Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[DBZ Macky]

So, fellow Kanzenshuu member JulianStyles has taken some time off his day and commented on one of my videos. I'm really glad

DBZ Macky Semi peefect cell estimates have him around 500mil. Say the Kikoho wasnt hurting him. But it had to be hitting at a force stronger than Piccolo and 16s best. Not saying Tiens combat power can match them. But the Kikoho had to be in the 300 millions in order to send Cell flying back. Speed is also part of PL. Cell couldn't out power it or out quick it. Also before the Androids. Piccolo said dont show up if you dont think you can handle it. They were all told these Androids are much stronger than Freeza. And they were all killed in the future. 4 years you really think they showing up with a PL arounf captain Ginyu? Think Tien and others could take punches from Cell jrs with a PL of 2billion with a PL in the low hundred thousands? Really think Tien could deflect a blast from Buutenks. A being with the power of Superbuu,piccolo,SSJ3 Gotenks? Think of it this way. A speeding asteroid. In order for it to be flung off course something in a certain ratio of speed and power must hit it. Buutenks 75billion by estimates. The Kikoho must hit in the hundreds of million to even Billions. Tiens base has to be able to handle such an attack. Bojack movie which Akira read the script and created character designs. In order for Tien to force Trunks to go SSJ. Tiens PL had to be around 40 mil. 12 years after. training all the time he has to be near 100 million or more. When Him Piccolo and 18 fought Beerus. he took the same damage they did and was just as injured. If he was far weaker like you suggest he would die from an attack that hurt them so bad. Also to suggest Krillin is stronger. Tien is a decendant of Aliens so lets get that strongest Earthling crap out the way. Tien out performed and was more impactful android saga to present. Most recent example Tien dominated Freezas soilders and in the series needed to save Krillin. In the movie Gohan needed to save Krillin from being Killed because Krillin was overwhelmed. Also Krillin did not train for 11 years. He constantly says he stop fighting. So lets be realistic. Just because Tien didnt keep up with the sayains doesnt mean he didn't progress. I've been on Japanese sites. Not only do fan there feel hes around 50mil and above. But they all know hes stronger than Krillin.

What are you guys' thoughts on this?

Although I don't completely agree with what he's said, I guess there's nothing contradicting that Kuririn and co. are at least on par with the base Saiyans. We didn't see any of their training. There's no reason why Yamcha vs Olibu couldn't have the same result in canon material.

On that note, Tenshinhan's greatest feat is actually nothing compared to Yamcha, and by extension Kuririn's greatest feat of one-shotting Olibu.

[DanielSSJ]

How strong do you think Mr. Satan is? I figure he'd be around 7 in his prime.

Also, how would you define the phrase "Many times stronger"? I figured that by making Z Goku's power level 924 and BoDB Goku's power level 10 you could make all of these statements fit, but it turns out there's a lot of 'em in DB. What's the lowest possible value for this?

Mr. Satan's the strongest martial artist on the planet... among regular Joes anyways. At most, he's a six or a seven. I personally put him at 6.66 (HAHA I'm CLEVAR!).

Back in the early days of Dragon Ball, strength wasn't solely defined by how much Ki you possessed, nor were fights solely dictated by it. So when Goku became "many times stronger" after training with Karin for three days, it could be a combination of his improved strength and skill that Karin was referring to. Anyways, it's pretty clear to me that the 924 number is something that Goku could only achieve by concentrating his Ki for a super move.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

So, fellow Kanzenshuu member JulianStyles has taken some time off his day and commented on one of my videos. I'm really glad 

I'm also subscribed at your channel bro (But i never commented and my Youtube profile has a different name, anyways) and i really like your levels, i think you should do PLs from Pre DBS, i would like it.

