Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[VegetaSSJBlue]

What BP you guys have to the Z Senshi awaiting for Mecha Freeza arrival?

Son Goku – 2,880,000
Super Saiyan – 144,000,000

Trunks – 2,750,000
Super Saiyan – 137,500,000

Vegeta – 2,300,000
Piccolo – 1,500,000
Son Gohan – 600,000
Tenshinhan – 16,000
Kuririn – 11,000
Yamcha – 8,000
Chaozu – 5,000

Freeza Soldiers – 1,300
King Cold – 85,000,000
Mecha Freeza – 120,000,000

[Noah]

*list*

You have Tien stronger than Krillin?

[Kaboom]

I was just wondering if any of you include the Boo Arc in your lists? I purposely don't because of all the inconsistencies.

Of course I do. There's not really much in the way of inconsistencies if you stick to the manga version and get a little creative here and there. A big mantra I always try to stick to for the Boo arc is "not everything has to be related to power." Which is especially relevant to the Bobbidi's spaceship sequence you mentioned, where Kaioshin's hangups over fighting Bobbidi's minions can be attributed to a weakness in character, rather than being outmatched in power level.

I purpose a challenge to thee foolhardy enough to take it, give the Kanzenshuu users their own power levels!
Or something, doesn't actually have to be everyone.

I'm sure we'd all probably average between like 3 and 7, or something like that, with guys like Kendamu (who actually practices martial arts) and VegettoEX himself (who has the patience of a sage) clocking in on the upper end up that spectrum.

Do you guys think 2nd form Freeza was initially over a million? Or was that to his 2nd form full power?

Could go either way. All it would really effect is the "spacing" of his power between his first and true form, not really where he'd end up once finished transforming. I personally think his dialogue really insinuates possible power rather than present power, though, so I consider him already slightly over 1 million when first transformed and capping out around 1.5 million in that form.

What BP you guys have to the Z Senshi awaiting for Mecha Freeza arrival?

Not all that much different from the end of the Freeza arc... Kuririn around or over 100,000 from his power unlock, the other Earthlings in the low tens of thousands (averaging below 50k) from their time on Kaio's, and Gohan in the low hundreds of thousands from his own power unlock and one or two healing boosts against Freeza, but possibly regressing from lack of training over the last two years. The only ones to actually have actually improved would be Vegeta and Piccolo, with both of them probably rivaling the power base Goku had against Freeza. All in all, nobody would really make any big improvements until the intense training for the Androids kicked off.

[Big Green The Yoshi]

I was just wondering if any of you include the Boo Arc in your lists? I purposely don't because of all the inconsistencies.

Of course I do. There's not really much in the way of inconsistencies if you stick to the manga version and get a little creative here and there. A big mantra I always try to stick to for the Boo arc is "not everything has to be related to power." Which is especially relevant to the Bobbidi's spaceship sequence you mentioned, where Kaioshin's hangups over fighting Bobbidi's minions can be attributed to a weakness in character, rather than being outmatched in power level.

What's your Boo Arc Battle Power list?

[Kaboom]

What's your Boo Arc Battle Power list?

I keep links to both my series and movies lists right there in my signature, home slice. I keep them as off-site little web pages because A) they've gotten too long to post in topics over and over, and B) so I can make live updates to them whenever I want.

[VegetaSSJBlue]

*list*

You have Tien stronger than Krillin?

Yes.

[apex_pretador]

What BP you guys have to the Z Senshi awaiting for Mecha Freeza arrival?

Piccolo - Over 3 million
Vegeta - Around 3 million
Gohan - 500k
Others - Too weak to be relevant, but
Krillin - 110k
Tien - 66k
Yamcha - 52k
Chiaotzu - under 9000
Roshi - 226

[emperior]

What BP you guys have to the Z Senshi awaiting for Mecha Freeza arrival?

Mecha Freezer - 155,000,000

King Cold - 100,000,000

King Cold's soldiers - Average of 1,000

Future Trunks
Base - 3,400,000
SSJ - 170,000,000

Goku
Base - 3,500,000
SSJ - 175,000,000

Vegeta - 3,000,000
Piccolo - 2,500,000
Gohan - 300,000
Krillin - 75,000
Tenshinhan - 20,000
Yamcha - 15,000

[DanielSSJ]

What BP you guys have to the Z Senshi awaiting for Mecha Freeza arrival?

Let's see here.

Mecha Freeza: 150,000,000
King Cold: 95,000,000
(Freeza says that he's probably strong enough to take down Super Saiyan Goku on his own now. While I'm not sure about that, I'd say he's at least as strong as Goku was on Namek. King Cold is weaker than his son, but strong enough to to back up his son.)

