"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Pannaliciour]

In this chapter Beerus said to kaioshin I have a task for you. What did he mean by that?

[Bullza]

You know what should have been done, the summaries Herms has made for these chapters which easily get lost in the hundreds of pages should have just been put onto the first post of the thread so they were quick and easy to find.

[LightBing]

Finally had time to calmly read the chapter. It was good.

I enjoy how Black allowed Trunks to escape, makes the scenario more believable. Trunks always escaping from Black really thins my suspension of disbelief, at least this way only the last time was an actual escape and we saw how it went down.
It also mixes Goku's personality with Zamasu.
The care for details also goes a long way with me. Goku telling Trunks to hid the Time-Machine and choosing a place far from Trunks and Mai, while trying to reduce the destruction of the city.
Vegeta getting upset Zamasu didn't pick him instead is great.

The infamous jokes..., I already explained why I dislike the kissing joke before, so I won't repeat myself. It doesn't matter if Toei or Mr. Toriyama did it, I think it's bad.
People really used this to bash on the manga, because others bashed on the anime. I felt like I was watching sport fans defend their team and trash the opponent one

Until this point the anime has been much more enjoyable. They dwell on the mystery and have a bunch of stuff the manga lacks. Regarding the mystery, the manga couldn't use it since people found out in the anime. It would be kinda of a waste to try and build suspense, when there's none to be had. One chapter or two ago, they had the characters theorizing Black was a God and the next panel it jumps to Zamasu's first appearance. Toyotarõ didn't even try.

I think the manga will eventually edge out the anime for me, because we're getting to the part where the anime throws the writing to the wall. Something I care a great deal.
I'm happy both mediums exist, both have their strong points and weaknesses. Hopefully next chapter we can have a mature discussion about it.

[Cipher]

I am weirdly glad Toyotarou added a line to confirm that Gowasu hasn't been called by his original name in some time, implying he, like the Kaioshin we know, is usually referred to simply by his title. Characters like Kibito and Zamasu, however, are still called by their original names.

The manga also seems to have more firmly implied that Zamasu was going to take over Goku's body regardless of whether they met. That's what the anime left us having to conclude as well, but the presentation was certainly sloppier there.

As a casualty of being a promotional series some months behind the anime, all of the enjoyable who-dunnit angles were cut from this version of events. Oh well.

I love that Black has been casually relaxing in the romantic-getaway cabin for some time.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So Black doesn't wear the Time Ring in the manga.

Also, Black doesn't look like a coward in the end of the chapter, like others said. Unlike in the anime, Black has no idea about Trunks having used a Time Machine to escape, and Goku & Vegeta are long-dead in this world. He is more like "WTF is this?!" instead of "Shit, they are gonna kick my ass!!".

[dbgtFO]

Is no one going to mention the fact, that Elder Kaioshin finally meets the girl, Goku promised he could touch all those years ago and he didn't pester Goku for keeping the promise

[FortuneSSJ]

-Chapter 18-

Okay chapter.

Not a fan of how quickly they found out almost everything about Goku Black identity, but we already know the manga is rushed so whatever.
I liked how everything played out and I also liked how Goku asked Beerus if he wanted to play with Zeno.

Didn't like how Whis revealed he was an angel right there.
In ROF arc, Goku asks him what he is and he doesn't reveal like it was supposed to be a secret, and now he just said it. Maybe just like Goku, Toriyama still hadn't decided Whis origins in the beginning and the halo was just a genius accident, like the tail was for Goku.

Anyway because of that, it feels more natural that the revelation would be made by other person like the Kaioshin. So, another win for the anime.

Surprised the stupid "Goku never kissed" joke is a thing in the manga too, which means it came from Toriyama himself. I was just pretending it was a misunderstanding and Goku was talking about giving the senzu mouth to mouth, but here they just directly said it... I was sure that FT Trunks giving the senzu like that to Mai was 100% Toei, in order to let the shippers go wild. Guess, I was wrong. I take that back. Never thought Toriyama/Toyotaro you do something like that. And all of that for a stupid unfunny gag, whoah...

