Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[apex_pretador]

Goku also mentions something similar back in the 22nd Budokai, that he has a "battle use" power that's far above the power he normally uses and is reserved only for battles to the death. Kami most likely helped him refine this concept and only tap into it when he really needs it.

Also, that gap between Z Goku and 23rd TB Goku is too large. Raditz said Goku's power level was still rising when he hit 924, so he could very well be as high as 980 or so, so perhaps they could be a single > gap between his Z and 23rd TB self, but beyond that it's really hard to fit him well below Raditz.

I personally put 23rd TB Goku/Piccolo at around 750 or so. We do know that they both trained like hell for 5 years so they must be significantly improved.

Tenshinhan (and the others humans) are stronger than the numbers showed on the begining. Tien > Young Daimao >= Krillin > Yamcha > Old Daimao. They were probably using that "Match level".

The humans don't know how to suppress powers.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Goku also mentions something similar back in the 22nd Budokai, that he has a "battle use" power that's far above the power he normally uses and is reserved only for battles to the death. Kami most likely helped him refine this concept and only tap into it when he really needs it.

Also, that gap between Z Goku and 23rd TB Goku is too large. Raditz said Goku's power level was still rising when he hit 924, so he could very well be as high as 980 or so, so perhaps they could be a single > gap between his Z and 23rd TB self, but beyond that it's really hard to fit him well below Raditz.

I personally put 23rd TB Goku/Piccolo at around 750 or so. We do know that they both trained like hell for 5 years so they must be significantly improved.

But considering all the "many times stronger" statements said in DB, you'd have to make Goku gain almost nothing from his pre-21st Budokai and pre-22nd Budokai training to fit him that low by the 23rd TB. And this is not possible since he clearly became a lot stronger.

[RehBeh]

Tenshinhan (and the others humans) are stronger than the numbers showed on the begining. Tien > Young Daimao >= Krillin > Yamcha > Old Daimao. They were probably using that "Match level".


The humans don't know how to suppress powers.

They don't?!

[TheUltimateNinja]

Tenshinhan (and the others humans) are stronger than the numbers showed on the begining. Tien > Young Daimao >= Krillin > Yamcha > Old Daimao. They were probably using that "Match level".


The humans don't know how to suppress powers.

They don't?!

They learned it from Kami.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Can anyone make a list for DB accounting for all of the following power gaps?
Goku
BoDB > 21st Budokai: Shown, implied and stated to have improved tremendously, likely ~2x boost

21st Budokai > Red Ribbon Army/Uranai Baba: Goes from getting almost oneshotted by Tao to stomping him, stated to have become many times stronger by Karin. Also effortlessly beats opponents who Roshi says could have beaten his Budokai self. ~3x at least.

Uranai Baba > 22nd Budokai: Improves enough to surprise everyone, but this doesn't imply huge improvement. Also beats Kuririn who rivals Post-Karin Goku fairly easily using only match level power and is slightly stronger than Tenshinhan who wrecked Yamcha. Maybe ~30-40%.improvement.

22nd Budokai > Piccolo Daimao: Goes from getting stomped by Old Piccolo who was at less than half power to slightly stronger than Young Piccolo who is stated to be considerably more powerful than old Piccolo. Easily 3x+ boost.

Piccolo Daimao > 23rd Budokai: Becomes far stronger than Kami who effortlessly finger flicked his Post-God Water self. Is also slightly stronger than Piccolo who says he's many times stronger than Piccolo Daimao, he wasn't bluffing since it's that stated that everyone working together wouldn't stand a chance against exhausted Piccolo. This means that even while exhausted Piccolo is much stronger than Kami who is so far above Post-God Water Goku he can finger flick him, so his claim of being many times stronger than Piccolo Daimao is true. Again another ~3x boost.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

The humans don't know how to suppress powers.

Goku showed the hability to supress his power even before training with Kami. Also, all the numbers showed on BoZ conflict with the Piccolo Saga levels.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Can anyone make a list for DB accounting for all of the following power gaps?
Goku
BoDB > 21st Budokai: Shown, implied and stated to have improved tremendously, likely ~2x boost

21st Budokai > Red Ribbon Army/Uranai Baba: Goes from getting almost oneshotted by Tao to stomping him, stated to have become many times stronger by Karin. Also effortlessly beats opponents who Roshi says could have beaten his Budokai self. ~3x at least.

Uranai Baba > 22nd Budokai: Improves enough to surprise everyone, but this doesn't imply huge improvement. Also beats Kuririn who rivals Post-Karin Goku fairly easily using only match level power and is slightly stronger than Tenshinhan who wrecked Yamcha. Maybe ~30-40%.improvement.