Son Goku (Super Saiyan): 180,000,000
Future Trunks (Super Saiyan): 175,000,000
(Trunks easily tears through an even stronger Freeza, so he's probably stronger than Goku was on Namek. While Goku spent most of the past 2 years learning to teleport and to control his Super Saiyan form, he's probably gotten a little stronger. He's packing enough power to impress Trunks, implying he was the stronger of the two.)

Vegeta: 3,000,000
Piccolo: 6,000,000
Son Gohan: 400,000
Kuririn: 100,000
Yamcha: 30,000
Tenshinhan: 45,000
Chiaotzu: 12,000
(Now let's look at the peanut gallery. Vegeta and Piccolo are both training hard, so they've improved a lot. Vegeta's o the same level Goku was at on Namek, not counting Kaioken or Super Saiyan. To make the jump Piccolo makes in the next arc more believable, I'm gonna say that he's already benefiting from having the combined potential of two warrior Namekians and is already stronger than any of the non-Super Saiyans. Gohan hasn't been training, so he's more-or-less the same as he was during the Freeza arc. Kuririn and the other's have been doing light training since being revived, though they owe most of their power from either training at Kaio's, or in Kuririn's case, getting his potential unlocked on Namek)

[dragonball0900]

What BP you guys have to the Z Senshi awaiting for Mecha Freeza arrival?

Mecha Frieza - 150,000,000

King Cold - 100,000,000

Trunks - 3,400,000
SSJ Trunks - 170,000,000

Goku - 3,500,000
SSJ Goku - 175,000,000

Vegeta - 2,800,000

Piccolo - 1,500,000

Gohan - 200,000

Tenshinhan - 150,000

Krillin - 120,000

Yamcha - 60,000

Chiaotzu - 30,000

[ZombieVito]

What BP you guys have to the Z Senshi awaiting for Mecha Freeza arrival?

Trunks Arc
Son Goku: 3,600,000
-- Super Saiyan: 180,000,000

Future Trunks: 3,400,000
-- Super Saiyan: 170,000,000

Freeza [Mecha]: 140,000,000
King Cold: 100,000,000
Vegeta: 2,700,000
Piccolo: 2,500,000
Son Gohan: 400,000
Kuririn: 85,000
Tenshinhan: 54,000
Yamcha: 39,000
Chiaotzu: 18,000
Freeza’s elite soldiers: 1,250 - 2,500

[GreatSaiyaman123]

What BP you guys have to the Z Senshi awaiting for Mecha Freeza arrival?

Mecha Freeza (50%): 120,000,000
King Cold: 130,000,000
Soldiers: 3,000 - 6,000
Trunks: 5,000,000
SSJ Trunks: 250,000,000
Goku: 6,000,000
SSJ Goku: 300,000,000
Vegeta: 3,200,000
Piccolo: 3,000,000
Tenshinhan: 400,000
Gohan: 300,000
Krillin: 150,000
Yamcha: 120,000
Chaotsu: 30,000

[Noah]

Have you guys forgot that at this point Tien shouldn't be stronger than Krillin?

[ZombieVito]

Have you guys forgot that at this point Tien shouldn't be stronger than Krillin?

People are just in denial.

Tenshinhan has never been stronger than Kuririn after the Saiyan arc.

[VegetaSSJBlue]

Dragón Ball Power levels

POWER MULTIPLIERS

Oozaru – 10x
Super Saiyan – 50x
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 75x
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 100x
Super Saiyan 2 – 200x
Super Saiyan 3 – 500x

Raditz Arc

Son Gohan – 1
Enraged – 1,307

Son Goku – 416
Piccolo – 408
Tenshinhan – 250
Kuririn – 206
Yamcha – 177
Chaozu – 150
Yajirobe – 145
Muten Roshi – 139

Kaio of the North – 5,000
Enma Daio – 2,500
Kami of Earth – 325
Mr. Popo – 280

Raditz – 1,200
Oozaru – 12,000

Saiyan Arc


Son Goku – 8,000
Kaio-Ken x2 – 16,000
Kaio-Ken x3 – 24,000
Kaio-Ken x4 – 32,000

Son Gohan – 1,307
Enraged – 2,800
Oozaru – 13,070

Piccolo – 2,500
Tenshinhan – 1,800
Kuririn – 1,500
Yamcha – 1,300
Chaozu – 1,000
Yajirobe – 800

Saibaimen – 1,200

Nappa – 7,500
Oozaru – 75,000

Vegeta – 18,000
Oozaru – 180,000


Namek Arc


Son Goku – 90,000
Kaio-Ken x2 – 180,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 900,000

Vegeta – 24,000
Post-recovery – 30,000
Post-recovery 2 – 50,000

Son Gohan – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 11,000
Post-recovery – 27,500