Seems like the motion sickness is also from Toriyama. Toei is just trying to please the Big Man, since he already said he wasn't satisfied with Goku Superhero portrait in DBZ Movies.
Ironically, that's the Adult Goku most people (me included) love the most. I would like to hear Toriyama thoughts about DBS Goku.

So far it's obvious Goku Black wouldn't be as popular as he is if we only had the manga.

It's always interesting to see Toyotaro's version, but he didn't do anything better than the anime this time.

[alakazam^]

What's so wrong about the kiss joke? Whether you find it funny or not it's just a little joke, it doesn't change anything in the story.

[Doctor.]

What's so wrong about the kiss joke? Whether you find it funny or not it's just a little joke, it doesn't change anything in the story.

I don't see what's wrong with the motion sickness joke either, it's a fun little quirk to give to Goku.

[TekTheNinja]

What's so wrong about the kiss joke? Whether you find it funny or not it's just a little joke, it doesn't change anything in the story.

I annoys Goku and Chi Chi shippers. Also it makes no sense. Personally though I think Goku and Chi Chi are a really bad couple. Mainly because of Chi Chi being a huge bitch.

[ekrolo2]

What's so wrong about the kiss joke? Whether you find it funny or not it's just a little joke, it doesn't change anything in the story.

I annoys Goku and Chi Chi shippers. Also it makes no sense. Personally though I think Goku and Chi Chi are a really bad couple. Mainly because of Chi Chi being a huge bitch.

Considering the fact Goku's an asshole who endangers the universe for his own enjoyment, I'd say she's a saint by comparison.

[kinisking]

What's so wrong about the kiss joke? Whether you find it funny or not it's just a little joke, it doesn't change anything in the story.

I annoys Goku and Chi Chi shippers. Also it makes no sense. Personally though I think Goku and Chi Chi are a really bad couple. Mainly because of Chi Chi being a huge bitch.

Considering the fact Goku's an asshole who endangers the universe for his own enjoyment, I'd say she's a saint by comparison.

She really is. But at least Goku's a loveable asshole.

[ekrolo2]

I annoys Goku and Chi Chi shippers. Also it makes no sense. Personally though I think Goku and Chi Chi are a really bad couple. Mainly because of Chi Chi being a huge bitch.

Considering the fact Goku's an asshole who endangers the universe for his own enjoyment, I'd say she's a saint by comparison.

She really is. But at least Goku's a loveable asshole.

Not to me he's not, in fact, Goku being forgiven for all of his shit just because he's likable makes me annoyed with him even more. It's like how Boa is a total bitch but everyone's fine with cause she's hot.

[Bansho64]

Not to me he's not, in fact, Goku being forgiven for all of his shit just because he's likable makes me annoyed with him even more. It's like how Boa is a total bitch but everyone's fine with cause she's hot.

Pretty much. Chi Chi really isn't that bad. If anything, she's good compared to other annoying females in anime like Kagome from Inuyasha or Naru from Love Hina.

[ekrolo2]

Not to me he's not, in fact, Goku being forgiven for all of his shit just because he's likable makes me annoyed with him even more. It's like how Boa is a total bitch but everyone's fine with cause she's hot.

Pretty much. Chi Chi really isn't that bad. If anything, she's good compared to other annoying females in anime like Kagome from Inuyasha or Naru from Love Hina.

Chi-Chi's bitchiness is actually pretty understandable, well, it was before Super flanderized her like it does almost everybody. She doesn't want her family to go out there and fight these dangerous psychopaths who skin puppies alive as their hobby. It's especially obvious when Gohan is a kid, what sane parent would be fine if she heard a guy like Piccolo has her son or that he's going to some weird, alien planet where a million more things can go wrong?

Of course, Gohan and Goku need to get involved or else the world is doomed, but it's hard to think about the world when your kid is being squashed to death on live TV and your husband is doing fuck all with a side of fuck yourself to help him.

[HeroR]

Considering the fact Goku's an asshole who endangers the universe for his own enjoyment, I'd say she's a saint by comparison.

She really is. But at least Goku's a loveable asshole.