22nd Budokai > Piccolo Daimao: Goes from getting stomped by Old Piccolo who was at less than half power to slightly stronger than Young Piccolo who is stated to be considerably more powerful than old Piccolo. Easily 3x+ boost.

Piccolo Daimao > 23rd Budokai: Becomes far stronger than Kami who effortlessly finger flicked his Post-God Water self. Is also slightly stronger than Piccolo who says he's many times stronger than Piccolo Daimao, he wasn't bluffing since it's that stated that everyone working together wouldn't stand a chance against exhausted Piccolo. This means that even while exhausted Piccolo is much stronger than Kami who is so far above Post-God Water Goku he can finger flick him, so his claim of being many times stronger than Piccolo Daimao is true. Again another ~3x boost.

I would give Goku a greater boost at Roshi's training and his 22nd Budokai training. Just 2x is too tight to put the other levels, and 1.3-1.4x is too small, he defeated Krillin (Who was >= Baba Goku) without even using his max. I give 2.5-3x for 21st Budokai and 1.5-2x for the 22nd.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Can anyone make a list for DB accounting for all of the following power gaps?
Goku
BoDB > 21st Budokai: Shown, implied and stated to have improved tremendously, likely ~2x boost

21st Budokai > Red Ribbon Army/Uranai Baba: Goes from getting almost oneshotted by Tao to stomping him, stated to have become many times stronger by Karin. Also effortlessly beats opponents who Roshi says could have beaten his Budokai self. ~3x at least.

Uranai Baba > 22nd Budokai: Improves enough to surprise everyone, but this doesn't imply huge improvement. Also beats Kuririn who rivals Post-Karin Goku fairly easily using only match level power and is slightly stronger than Tenshinhan who wrecked Yamcha. Maybe ~30-40%.improvement.

22nd Budokai > Piccolo Daimao: Goes from getting stomped by Old Piccolo who was at less than half power to slightly stronger than Young Piccolo who is stated to be considerably more powerful than old Piccolo. Easily 3x+ boost.

Piccolo Daimao > 23rd Budokai: Becomes far stronger than Kami who effortlessly finger flicked his Post-God Water self. Is also slightly stronger than Piccolo who says he's many times stronger than Piccolo Daimao, he wasn't bluffing since it's that stated that everyone working together wouldn't stand a chance against exhausted Piccolo. This means that even while exhausted Piccolo is much stronger than Kami who is so far above Post-God Water Goku he can finger flick him, so his claim of being many times stronger than Piccolo Daimao is true. Again another ~3x boost.

I would give Goku a greater boost at Roshi's training and his 22nd Budokai training. Just 2x is too tight to put the other levels, and 1.3-1.4x is too small, he defeated Krillin (Who was >= Baba Goku) without even using his max. I give 2.5-3x for 21st Budokai and 1.5-2x for the 22nd.

Yeah, but I''m trying to reduce the gaps where possible since if you increase the Budokai gaps that much he'd be stronger than Raditz' implied power level (A little over 1,200, possibly 1,300 or so) and nearly as strong as his official power level (1,500).

[VegetaSSJBlue]

POWER MULTIPLIERS

Oozaru – 10x
Super Saiyan – 50x
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 75x
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 100x
Super Saiyan 2 – 200x
Super Saiyan 3 – 500x

Raditz Arc

[spoiler]Son Gohan – 1
Enraged – 1,307

Son Goku – 416
Piccolo – 408
Tenshinhan – 250
Kuririn – 206
Yamcha – 177
Chaozu – 150
Yajirobe – 145
Muten Roshi – 139

Kaio of the North – 5,000
Enma Daio – 2,500
Kami of Earth – 325
Mr. Popo – 280

Raditz – 1,200
Oozaru – 12,000[/spoiler]

Saiyan Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 8,000
Kaio-Ken x2 – 16,000
Kaio-Ken x3 – 24,000
Kaio-Ken x4 – 32,000

Son Gohan – 1,200
Enraged – 2,800
Oozaru – 12,000

Piccolo – 2,500
Tenshinhan – 1,800
Kuririn – 1,500
Yamcha – 1,300
Chaozu – 1,000
Yajirobe – 800

Saibaimen – 1,200

Nappa – 7,500
Oozaru – 75,000

Vegeta – 18,000
Oozaru – 180,000[/spoiler]

Namek Arc

[spoiler]Son Goku – 90,000
Kaio-Ken x2 – 180,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 900,000

Vegeta – 24,000
Post-recovery – 30,000
Post-recovery 2 – 50,000

Son Gohan – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 12,000
Post-recovery – 30,000

