The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[KentalSSJ6]

Bills because Gohan cannot win unless his hand is held.

I dont think Gohan would need help if say..Bills injured Videl or threatened the life of Pan, who is still in Videl at the time.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Hmmm...

Bills VS a hypothetical SSJG Gohan.

Beers. Gohan's Ultimate form, IMO, wouldn't be considered in the transformation since it uses SSJ energy and hidden power.

Id think Gohan would win honestly. We know Gohan is now a great deal stronger than Goku now before Goku attains SSJG and since SSJG puts Goku above Super Vegito, id say SSJG Gohan would be equal if not stronger than Bills.

Gohan's Ultimate state utilizes his Ssj energy, he wouldn't stack Ssj God on top of his ultimate state.

[dbzfan7]

Hmmm...

Bills VS a hypothetical SSJG Gohan.

Birus still wins. I think SSJG would be the same for anyone who gets it since the same people will be doing the ritual. Even though I consider Base and Ultimate Gohan the same it wouldn't make a difference as he would still equal SSJG Goku.

[ZombieVito]

A better fight will be EoZ SSJG Goku/Vegeta/Gohan vs Birusu.

[TheMightyOzaru]

The Ssj Gods would win that one.

[Kid Buu]

Bills because Gohan cannot win unless his hand is held.

I dont think Gohan would need help if say..Bills injured Videl or threatened the life of Pan, who is still in Videl at the time.

The joke emerges from the fact that his only major victory is from a fight where Goku and Cell basically had to persuade him into battle.

[dbzfan7]

The joke emerges from the fact that his only major victory is from a fight where Goku and Cell basically had to persuade him into battle.

I don't think he has ever beat a super powered foe on his own unless he or she was a lot weaker than him.

[RandomGuy96]

A better fight will be EoZ SSJG Goku/Vegeta/Gohan vs Birusu.

BOG Goku/Vegeta > EOZ Goku and Vegeta, the cat stomps.

[Kid Buu]

The joke emerges from the fact that his only major victory is from a fight where Goku and Cell basically had to persuade him into battle.

I don't think he has ever beat a super powered foe on his own unless he or she was a lot weaker than him.

Vegeta: Had help.
Freeza Soldier: Krillin had to tell him to attack
Guldo: Vegeta intervened
Robbers: LOL
Super Buu: The only match he won on his own, but migrated by the fact that the villain came back and won the rematch.

[ZombieVito]

A better fight will be EoZ SSJG Goku/Vegeta/Gohan vs Birusu.

BOG Goku/Vegeta > EOZ Goku and Vegeta, the cat stomps.

You still hold into that silly quote? lol.

The movie basically said Vegeta and Goku will get stronger.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

BOG Goku/Vegeta > EOZ Goku and Vegeta

What?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Randomguy is somehow under this impression that the Zetto Senshii somehow get weaker after BoG because supposedly it's their prime according to a rather generic statement.

[ZombieVito]

Which is ridiculous since Trunks and Goten can't be at their prime. They are kids for pete sake.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Which is ridiculous since Trunks and Goten can't be at their prime. They are kids for pete sake.

Yup. Toriyama clearly said everyone had, there's no way around that, it's just a generic statement that shouldn't be taken so literally. Beers also claims Goku's potential is unforeseeable, so clearly he can get stronger.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Which is ridiculous since Trunks and Goten can't be at their prime. They are kids for pete sake.

Well, they are at their strongest in the manga, since in the 28th TB, they were in the same status as Gohan was in the beginning of Boo arc.

[dbzfan7]

Toriyama also said almost everyone was at maximum strength

With regards to the time frame of “for the first time in 39 years”, the movie’s setting is after the defeat of Majin Buu, and also prior to the final chapter. Why is it that you chose this period?

When I decided, “For this movie, let’s go with the whole cast!” I thought, “What era would be best?” If it’s a few years after the “Majin Buu arc”, then almost all the cast members are at MAX strength…. And also, you know, in the final chapter, where Uub appears, I made [characters like] Bulma and Kuririn pretty old, so honestly, I thought, “Maaaybe it’s a biiit difficult” [to make the time period any later]. (laughs)

[DBZGTKOSDH]

When I decided, “For this movie, let’s go with the whole cast!” I thought, “What era would be best?” If it’s a few years after the “Majin Buu arc”, then almost all the cast members are at MAX strength…. And also, you know, in the final chapter, where Uub appears, I made [characters like] Bulma and Kuririn pretty old, so honestly, I thought, “Maaaybe it’s a biiit difficult” [to make the time period any later]. (laughs)

Goku & Vegeta are probably the only ones that did extreme training, and got slightly stronger. Piccolo & Tenshinhan with Chaozu just did training, which kept them on the level they are. Gohan, Goten, Trunks stopped training & didn't get any stronger (Saiyans, so their battle power didn't fall), but their skills got rusty. Kuririn & Yamcha stopped training, and got both weaker & with rusty skills.

At least that's how I see the Z-Senshi during the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai.

[MDSTSSJ]

"Zombie"

The movie basically said Vegeta and Goku will get stronger.

Before killing Pure Boo, Goku said he will be better ( stronger ). When Vegeta wanted to kill Mr. Boo, Goku says that they will continue training to get stronger.

Beers also says that Goku's potential is immeasurable or have immeasurable power, so clearly he can get stronger. So clearly Beers statement > Toriyama statement.

"Then almost all the cast members are at MAX strength statement" does not mean they can not become stronger!

Now we ( the fans ) know more than Goku? I don´t think so!

If Goku says he will be stronger, is a fact that he will be stronger! Why is so hard to understand that?

[perucho1990]

Kid Goku before drinking the holy water(aka the Goku that battled Tao Pai Pai the first time) vs the Mummy.

Is Goku still stomping him?

[TheMightyOzaru]

It'd be a close fight, it could go either way. I give it to Goku because he's Goku though. One max power Kamehameha and that mummy is done.