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Post by Kiddo626 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:45 pm

Li'l Lemmy wrote:I guess it depends on how you look at it. The legendary Super Saiyan as outlined during the Freeza arc is an unfathomable beast who revels in destruction and slaughter. While Bardock is obviously painted to be the origin of the legend, I'm not certain that he fits the role given just how renowned the "Super Saiyan" was for his brutality. Bardock simply did not show that sort of animosity after transforming. It's as though Episode of Bardock was written to answer the question of the original "legendary Super Saiyan" without any careful consideration for the legend itself.

Broli, on the other hand, fits the description well. Although (or perhaps because) he is a freak, both genetically and behaviorally, he is different enough from the other Saiyans yet similar enough to the legend's description that I would personally hand over the "legendary" title to him. On the technical side of things, Broli's LSSj is unique, for good or ill, while Goku, Bardock and the other Saiyans access a form of Super Saiyan that's apparently far more common to the Saiyan genome than LSSj.

But, that's just my opinion.


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That's something I never understood. From what I recall, the LSSJ was supposed to have existed thousands of years before the current timeline. But, Broly was born around the same time as Goku, so how could he be the LSSJ? Unless I'm missing something... :?

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Post by sanorin » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:49 pm

Kiddo626 wrote:That's something I never understood. From what I recall, the LSSJ was supposed to have existed thousands of years before the current timeline. But, Broly was born around the same time as Goku, so how could he be the LSSJ? Unless I'm missing something... :?
Yeah, you are missing that the LSSJ is supposed to be born once every thousand years or something like that, so there could have been another "Broly" a thousand years ago.

After this special Episode of Bardock that changes everything, I believe that Bardock could have been the origin of the Super Saiyan legend, as the first super saiyan in history, but not the "Legendary Super Saiyan", which as some of you said, he would be a destruction beast like Broly.

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Post by ET93 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:48 pm

Hey guys,
I saw a question was asked in regard to whether it will or will not have subtitles, I know that nobody knows for sure. But just wondering does has anyone ever brought an issue which has any sort of subtitles? Because I'm really thinking of per-ordering this.

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Post by Pokewhiz7 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:54 pm

ET93 wrote:Hey guys,
I saw a question was asked in regard to whether it will or will not have subtitles, I know that nobody knows for sure. But just wondering does has anyone ever brought an issue which has any sort of subtitles? Because I'm really thinking of per-ordering this.
It might, but no other Dragon Ball DVDs in Japan do, so if you're going to order it, assume it won't have any.

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ET93 wrote:Hey guys,
I saw a question was asked in regard to whether it will or will not have subtitles, I know that nobody knows for sure. But just wondering does has anyone ever brought an issue which has any sort of subtitles? Because I'm really thinking of per-ordering this.
It might, but no other Dragon Ball DVDs in Japan do, so if you're going to order it, assume it won't have any.
Yeh, that's what I'm thinking too, I just thought it would be neat to own both the specials on DVD. Not sure though, do you think I should take the risk? :P

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Post by Rostir » Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:40 am

I know this special isn't supposed to be linked to the original series, but I can't help but post my thoughts here. Before I go any further please feel free to tell me that I have no idea what I'm talking about because I'm just putting on my brainstorming cap for a second.

How far back was Bardock transported to the past, who transported him, how, when?

Was it thousands of years? Hundreds? I would say hundreds since Chilled's spaceship, at least from the outside, looked similar to Frieza's.

Did Chilled not have the ability to transform? If the answer is yes, and if Chilled and Freeza are related, that could mean that not all members of that species can transform.

How injured was Bardock after he survived the Death Ball on Planet Vegeta? Judging from him being able to transform into a SSJ, I would say that he recovered from a brink of death situation which sky rocketed his powerlevel. Apparently only in this situation, if Bardock's powerlevel was at 10,000 at the time he was injured by the Death Ball his powerlevel must have increased at least by times 10.

Let's say that this is canon, how long can a healthy and fit Saiyan live before he dies of natural causes? If Bardock was only transported into the past about 50 years ago that means that he would still be alive around the time Goku transformed.
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Post by Craddle » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:07 am

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Post by samuraix123 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:09 am

I think I'm just going to wait for Funimation :(
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Post by Craddle » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:12 am

samuraix123 wrote:I think I'm just going to wait for Funimation :(

LOL... Good luck with that one. I don't care about subtitles that much to wait for FUNi. Sure they're nice and so would be a dub, but it's not like I don't already know what they're saying. And waiting for FUNi could take years.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:15 am

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Rostir wrote:I know this special isn't supposed to be linked to the original series
Who says it's not supposed to be? The Bardock TV Special is a prequel to the anime/manga, and this special, manga or anime version, is a sequel to it. Canon is up to the fan to decide personally, but unless you want to be extremely nitpicky, both can easily fit into the original manga's canon. Of course if you just don't like the specials, you can ignore one or the other or both. lol
Rostir wrote:How far back was Bardock transported to the past, who transported him, how, when?
1,000 years. Freeza? He blew up planet Vegeta. When it exploded.