Kuririn – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 11,000

Dende – 200
Power Unlocked – 500

Muri – 1,000
Young Namekians – 3,000
Nail – 42,000

Freeza – 530,000
Freeza Soldiers – 1,250
Kwi – 18,000
Dodoria – 20,000

Zarbon – 22,000
Transformed – 29,000

Gurd – 2,500
Recoome – 40,000
Butta – 40,000
Jheese – 40,000
Captain Ginyu – 120,000[/spoiler]

Freeza Arc

[spoiler]Son Goku – 2,000,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 20,000,000
Kaio-Ken x20 – 40,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000

Vegeta – 500,000
Post-recovery – 1,750,000

Son Gohan – 150,000
Enraged – 750,000
Post-recovery – 600,000
Enraged – 1,500,000

Piccolo – 200,000
Merged with Nail – 1,200,000

Kuririn – 11,000

Freeza – 530,000
Second Form – 800,000
Power-Up 1 – 900,000
Power-Up 2 – 1,050,000
Third Form – 1,575,000
True Form – 2,100,000
50% Power – 47,500,000
70% Power – 66,500,000
100% Power – 95,000,000[/spoiler]

Mecha Freeza Arc

[spoiler]Son Goku – 2,500,000
Super Saiyan – 125,000,000

Trunks – 2,400,000
Super Saiyan – 120,000,000

Vegeta – 2,000,000
Piccolo – 1,500,000
Son Gohan – 600,000
Tenshinhan – 16,000
Kuririn – 12,000
Yamcha – 8,000
Chaozu – 4,000

Freeza Soldiers – 1,250
King Cold – 100,000,000
Mecha Freeza – 100,000,000[/spoiler]

Future Arc I

[spoiler]Future Gohan – 2,250,000
Super Saiyan – 112,500,000

Kid Trunks – 40,000
Super Saiyan – 2,000,000

Future Android 18 – 190,000,000
Future Android 17 – 200,000,000[/spoiler]


Artificial Human Arc

[spoiler]Son Goku – 3,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000

Vegeta – 3,150,000
Super Saiyan – 157,500,000
Post-RoSaT – 6,500,000
Super Saiyan – 325,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 487,500,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 650,000,000

Trunks – 2,650,000
Super Saiyan – 132,500,000
Post-RoSaT – 6,250,000
Super Saiyan – 312,500,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 468,750,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 625,000,000

Piccolo – 120,000,000
Super Namekian – 200,000,000

Gohan – 2,000,000
Tenshinhan – 20,000
Kuririn – 15,000
Yamcha – 10,000
Chaozu – 5,000

Android 19 – 60,000,000
Post-absorption – 90,000,000

Android 20 – 65,000,000
Post-absorption – 97,500,000

Android 18 – 190,000,000
Android 17 – 200,000,000
Android 16 – 250,000,000

Cell – 170,000,000
Humans Absorbed – 250,000,000
Second Form – 325,000,000
Full Power – 400,000,000
Perfect Form – 450,000,000
Power Up – 575,000,000
Bulked Up – 725,000,000[/spoiler]

Cell Games Arc
[spoiler]Son Gohan – 37,500,000
Super Saiyan – 1,875,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 7,500,000,000
Injured – 3,600,000,000

Son Goku – 32,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,600,000,000

Vegeta – 25,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,250,000,000

Trunks – 24,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,200,000,000

Piccolo – 1,000,000,000
Android 16 – 250,000,000

Cell Juniors – 1,275,000,000

Perfect Cell – 1,675,000,000
Full Speed – 1,875,000,000
Full Power – 2,400,000,000
Bulked Up – 3,000,000,000
"Super Perfect" – 4,000,000,000[/spoiler]

Future Arc II

[spoiler]Trunks – 24,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,200,000,000
3 Years Later – 27,500,000
Super Saiyan – 1,375,000,000

Future Android 18 – 190,000,000
Future Android 17 – 200,000,000
Cell – 250,000,000[/spoiler]


Buu Arc

[spoiler]Son Goku – 40,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 8,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 20,000,000,000

Vegeta – 36,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,800,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 7,200,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 [Majin boost] – 8,000,000,000

Son Gohan – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 6,000,000,000
Ultimate – 60,000,000,000

Son Goten – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,000,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 25,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,250,000,000

Trunks – 21,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,050,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 25,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,250,000,000

Gotenks – 8,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 20,000,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 10,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 25,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 50,000,000,000

Vegetto – 80,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 200,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 400,000,000,000