DBZ Macky Semi peefect cell estimates have him around 500mil. Say the Kikoho wasnt hurting him. But it had to be hitting at a force stronger than Piccolo and 16s best. Not saying Tiens combat power can match them. But the Kikoho had to be in the 300 millions in order to send Cell flying back. Speed is also part of PL. Cell couldn't out power it or out quick it. Also before the Androids. Piccolo said dont show up if you dont think you can handle it. They were all told these Androids are much stronger than Freeza. And they were all killed in the future. 4 years you really think they showing up with a PL arounf captain Ginyu? Think Tien and others could take punches from Cell jrs with a PL of 2billion with a PL in the low hundred thousands? Really think Tien could deflect a blast from Buutenks. A being with the power of Superbuu,piccolo,SSJ3 Gotenks? Think of it this way. A speeding asteroid. In order for it to be flung off course something in a certain ratio of speed and power must hit it. Buutenks 75billion by estimates. The Kikoho must hit in the hundreds of million to even Billions. Tiens base has to be able to handle such an attack. Bojack movie which Akira read the script and created character designs. In order for Tien to force Trunks to go SSJ. Tiens PL had to be around 40 mil. 12 years after. training all the time he has to be near 100 million or more. When Him Piccolo and 18 fought Beerus. he took the same damage they did and was just as injured. If he was far weaker like you suggest he would die from an attack that hurt them so bad. Also to suggest Krillin is stronger. Tien is a decendant of Aliens so lets get that strongest Earthling crap out the way. Tien out performed and was more impactful android saga to present. Most recent example Tien dominated Freezas soilders and in the series needed to save Krillin. In the movie Gohan needed to save Krillin from being Killed because Krillin was overwhelmed. Also Krillin did not train for 11 years. He constantly says he stop fighting. So lets be realistic. Just because Tien didnt keep up with the sayains doesnt mean he didn't progress. I've been on Japanese sites. Not only do fan there feel hes around 50mil and above. But they all know hes stronger than Krillin.

What are you guys' thoughts on this?
Although I don't completely agree with what he's said, I guess there's nothing contradicting that Kuririn and co. are at least on par with the base Saiyans. We didn't see any of their training. There's no reason why Yamcha vs Olibu couldn't have the same result in canon material.

On that note, Tenshinhan's greatest feat is actually nothing compared to Yamcha, and by extension Kuririn's greatest feat of one-shotting Olibu.

Right now i'm sitting on the fence about Tien X Krillin, and Ginyu Force level is really to low for the humans, but a lot of these arguments are fail.
1)Tien vs Cell: I think you have Semi Cell much more than 500m, since 18 is 340. Maybe something like 800m. Even if the Kikoho is a kiai, Cell make some pain faces and get out with some superficial injuries, but Kikoho is a special technique with a huge multiplier, and isn't a brute force feat.
2) Human's strengh: IMO each of the 3 main humans could beat at least 2nd form Freeza on their peak, otherwise they would not have appeared to fight Androids. Cell Jr fight isn't an argument for nothing, they were all playing with the Z Fighters.
3) Tien vs Buutenks: That blast was going to kill Dende, even Yamcha could deflect that (If he don't fire the Kikoho on himself by accident, it's Yamcha after all).
4) Tien and Piccolo vs Beerus: Beerus attacked Tien with a different strenght. It doesn't matter if Tien is Ginyu level or FP Freeza level, he still one shit material for Piccolo.
5) Tien not being an earthling: Even Tien being a alien decendant, he still an earthling, he's probably more human than alien, and he's always grouped with the earthling instead of aliens.
The rest i agree with this guy. It doesn't make sense to Krillin still stronger than Tien after 9 years (IIRC, he just married #18 about 3 years after Cell's defeat) without training, and Toriyama is always forgotting things (Remember Lunch or that time when he confused SSJ2 and SSJ3?). Tien matched with base Trunks could be another Toriyama mistake, but could also be an indication that he trained on the Rosat on this universe.

[VegetaSSJBlue]

POWER MULTIPLIERS

Oozaru – 10x
Super Saiyan – 50x
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 75x
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 100x
Super Saiyan 2 – 200x
Super Saiyan 3 – 500x

Raditz Arc

[spoiler]Son Gohan – 1
Enraged – 1,307

Son Goku – 416
Piccolo – 408
Tenshinhan – 250
Kuririn – 206
Yamcha – 177
Chaozu – 150
Yajirobe – 145
Muten Roshi – 139

Kaio of the North – 5,000
Enma Daio – 2,500
Kami of Earth – 325
Mr. Popo – 280

Raditz – 1,200
Oozaru – 12,000[/spoiler]

Saiyan Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 8,000
Kaio-Ken x2 – 16,000
Kaio-Ken x3 – 24,000
Kaio-Ken x4 – 32,000

Son Gohan – 1,307
Enraged – 2,800
Oozaru – 13,070

Piccolo – 2,500
Tenshinhan – 1,800
Kuririn – 1,500
Yamcha – 1,300
Chaozu – 1,000
Yajirobe – 800