The 'Goku is an asshole' meme around here really doesn't make sense since most of the cast is about as bad as him, except for Goten. Even Gohan put the Earth in danger to torture Cell and his entire lack of training is another issue.

This seems to be a case of culture clash since this seems to be a western view of Goku from a very cynical point-of-view. It's like if you're not a saintly Superman or a no-kill hardened Batman, you're classified as an amoral asshole. Because apparently there is no in-between.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

A lot of people like to pretend that the main characters are jerks just because they get "in the moment" more often than they should. It's not like anyone (except for Vegeta) has intentionally and knowingly put their companions in danger.

[ekrolo2]

The 'Goku is an asshole' meme around here really doesn't make sense since most of the cast is about as bad as him, except for Goten. Even Gohan put the Earth in danger to torture Cell and his entire lack of training is another issue.

This seems to be a case of culture clash since this seems to be a western view of Goku from a very cynical point-of-view. It's like if you're not a saintly Superman or a no-kill hardened Batman, you're classified as an amoral asshole. Because apparently there is no in-between.

Superhero fiction is inherently fascist in the way it views the world, everyone from Superman to Batman to Captain America fits this bill. Might almost always makes right, the only story where this blatantly isn't the case is Kingdom Come but that's one in a million. Also, Batman's is usually portrayed as a deranged lunatic regardless of his no-kill rule and he frequently treats his allies and friends like shit, making him an asshole too.

No, Goku isn't an asshole because he doesn't stack up to Superman and Batman, Goku is an asshole for doing stuff like having a dick measuring contest with Beerus by choosing to meet his punches instead of... I don't know? Block or dodge them? Why doesn't he do that? Because it's more fun to measure dicks with Beerus!

I cannot speak for others, but Goku isn't an asshole because he isn't some morally righteous person, he's an asshole because he does shit like I mentioned above. If Superman did it? He'd be an asshole too, if Captain America did it? I'd call him an asshole too. Goku CHOOSING to put people in danger PURELY for his own selfish reasons does not make him a good person in my eyes, and the fact that everyone, in and out of universe, considers him a great guy baffles the ever loving shit out of me.

[kinisking]

Considering the fact Goku's an asshole who endangers the universe for his own enjoyment, I'd say she's a saint by comparison.

She really is. But at least Goku's a loveable asshole.

The 'Goku is an asshole' meme around here really doesn't make sense since most of the cast is about as bad as him, except for Goten. Even Gohan put the Earth in danger to torture Cell and his entire lack of training is another issue.

This seems to be a case of culture clash since this seems to be a western view of Goku from a very cynical point-of-view. It's like if you're not a saintly Superman or a no-kill hardened Batman, you're classified as an amoral asshole. Because apparently there is no in-between.

Goku is an asshole. C'mon. He's willing to let Freeza go knowing full well that he's going to make other lives miserable. He saves Vegetas life also knowing this this guy is an evil maniac just because he wants to fight him again. He never ends battles with villians as quickly as possible when he can. He barely spends any time with his kids even though he can fucking teleport. His life is focused too much on enjoying battle. I don't think much characters even compare to that besides for Vegeta. Yes they all have asshole tendencies but Vegeta and Goku take the cake.

Gohan refused to take a job because he would spend too little time with his daughter. Would goku refuse training from some new master if that meant he would spend less time with Goten?

Future Trunks definitely isn't an asshole.

Tien used to be an asshole but hasn't really showed any signs in a long time.

Piccolo gave the fight to Vegeta against Frost even though that meant he couldn't fight anymore. Would Vegeta have done the same?

Krillins been a good guy ever since he matured. Something Goku hasn't.

Yamcha is kind of an asshole sometimes but everyone ignores that because he's such a fucking loser so they'res more important things to make fun of.

[LightBing]

A lot of people like to pretend that the main characters are jerks just because they get "in the moment" more often than they should. It's not like anyone (except for Vegeta) has intentionally and knowingly put their companions in danger.

The most blatant moment is when they refuse to prevent Dr.Gero from creating the Androids, just to test themselves. The characters are selfish and if you're selfish to the degree where you risk everyone's life, then you deserve to be called an asshole.