Piccolo – 1,300,000,000
Android 18 – 190,000,000
Tenshinhan – 25,000
Kuririn – 12,500
Yamcha – 8,000
Chaozu – 6,000
Dende – 2,000

Grand Kaioshin – 18,000,000,000
Kaioshin of the South – 25,000,000,000
Kaioshin of the North – 2,000,000,000
Kaioshin of the West – 1,750,000,000

Rou Kaioshin – 1,000,000
Kibito – 10,000,000
Kaioshin of the East - 1,500,000,000
Merged – 17,500,000,000

Babidi – 10
Pui Pui – 22,500
Yakon – 45,000,000
Dabra – 4,000,000,000

Pure Boo – 20,000,000,000
Buff Boo – 45,000,000,000
Majin Boo – 18,000,000,000
Evil Boo – 10,000,000,000
Good Boo – 8,000,000,000
Super Boo – 40,000,000,000
+ Gotenks – 90,000,000,000
+ Son Gohan – 100,000,000,000[/spoiler]

28th Tenkaichi Budokai Arc

[spoiler]Son Goku – 50,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 10,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 25,000,000,000

Vegeta – 45,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,250,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 9,000,000,000

Son Goten – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000

Trunks – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000

Son Gohan – 60,000,000,000
Mister Boo – 8,000,000,000
Piccolo – 1,750,000,000
Oob – 50,000,000
Pan – 2,000,000[/spoiler]

[Noah]

*Power Level list*

Why are you posting the same list on every page?

[dragonball0900]

My only concern on trying to begin a DB power level list is Krillin and Yamcha. In the 23rd Budokai, they were supposed to be nearly on the same league, with both of them being able to see Tien and Goku's movements on fighting, as well as Yamcha being complemented by Kami. Yamcha was weaker than Krillin, but that much weaker.

In BOZ, however, it looks like they are far apart in power, with Yamcha being 177 and Krillin being in 206. I don't really know if Yamcha's 177 number is that correct. Thoughts?

[VegetaSSJBlue]

*Power Level list*

Why are you posting the same list on every page?

It is not the same list, I always correct things.

[ahill1]

Freeza Saga


Kuririn 200,000
Son Gohan 250,000

Piccolo (weighted) 275,000
~W/o Weights 300,000

Vegeta 480,000

Freeza ( 1st Form ) 530,000

Son Gohan ( Enranged ) 1,000,000

Freeza 2nd ( Initial ) 1,060,000
~ Power Up 1,300,000
~FP 1,600,000

Piccolo W/ Nail ( Weighted ) 1,350,000
~ ( W/o Weights ) 1,700,000

Gohan ( Zenkai ) 1,000,000
~ ( Enranged ) 1,900,000
~ Masenko 2,150,000

Freeza 3rd Form 2,250,000

Vegeta 4,000,000

Freeza 4,500,000
~ Speed Up 6,600,000
~ 50% 140,000,000
~ 70% 196,000,000
~100% 280,000,000

Son Goku 6,000,000
~ Kaioken x10 60,000,000
~ Kaioken x20 120,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 300,000,000


Trunks Saga

Yamcha 100,000
Tenshinhan 150,000
Kuririn 250,000
Son Gohan 1,000,000
Piccolo 6,000,000
Vegeta 6,600,000

King Cold 160,000,000

Mecha Freeza ( Suppressed ) 160,000,000
~ Full Power 315,000,000

Trunks 8,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 400,000,000

Son Goku 8,800,000
~ Super Saiyan 440,000,000


Future Saga

Son Gohan ( 2 Arms ) 5,600,000
~ Super Saiyan 280,000,000

Son Gohan ( 1 Arm ) 7,200,000
~ Super Saiyan 360,000,000

Trunks 8,000,000
~Super Saiyan 400,000,000

18 800,000,000

17 ( Less than half ) 320,000,000
~ FP 800,000,000

Androids Saga

Yamcha 4,000,000
Tenshinhan 6,000,000
Kuririn 7,500,000
Son Gohan 10,000,000

Android 19 350,000,000
~ Post Absorption 440,000,000

Android 20 420,000,000
~ Post Absorption 500,000,000

Piccolo 600,000,000

Trunks 14,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 700,000,000

Son Goku 15,400,000
~ Super Saiyan 770,000,000

Vegeta 16,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 800,000,000

Imperfect Cell 930,000,000

18 1,100,000,000

17 1,200,000,000

Piccolo W/ Kami ( Weighted ) 1,100,000,000
~ W/o Weights 1,200,000,000

16 2,400,000,000

Imperfect Cell 2,500,000,000

Semi Cell ( Initial ) 7,500,000,000
~ FP 10,000,000,000

Vegeta 150,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 7,500,000,000
~ SSJG2 15,000,000,000