Saibaimen – 1,200

Nappa – 7,500
Oozaru – 75,000

Vegeta – 18,000
Oozaru – 180,000[/spoiler]

Namek Arc

[spoiler]Son Goku – 90,000
Kaio-Ken x2 – 180,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 900,000

Vegeta – 24,000
Post-recovery – 30,000
Post-recovery 2 – 50,000

Son Gohan – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 12,000
Post-recovery – 30,000

Kuririn – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 11,000

Dende – 200
Power Unlocked – 500

Muri – 1,000
Young Namekians – 3,000
Nail – 42,000

Freeza – 530,000
Freeza Soldiers – 1,250
Kwi – 18,000
Dodoria – 20,000

Zarbon – 22,000
Transformed – 29,000

Gurd – 5,000
Recoome – 40,000
Butta – 40,000
Jheese – 40,000
Captain Ginyu – 120,000[/spoiler]

Freeza Arc

[spoiler]Son Goku – 2,000,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 20,000,000
Kaio-Ken x20 – 40,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000

Vegeta – 500,000
Post-recovery – 1,750,000

Son Gohan – 150,000
Enraged – 750,000
Post-recovery – 600,000
Enraged – 1,500,000

Piccolo – 300,000
Merged with Nail – 1,200,000

Kuririn – 11,000

Freeza – 530,000
Second Form – 800,000
Power-Up 1 – 900,000
Power-Up 2 – 1,060,000
Third Form – 1,590,000
True Form – 2,120,000
50% Power – 42,500,000
70% Power – 59,500,000
100% Power – 85,000,000[/spoiler]

Mecha Freeza Arc

[spoiler]Son Goku – 2,400,000
Super Saiyan – 120,000,000

Trunks – 2,300,000
Super Saiyan – 115,000,000

Vegeta – 2,000,000
Piccolo – 1,500,000
Son Gohan – 600,000
Tenshinhan – 16,000
Kuririn – 12,000
Yamcha – 8,000
Chaozu – 4,000

Freeza Soldiers – 2,500
King Cold – 80,000,000
Mecha Freeza – 100,000,000[/spoiler]

Future Arc I

[spoiler]Future Gohan – 2,200,000
Super Saiyan – 110,000,000

Kid Trunks – 40,000
Super Saiyan – 2,000,000

Future Android 18 – 190,000,000
Future Android 17 – 200,000,000[/spoiler]


Artificial Human Arc

[spoiler]Son Goku – 3,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000

Vegeta – 3,150,000
Super Saiyan – 157,500,000
Post-RoSaT – 6,500,000
Super Saiyan – 325,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 487,500,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 650,000,000

Trunks – 2,600,000
Super Saiyan – 130,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 6,250,000
Super Saiyan – 312,500,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 468,750,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 625,000,000

Piccolo – 120,000,000
Super Namekian – 200,000,000

Gohan – 2,000,000
Tenshinhan – 20,000
Kuririn – 15,000
Yamcha – 10,000
Chaozu – 5,000

Android 19 – 60,000,000
Post-absorption – 90,000,000

Android 20 – 65,000,000
Post-absorption – 97,500,000

Android 18 – 190,000,000
Android 17 – 200,000,000
Android 16 – 250,000,000

Cell – 170,000,000
Humans Absorbed – 250,000,000
Second Form – 325,000,000
Full Power – 400,000,000
Perfect Form – 450,000,000
Power Up – 575,000,000
Bulked Up – 725,000,000[/spoiler]

Cell Games Arc
[spoiler]Son Gohan – 37,500,000
Super Saiyan – 1,875,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 7,500,000,000
Injured – 3,600,000,000

Son Goku – 32,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,600,000,000

Vegeta – 25,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,250,000,000

Trunks – 24,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,200,000,000

Piccolo – 1,000,000,000
Android 16 – 250,000,000

Cell Juniors – 1,275,000,000

Perfect Cell – 1,675,000,000
Full Speed – 1,875,000,000
Full Power – 2,400,000,000
Bulked Up – 3,000,000,000
"Super Perfect" – 4,000,000,000[/spoiler]

Future Arc II

[spoiler]Trunks – 24,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,200,000,000
3 Years Later – 27,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,350,000,000

