj4 having red fur was wired since it came out of nowhere but looking at the most powerful Ssj form having red hair gives Ssj4's design a greater degree of sense.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Hmm red... At least Ssj4's design makes sense with the red now.

GT doesn't jive with this movie either, for a number of reasons, one of which is the ages of the Pilaf gang at the beginning...

You're missing the point of my statement. I'm not implying GT is in the same continuity, I'm implying that the ssj4 having red fur makes sense since the most powerful Ssj form has red hair.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Now I wonder, can Goku go beyond Super Saiyan now? And if he does, does his power stay the same, or it gets down? I doubt he can power up from his godly Super Saiyan form to a godly Super Saiyan 3, otherwise, he would have defeated Bills. I guess Goku's Super Saiyan form is now something like Gohan's base from: Goku can either transform into normal Super Saiyan & go beyond it, or he can tap to his godly power in Super Saiyan, but without being able to go beyond Super Saiyan. Same for Gohan, he can either transform from base to Super Saiyan & beyond, or tap to his dormant powers in his base form, but without being able to transform.

[Kaboom]

Nothing about it would make any more sense then it did before, though.

Well, there is one main thing I've already mentioned a few times; Goku being insanely overpowered compared to all the other heroes, which might be explained if he really can tap into the power of Super Saiyan God whenever he needs it. That alone would suddenly make GT a lot more coherent.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Either that, or becoming an SSJ again to summon the Super Saiyan God will permanently cancel his Ultimate power.

Nah, I don't see a reason for this.

What makes me curious is, why did Gohan (and I assume Vegeta, Goten, and Trunks as well) had to become a Super Saiyan? "Pan" shouldn't be in the condition to transform, so...?

Pan is being born to the most powerful Saiyan... Pan will be incredibly powerful, not to mention Trunks and Goten transformed very early.