Kuririn – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 10,500

Dende – 200
Power Unlocked – 500

Muri – 1,000
Young Namekians – 3,000
Nail – 42,000

Freeza – 530,000
Freeza Soldiers – 1,250
Kwi – 18,000
Dodoria – 20,000

Zarbon – 22,000
Transformed – 29,000

Gurd – 5,000
Recoome – 40,000
Butta – 40,000
Jheese – 40,000
Captain Ginyu – 120,000


Freeza Arc


Son Goku – 2,500,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 25,000,000
Kaio-Ken x20 – 50,000,000
Super Saiyan – 125,000,000

Vegeta – 500,000
Post-recovery – 2,200,000

Son Gohan – 150,000
Enraged – 750,000
Post-recovery – 600,000
Enraged – 1,500,000

Piccolo – 300,000
Merged with Nail – 1,200,000

Kuririn – 10,500

Freeza – 530,000
Second Form – 800,000
Power-Up 1 – 900,000
Power-Up 2 – 1,060,000
Third Form – 1,590,000
True Form – 2,120,000
Power-Up – 2,650,000
50% Power – 50,000,000
70% Power – 70,000,000
100% Power – 100,000,000

Mecha Freeza Arc


Son Goku – 3,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000

Trunks – 2,850,000
Super Saiyan – 142,500,000

Vegeta – 2,500,000
Piccolo – 1,500,000
Son Gohan – 600,000
Tenshinhan – 16,000
Kuririn – 11,000
Yamcha – 8,000
Chaozu – 5,000

Freeza Soldiers – 2,500
King Cold – 80,000,000
Mecha Freeza – 120,000,000

Future Arc I


Future Gohan – 2,750,000
Super Saiyan – 137,500,000

Kid Trunks – 50,000
Super Saiyan – 2,500,000

Future Android 18 – 240,000,000
Future Android 17 – 250,000,000


Artificial Human Arc


Son Goku – 3,600,000
Super Saiyan – 180,000,000

Vegeta – 3,750,000
Super Saiyan – 187,500,000
Post-RoSaT – 8,500,000
Super Saiyan – 425,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 637,500,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 850,000,000

Trunks – 3,200,000
Super Saiyan – 160,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 8,000,000
Super Saiyan – 400,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 600,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 800,000,000

Piccolo – 125,000,000
Super Namekian – 250,000,000

Gohan – 2,500,000
Tenshinhan – 20,000
Kuririn – 14,000
Yamcha – 10,000
Chaozu – 6,000

Android 19 – 60,000,000
Post-absorption – 100,000,000

Android 20 – 50,000,000
Post-absorption – 95,000,000

Android 18 – 240,000,000
Android 17 – 250,000,000
Android 16 – 320,000,000

Cell – 210,000,000
Humans Absorbed – 320,000,000
Second Form – 425,000,000
Full Power – 500,000,000
Perfect Form – 600,000,000
Power Up – 750,000,000
Bulked Up – 937,500,000

Cell Games Arc

Son Gohan – 47,500,000
Super Saiyan – 2,375,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 9,500,000,000
Injured – 4,500,000,000

Son Goku – 40,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,000,000,000

Vegeta – 31,500,000
Super Saiyan – 1,575,000,000

Trunks – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000

Piccolo – 1,250,000,000
Android 16 – 320,000,000
Mister Satan – 8

Cell Juniors – 1,600,000,000

Perfect Cell – 2,100,000,000
Full Speed – 2,400,000,000
Full Power – 3,000,000,000
Bulked Up – 3,750,000,000
"Super Perfect" – 4,500,000,000

Future Arc II

Trunks – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000
3 Years Later – 35,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,750,000,000

Future Android 18 – 240,000,000
Future Android 17 – 250,000,000
Cell – 320,000,000


Buu Arc


Son Goku – 50,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 10,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 25,000,000,000

Vegeta – 45,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,250,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 9,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 [Majin boost] – 10,000,000,000

Son Gohan – 37,500,000
Super Saiyan – 1,875,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 7,500,000,000
Ultimate – 75,000,000,000

Son Goten – 25,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,250,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000

Trunks – 26,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,300,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000

Gotenks – 10,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 25,000,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 12,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 30,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 60,000,000,000

Vegetto – 100,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 500,000,000,000

Piccolo – 1,800,000,000
Android 18 – 240,000,000
Tenshinhan – 23,000
Kuririn – 12,000
Yamcha – 8,000
Chaozu – 6,500
Dende – 2,000
Videl – 10
Spopovich – 9
Yamu – 9
Mr. Satan – 7

Grand Kaioshin – 22,500,000,000
Kaioshin of the South – 30,000,000,000
Kaioshin of the North – 2,500,000,000
Kaioshin of the West – 2,200,000,000