Future Android 18 – 190,000,000
Future Android 17 – 200,000,000
Cell – 250,000,000[/spoiler]


Buu Arc

[spoiler]Son Goku – 40,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 8,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 20,000,000,000

Vegeta – 36,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,800,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 7,200,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 [Majin boost] – 8,000,000,000

Son Gohan – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 6,000,000,000
Ultimate – 60,000,000,000

Son Goten – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,000,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 25,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,250,000,000

Trunks – 21,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,050,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 25,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,250,000,000

Gotenks – 8,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 20,000,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 10,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 25,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 50,000,000,000

Vegetto – 80,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 200,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 400,000,000,000

Piccolo – 1,440,000,000
Android 18 – 190,000,000
Tenshinhan – 24,000
Kuririn – 12,500
Yamcha – 8,000
Chaozu – 6,000
Dende – 2,000

Grand Kaioshin – 18,000,000,000
Kaioshin of the South – 25,000,000,000
Kaioshin of the North – 2,000,000,000
Kaioshin of the West – 1,800,000,000

Rou Kaioshin – 1,000,000
Kibito – 10,000,000
Kaioshin of the East - 1,600,000,000
Merged – 17,500,000,000

Babidi – 10
Pui Pui – 22,500
Yakon – 45,000,000
Dabra – 4,000,000,000

Pure Boo – 20,000,000,000
Buff Boo – 45,000,000,000
Majin Boo – 18,000,000,000
Evil Boo – 10,000,000,000
Good Boo – 8,000,000,000
Super Boo – 40,000,000,000
+ Gotenks – 90,000,000,000
+ Son Gohan – 100,000,000,000[/spoiler]

28th Tenkaichi Budokai Arc

[spoiler]Son Goku – 50,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 10,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 25,000,000,000

Vegeta – 45,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,250,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 9,000,000,000

Son Goten – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000

Trunks – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000

Son Gohan – 60,000,000,000
Mister Boo – 8,000,000,000
Piccolo – 1,800,000,000
Oob – 50,000,000
Pan – 2,000,000[/spoiler]

[JulianStyles]

You've just made the list DBZmacky

[Kaboom]

You've just made the list DBZmacky

I'm not 100% sure what you mean by this, but if your past behavior towards members who dare to disagree with you about Tenshinnhan's power is any indication, it's not something nice. Watch your step.

[Lord Beerus]

You've just made the list DBZmacky

I'm not 100% sure what you mean by this, but if your past behavior towards members who dare to disagree with you about Tenshinnhan's power is any indication, it's not something nice. Watch your step.

I think he was making a Chris Jericho reference.

[JulianStyles]

LoL the no fun zone.

Kaioken taught us in dragonball that a fighter must have a certain base power in order to deal a damage beyond their base. Goku 8,000 max Kaioken ×4. Stronger he got the more he can multiply.

Theres evidence to show the Shin-Kikoho may have elements of the Kaioken. In the manga on King Kais planet. Tien says he will take King Kais training and apply it to his own. Make your own conclusions.

Regardless a fighter 100,000 can not physically withstand dishing out an attack that reaches to atleast 300 million. If you believe Semi Cell was anywhere between 500mil-800mil.

[ZombieVito]

My headcanon is that Nail already had Guru unlock his hidden potential and that carried over to Piccolo, making his training gains way better.

But Kuririn also got his potential unlocked and reached 75,000. Does that mean Kuririn has a higher potential than Nail? It could be, but seems a little fishy to me

I see nothing wrong with that.

[DanielSSJ]

So, fellow Kanzenshuu member JulianStyles has taken some time off his day and commented on one of my videos. I'm really glad
What are you guys' thoughts on this?

Although I don't completely agree with what he's said, I guess there's nothing contradicting that Kuririn and co. are at least on par with the base Saiyans. We didn't see any of their training. There's no reason why Yamcha vs Olibu couldn't have the same result in canon material.

On that note, Tenshinhan's greatest feat is actually nothing compared to Yamcha, and by extension Kuririn's greatest feat of one-shotting Olibu.

My first thought is that Julian needs to work on his writing and make it easier to read.