Trunks 140,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 7,000,000,000
~ SSJG2 14,000,000,000
~ SSJG3 36,000,000,000

Perfect Cell ( Initial ) 13,000,000,000
~ Actual Power 30,000,000,000
~ Buff 44,000,000,000

Cell Games

Piccolo 30,000,000,000

Trunks 780,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 39,000,000,000

Vegeta 800,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 40,000,000,000

Cell Juniors 41,000,000,000

Son Goku 1,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan (50%) 30,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan FP 60,000,000,000

Perfect Cell ( Initial ) 30,000,000,000
~ Powered Up 66,000,000,000
~ Real Speed 80,000,000,000
~ Full Power 200,000,000,000
~ Buff 250,000,000,000
~ Super Perfect 290,000,000,000

Son Gohan 1,600,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 80,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan2 320,000,000,000


Boo Saga

Yamcha 4,000,000
Tenshinhan 7,000,000
Kuririn 7,500,000

Kibito 300,000,000
Pocus 600,000,000
18 1,100,000,000
Yakon 1,800,000,000

Piccolo 35,000,000,000

Kaioshin 50,000,000,000

Son Goten 1,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 50,000,000,000

Trunks 1,050,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 52,500,000,000

Dabura 62,500,000,000

Son Gohan 1,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 60,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan2 240,000,000,000

Vegeta 1,500,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 75,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan2 300,000,000,000

Majin Vegeta 1,800,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 90,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan2 360,000,000,000

Good Boo 562,500,000,000

Gray Boo 937,500,000,000

Son Gohan ( Post Zeta ) 6,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 300,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan2 1,200,000,000,000

Fat Boo ( Initial ) 250,000,000,000
~ Power Up (1) 400,000,000,000
~ Power Up (2) 450,000,000,000
~ Power Up (3) 1,000,000,000,000
~ Full Power 1,500,000,000,000

Kid Boo 1,750,000,000,000

Son Goku 1,800,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 90,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan2 360,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan3 1,800,000,000,000

Gotenks 80,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2,000,000,000,000

Super Boo 20,000,000,000,000

Gotenks ( Post Rosat ) 3,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 7,500,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan2 11,250,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan3 22,500,000,000,000

Buff Boo 25,000,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan 30,000,000,000,000

Bootenks 42,500,000,000,000

Boohan 50,000,000,000,000

Vegetto 40,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 100,000,000,000,000


Note: Multipliers for fusions are reduced.

[DanielSSJ]

*Power Level list*

Why are you posting the same list on every page?

It is not the same list, I always correct things.

I'd just put it in your signature if you're constantly updating things.

[ekrolo2]

Would a potara fusion between Tien and Goku have been able to take down Boohan? Assuming he had full access to all of Goku's unlocked SS forms at his disposal?

[RehBeh]

Would a potara fusion between Tien and Goku have been able to take down Boohan? Assuming he had full access to all of Goku's unlocked SS forms at his disposal?

Nah, the gap is too big to make a differrence.

[apex_pretador]

Tenshinhan (and the others humans) are stronger than the numbers showed on the begining. Tien > Young Daimao >= Krillin > Yamcha > Old Daimao. They were probably using that "Match level".


The humans don't know how to suppress powers.

They don't?!

Not by BoZ.

The humans don't know how to suppress powers.

Goku showed the hability to supress his power even before training with Kami. Also, all the numbers showed on BoZ conflict with the Piccolo Saga levels.

No he didn't (don't bring out that "match level" thing because we dont know if it was him able to fight without going all out by practicing to hold back rather than suppressing his power and the dialogue between krillin, bulma completely throws away any possibility of them being "suppressed"

Would a potara fusion between Tien and Goku have been able to take down Boohan? Assuming he had full access to all of Goku's unlocked SS forms at his disposal?

He somehow turns out to be weaker than buutenks even as SS3, and even with a kikoho, he can[t finish buutenks or buuhan.
Goku SS3 - 10
Gotien SS3 - 30
Super Buu - 16
Buutenks - 37
Buuhan - 40

[RehBeh]

Not by BoZ.

BoZ? Care to clarify that?

[Alruneia]

Not by BoZ.

BoZ? Care to clarify that?

Beginning of Z. Raditz/saiyan saga.

[RehBeh]

Not by BoZ.

BoZ? Care to clarify that?

Beginning of Z. Raditz/saiyan saga.

I immediately thought Battle of Z. Thanks for that.