Rou Kaioshin – 1,000,000
Kibito – 20,000,000
Kaioshin of the East - 2,000,000,000
Merged – 20,000,000,000

Babidi – 10
Pui Pui – 25,000
Yakon – 65,000,000
Dabra – 4,500,000,000

Pure Boo – 25,000,000,000
Buff Boo – 55,000,000,000
Majin Boo – 22,500,000,000
Evil Boo – 12,500,000,000
Good Boo – 10,000,000,000
Super Boo – 50,000,000,000
+ Piccolo – 51,800,000,000
+ Gotenks – 110,000,000,000
+ Son Gohan – 125,000,000,000

28th Tenkaichi Budokai Arc


Son Goku – 60,000,000
Super Saiyan – 3,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 12,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 30,000,000,000

Vegeta – 55,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,750,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 11,000,000,000

Son Goten – 40,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,000,000,000

Trunks – 40,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,000,000,000

Son Gohan – 75,000,000,000
Mister Boo – 10,000,000,000
Piccolo – 2,500,000,000
Oob – 60,000,000
Pan – 2,000,000

[Dr. Gero]

The only ones to actually have actually improved would be Vegeta and Piccolo, with both of them probably rivaling the power base Goku had against Freeza.

Well Vegeta got way stronger than Piccolo after his ultimate Zenkai on Namek, right? So you think Piccolo closed the gap a lot during this time? I'm not saying it's unreasonable, even more with the way Piccolo replied back to Vegeta's provocation, but just curious. Or maybe do you think Vegeta didn't get much stronger than Piccolo, if at all, after Dende healing him?

Also, Kaboom, can I ask you other thing? Where would you have Kuririn, Tenshinhan and Yamcha after the three years of training, preparing for the androids? Maybe reaching the millions could be reasonable?

[DanielSSJ]

Well Vegeta got way stronger than Piccolo after his ultimate Zenkai on Namek, right? So you think Piccolo closed the gap a lot during this time? I'm not saying it's unreasonable, even more with the way Piccolo replied back to Vegeta's provocation, but just curious. Or maybe do you think Vegeta didn't get much stronger than Piccolo, if at all, after Dende healing him?

Also, Kaboom, can I ask you other thing? Where would you have Kuririn, Tenshinhan and Yamcha after the three years of training, preparing for the androids? Maybe reaching the millions could be reasonable?

I'm not Kaboom, but I'll answer this anyways. As I said when I did my levels above, I reconcile Piccolo going from being weaker than base Goku to being comparable to a Super Saiyan within 4 to 5 years as a side effect of merging with Nail. I personally believe that he didn't just get a flat power boost from the merger, his potential and rate of growth also became much greater, allowing him to reach new heights by training with Goku. So him pulling slightly ahead of the base Saiyans within the time between the Battle of Namek and Trunks' introduction isn't very far-fetched.

Anyways, as Kaboom said above, his PLs are in his signature, though I know them pretty well since they heavily influenced my own power level list (currently being redone). None of the earthlings on his list come close to the million mark. Tenshinhan and Yamcha average around 50,000 and Kuririn maxes out at 150,000. I'd personally put them all a bit higher than that, but I don't think any of them even reach Freeza's first form's level.

[DBZ Macky]

Does anyone have the brains to explain Tenshinhan and Yamcha's perfomance in Anime-exclusive scenes without using the word "filler"?

Specifically, Tien vs Trunks and Yamcha vs Olibu.

[DanielSSJ]

Does anyone have the brains to explain Tenshinhan and Yamcha's perfomance in Anime-exclusive scenes without using the word "filler"?

Specifically, Tien vs Trunks and Yamcha vs Olibu.

Not really. I'm pretty much a manga-purist, especially in regards to power levels and power scaling, so I tend to just ignore stuff like this. I guess Tenshinhan vs Trunks could be explained by Trunk holding back to give the audience a good fight to watch. Yamcha fighting Olibu... uhhhh... Olibu had the afterlife flu?

[apex_pretador]

Does anyone have the brains to explain Tenshinhan and Yamcha's perfomance in Anime-exclusive scenes without using the word "filler"?

Specifically, Tien vs Trunks and Yamcha vs Olibu.

Yep.

Tien vs trunks is movie. Anyways,

Yamcha is nearly as strong as Tien who is nearly as strong as Krillin. All humans have been able to keep up with base saiyans, atleast up to ROSAT, as evident by Krillin's performance against imperfect cell, Tien and Yamcha briefly holding off a cell jr etc.

Olibu was weaker than weighted pikkon, who himself was weaker than Base goku (cell games). By buu arc, Yamcha has surpassed cell games base goku.
Yamcha > CG base goku > Pikkon > Olibu becomes Yamcha >>> Olibu.