Anyways, in my opinion, the Kikoho is basically a super-charged, daddy-of-all Kiai shock wave type attacks, and it has a metric fuck-ton of pushing force, even if the raw amount of Ki is insufficient to actually harm the target. Kaboom describes it as a special property that is separate from the raw amount of power that it has. Sorta like how the Kienzan and Makankosappo can cut and drill things without necessarily being stronger than it's target. It's like the way a truck can still push someone down even if it's not moving fast enough (has enough Ki power) to harm them.

As for the Cell Juniors, they were just playing with the Earthlings until Cell told them to start killing folks to make Gohan mad. Likewise, Beerus wasn't interested with killing anyone outright. Saying that Tenshinhan took the same amount of damage as Piccolo and No. 18 is ludicrous, just as the idea that No. 18 being as strong a Piccolo is, or them being as strong as either Majin Boo or Gohan.

In regards to the Gohan-Boo thing, ki blasts seem pretty easy to deflect if they are intercepted from the side, like Tenshinhan did with Boo's. The fact that Tenshinhan needed a Kikoho to deflect it like that says a lot about Boo's power.

Ten's alien ancestry is only mentioned to explain his more esoteric abilities, and he is still qualified as an Earthling by the same guide book that first brings up the Three-Eyed Clan, so by the series definition, he's an Earthling. Kuririn is stated by a plethora of official sources to be the strongest Earthling. Ergo, Kuririn is stronger than Tenshinhan. How and why Kuririn maintains his superiority can be explained easily enough.

Lastly, while I personally don't think that any of the Earthlings ever got into the millions, I don't think it is completely impossible that they would get that strong. However, I highly doubt that they'd be a match for the base Saiyans at any point after they came out of the Room of Spirit and Time. Kuririn and Yamcha stop training after Cell, and Tenshinhan apparently never caught up to Kuririn, so that's sort of the limit to whatever strength they've gained within the manga.

P.S. I don't care about filler or movies when doing PLs. So I don't care about Tenshinhan vs. Trunks or Yamcha vs. Olibu. To quote Kendamu, "Read the Damn Manga".

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Anyways, in my opinion, the Kikoho is basically a super-charged, daddy-of-all Kiai shock wave type attacks, and it has a metric fuck-ton of pushing force, even if the raw amount of Ki is insufficient to actually harm the target. Kaboom describes it as a special property that is separate from the raw amount of power that it has. Sorta like how the Kienzan and Makankosappo can cut and drill things without necessarily being stronger than it's target. It's like the way a truck can still push someone down even if it's not moving fast enough (has enough Ki power) to harm them.

Get your manga and take a look at Cell's face. He did some pain expressions. And after Tien collapses Cell get out of the crater with scratches. It's implicit that the Shin Kikoho hurted Cell and did some superficial injures to him.

[apex_pretador]

So, Yamcha surpassed a Goku who was stronger than Vegeta after 2 trips inside the RoSaT. How?

What other method exists that allows the Earthlings to keep up? Except you know, Toei and "plot".

It is DB elsewhere yamcha .

How strong do you think Mr. Satan is? I figure he'd be around 7 in his prime.

Also, how would you define the phrase "Many times stronger"? I figured that by making Z Goku's power level 924 and BoDB Goku's power level 10 you could make all of these statements fit, but it turns out there's a lot of 'em in DB. What's the lowest possible value for this?

What statements you want to fit in? I remember daimao using "less than half" power.

[Gog]

So, Yamcha surpassed a Goku who was stronger than Vegeta after 2 trips inside the RoSaT. How?

What other method exists that allows the Earthlings to keep up? Except you know, Toei and "plot".

It is DB elsewhere yamcha .

What? Did he have the plot force?

[TheUltimateNinja]

What statements you want to fit in? I remember daimao using "less than half" power.

Karin says Goku became many times stronger after the water training, Piccolo Daimao says Tambourine is many times stronger than Cymbal, Piccolo Jr. says he's many times stronger than Piccolo Daimao.

[apex_pretador]

Karin says Goku became many times stronger

Does he? I don't remember.

Piccolo Daimao says Tambourine is many times stronger than Cymbal

,

Tambournie = 110, Cymbal = 43
Seems fine , isn't it?

Piccolo Jr. says he's many times stronger than Piccolo Daimao

.

Piccolo sr = 216
Piccolo Jr = 348
Piccolo Jr full power = 660
Its good.

[DanielSSJ]

Get your manga and take a look at Cell's face. He did some pain expressions. And after Tien collapses Cell get out of the crater with scratches. It's implicit that the Shin Kikoho hurted Cell and did some superficial injures to him.

