The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Kaboom]

It seems to me to be a combination of both, at least when it comes to the Dabra battle. Gohan's lost power, but he's still strong enough that he should be able to beat Dabra without much trouble. Problem is, he's also so rusty at fighting from slacking off that Dabra's matching him at every turn despite the power difference.

[ZombieVito]

I just read that fight again. Dabura couldn't even hit a weak Gohan once. The kids might have this.

[RandomGuy96]

I just read that fight again. Dabura couldn't even hit a weak Gohan once. The kids might have this.

He hit him with a blast, and Goku said Gohan was losing. And Gohan wasn't exactly weak. Strong enough to easily smash the kids.

[ZombieVito]

I meant physically hit him, still the blast did nothing to him and Goku said he wasn't losing.

What I meant with weak is that Kibito never healed him to 100% and the kids aren't that far off of him.

Something like this:

SSJ Gohan: 400
SSJ Gohan (healed): 375
Dabura: 370
SSJ Trunks: 360
SSJ Goten: 350

Trunks can definitely can win.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Trunks doesn't stand a chance in Hell, see what I did there . Goten and Trunks just aren't on Gohan's level IMO. The popular belief these days is that Goten and Trunks are somehow as strong as Gohan, but I find that to be a ludicrous suggestion.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Chapter: 455 (DBZ 261), P6.1-2
Context: as Dabra fights Gohan
Goku: “Magic, huh? [Dabra]’s way stronger than I thought, ain’t he?”
Vegeta: “Hmph…Even so, he’s not an opponent [he? we?] can’t win against. [Gohan]’s so pathetic…So much so that he was stronger as a brat…”
Goku: “He really did slack off!”

Stronger as a brat. The statement is pretty clear, no mention of skills at all.

SSJ Kid Gohan >> SSJ Teen Gohan. Unless you have him as a SSJ2 but that doesn't make sense.

Goku says that Dabra is stronger because of his skills, so Vegeta can also be talking about Gohan skills having gotten worst, which made him weaker. Not saying that it's a fact, but it is a valid interpretation.

[Hellspawn28]

Vegeta after he is healed up by Dende vs. Freeza in his third form. Would Vegeta would able to take down Freeza?

[Kamiccolo9]

Vegeta after he is healed up by Dende vs. Freeza in his third form. Would Vegeta would able to take down Freeza?

Vegeta was confident in fighting Final Form Freeza after being healed. Of course, he was wrong, but initial FF Freeza should be stronger than 3rd Form Freeza, so Vegeta should take this.

[Kaboom]

I'd say Vegeta was stronger than 3rd-form Freeza after that, too. The problem was that Freeza became more powerful in the jump to his true form than anyone expected.

[dbzfan7]

Vegeta should win.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Vegeta wins.

[TheGmGoken]

Vegeta wins.

Goku vs 2nd form Freeza. Goku is at 90k and the highest Kaioken he can use without strain draining his body(KKx3 and KKx4 ect) is Kaioken x14

[ZombieVito]

Vegeta wins.

Goku vs 2nd form Freeza. Goku is at 90k and the highest Kaioken he can use without strain draining his body(KKx3 and KKx4 ect) is Kaioken x14

Where is that stated?

Freeza wins IMO. Unless Goku uses a full power Kamehameha.

[TheGmGoken]

Vegeta wins.

Goku vs 2nd form Freeza. Goku is at 90k and the highest Kaioken he can use without strain draining his body(KKx3 and KKx4 ect) is Kaioken x14

Where is that stated?

Freeza wins IMO. Unless Goku uses a full power Kamehameha.

Never stated anywhere. It's the rules of the fight. Just like how certain fights on here had No SSJ rule.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Freeza wins because the difference between Goku and Freeza at Kaioken x14 isn't big enough for a kill.

[ZombieVito]

Ah ok, then: Goku at 14 times Kaioken will be at 1,260,000. Still not enough to kill, unless he does a Kamehameha (1,890,000).

[TheMightyOzaru]

SSJ4 Goku(Buu Arc) vs Ultimate Gohan
I've recently revised my list to be more faithful to what the manga suggests and I have these 2 here, where do you guys have them and who do you think would pull a victory:
SSJ4 Goku(Buu): 512,000,000,000
Ultimate Gohan: 400,000,000,000
EDIT: I've made another new list, big surprise, and I have these 2 here now:
SSJ4 Goku(Buu): 320,000,000,000
Ultimate Gohan: 180,000,000,000

[RandomGuy96]

Goku murders everyone in the Buu Saga with SS4, because I find the x40,000 multiplier to be the most logical. I don't think anyone in the Buu Saga is 100 times stronger than SS3 Goku, which they'd need to be to match SS4 Goku (3.2 trillion).

[TheMightyOzaru]

I still don't get that to be honest. 100 times SSJ3 just comes out of nowhere. Sure it can make sense power scaling-wise, but the extra 10 times boost, where does it come from? SSJ4 should just be Oozaru x SSJ3.

[RandomGuy96]

I still don't get that to be honest. 100 times SSJ3 just comes out of nowhere. Sure it can make sense power scaling-wise, but the extra 10 times boost, where does it come fro?. SSJ4 should just be Oozaru x SSJ3.

The GT Perfect Files draw a parralel between Baby's forms and the SS forms- which is supported by the fact that they physically resemble them. We see Baby in his first form MURDERSTOMP SS3 Goku. SS3 Goku is 400 times stronger than base Goku. Let's just put Baby at a neat number, x500, to put him in stomping range.

He does two transformations on top of that. Following normal SS boosts, he shoots to x4000 Goku's base. This form is absolutely no match for SS4 Goku. But then stack Golden Ozaru on top of that and you get x40,000 Goku's base. He proceeds to fight evenly with SS4 Goku in that form. Giving SS4 a ten times boost over Golden Ozaru makes everything fit perfectly.

And no, it shouldn't just be that. That comes out of nowhere. Golden Ozaru could logically be that, since it's the form immediately after SS3, but SS4 = Golden Ozaru is obviously impossible.