So the Kikoho has enough blunt force to knock the wind out of him and enough Ki power to leave some light scratches and buffs in his exoskeleton (which might actually be dirt), which disappear in a few pages anyways. Nothing that requires Tenshinhan's power shooting up to the hundreds of millions while using it.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Karin says Goku became many times stronger

Does he? I don't remember.

Piccolo Daimao says Tambourine is many times stronger than Cymbal

,

Tambournie = 110, Cymbal = 43
Seems fine , isn't it?

Piccolo Jr. says he's many times stronger than Piccolo Daimao

.

Piccolo sr = 216
Piccolo Jr = 348
Piccolo Jr full power = 660
Its good.

The gap between Yajirobe and Cymbal wasn't all that large and Yajirobe put up a pretty decent fight against Goku, though. And how do you end up with Piccolo Daimao at only 216? He should be a lot stronger than that.

Let's say Goku was at 30 pre-Karin and got up to 80-90 post, and then further powered up to 100 over the next 3 years until the 22nd Budokai. Old Piccolo should already be close to 250 considering how easily he thrashed Goku with less than half power, and then he got a lot stronger when he became young again so he's got to be approaching 300.

[apex_pretador]

The gap between Yajirobe and Cymbal wasn't all that large and Yajirobe put up a pretty decent fight against Goku, though. And how do you end up with Piccolo Daimao at only 216? He should be a lot stronger than that.

Let's say Goku was at 30 pre-Karin and got up to 80-90 post, and then further powered up to 100 over the next 3 years until the 22nd Budokai. Old Piccolo should already be close to 250 considering how easily he thrashed Goku with less than half power, and then he got a lot stronger when he became young again so he's got to be approaching 300.

Yajirobe utterly stomped Cymbal.

I somehow end up with Daimao having 216 because it satisfies Krillin and Tien's BoZ levels as well as fits Kami's suppressed power level too.

Why do you think goku got multiple times stronger in his training with Karin? When was it stated?

[TheUltimateNinja]

The gap between Yajirobe and Cymbal wasn't all that large and Yajirobe put up a pretty decent fight against Goku, though. And how do you end up with Piccolo Daimao at only 216? He should be a lot stronger than that.

Let's say Goku was at 30 pre-Karin and got up to 80-90 post, and then further powered up to 100 over the next 3 years until the 22nd Budokai. Old Piccolo should already be close to 250 considering how easily he thrashed Goku with less than half power, and then he got a lot stronger when he became young again so he's got to be approaching 300.

Yajirobe utterly stomped Cymbal.

I somehow end up with Daimao having 216 because it satisfies Krillin and Tien's BoZ levels as well as fits Kami's suppressed power level too.

Why do you think goku got multiple times stronger in his training with Karin? When was it stated?

Yajirobe says Cymbal is an extremely strong guy, though, and he has some trouble before he goes full power.

And Karin says it when Goku accuses him of lying.


Chapter: 89, P14.1
Context: Goku accuses Karin of lying about the increase in power he should have received from the Super Holy Water.
Karin: “Nyahhahha! I didn’t trick you!! Your power has already become many times greater!”

[DBZ Macky]

My take on Goku and Piccolo's power level throughout the years (Before the 23rd Budokai), and my interpretation of the "several times" conundrum.
Oh and there's also Yajirobe, Cymbal and Tambourine.

Spoiler:

Goku (BoDB)= 10
Goku (21st Budokai)= 50
Goku (Pre-Karin)= 55
Goku (Post-Karin)= 125
Goku (22nd Budokai)= 180
Goku (Super God Water)= 260

Piccolo (Old)= 240
Piccolo (Full Power/ Bakurikimaha)= 500
Piccolo (Young)= 260

Yajirobe= 150
Cymbal= 65
Tambourine= 135

It fits in pretty easily if you assume Piccolo meant a full powered/ amplified blast when he was talking about his power level.
Also, I like to substitute any value between 2-2.5x for "several times" since we don't have much leg room and the wording is vague enough as it is.

Besides, I didn't interpret the Yajirobe and Cymbal fight as them being distant rivals, rather, it just seems Yajirobe was a late-starter and killed Cymbal quite easily after he got a bit serious. I'd say he was more of a rival to Goku instead.