It doesn't make much sense, but its still aimed for children, so I doubt they really cared. They are using "anything goes, its shonen" logic...
Rostir wrote:Was it thousands of years? Hundreds? I would say hundreds since Chilled's spaceship, at least from the outside, looked similar to Freeza's.
As stated, just a thousand, same as the legend. Confirmed on the DB Heroes website.
Rostir wrote:Did Chilled not have the ability to transform? If the answer is yes, and if Chilled and Freeza are related, that could mean that not all members of that species can transform.
Well, one would assume if he could transform, he would have. Though you could always take up the same stance as some fans do for King Cold vs. Trunks.

As for Freeza's race's transformations, Coola is the only one to display an actual transformation. Freeza created his lower forms to contain his power, and then canceled them in order to return to his true form. The Daizenshuu say Coola didn't need to do this because he could control his power, so I assume the same would hold true for the rest of the race. If Cold and Chilled could control their powers, then they wouldn't need to create extra forms to contain it. Coola on the other hand unlocked his race's version of Super Saiyan, so he went beyond his normal state...
Rostir wrote:How injured was Bardock after he survived the Death Ball on Planet Vegeta? Judging from him being able to transform into a SSJ, I would say that he recovered from a brink of death situation which sky rocketed his powerlevel. Apparently only in this situation, if Bardock's powerlevel was at 10,000 at the time he was injured by the Death Ball his powerlevel must have increased at least by times 10.
Injured enough to require the medical liquid that is used in the rejuvenation chambers seen in the present era. Nothing ever says how long Bardock was knocked out, but Ipana does say that Bardock would need another month to full heal, even with the liquid, in the manga version.

As for how strong Bardock got from his potential boost, the maximum was the 33% increase Goku gained to fight Freeza. I think a boost that large is unlikely, but Bardock may have gotten up to x33 stronger...
Rostir wrote:Let's say that this is canon, how long can a healthy and fit Saiyan live before he dies of natural causes? If Bardock was only transported into the past about 50 years ago that means that he would still be alive around the time Goku transformed.
They have the same lifespan as humans, so roughly a 100 years. They only stay younger longer, and then degrade faster after a certain point. The cutoff seems to be around age 70 according to DBO, as Goku and Vegeta wanted a final battle while still in their prime. This battle happened in Age 801, so Vegeta would have been 69...plus two years in the RoSaT, so 71. Since Bardock got shot back 1,000 years, he'd be long dead before Goku's transformed.
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Post by samuraix123 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:22 am

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samuraix123 wrote:I think I'm just going to wait for Funimation :(

LOL... Good luck with that one. I don't care about subtitles that much to wait for FUNi. Sure they're nice and so would be a dub, but it's not like I don't already know what they're saying. And waiting for FUNi could take years.
Yeah....I'm fully aware of how long it could take. But here's to hoping :)
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Post by Gonstead » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:30 am

I wonder if they would have Chris Ayers cast as Chilled if they did decide to dub it?
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Post by DBZ Mick » Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:41 am

Well, one would assume if he could transform, he would have. Though you could always take up the same stance as some fans do for King Cold vs. Trunks.

As for Freeza's race's transformations, Coola is the only one to display an actual transformation. Freeza created his lower forms to contain his power, and then canceled them in order to return to his true form. The Daizenshuu say Coola didn't need to do this because he could control his power, so I assume the same would hold true for the rest of the race. If Cold and Chilled could control their powers, then they wouldn't need to create extra forms to contain it. Coola on the other hand unlocked his race's version of Super Saiyan, so he went beyond his normal state...
People always seem to forget what I've bolded. Maybe it's the dub or something changing things? I always thought Cold probably never needed to develop transformations, and never thought he was in his 2nd form, I always thought that's just how he looks...

Maybe Freeza developed his second stage as a homage to his father or something.
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Post by Craddle » Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:51 am

DBZ Mick wrote:People always seem to forget what I've bolded.
I think most people don't read quotes. Change the font size or add an underline to make it more noticeable.

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Post by MCDaveG » Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:29 am

Chilled looks like surpressed form, but damn he fell asleep or what when Bardock attacked.
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MCDaveG wrote:Chilled looks like surpressed form, but damn he fell asleep or what when Bardock attacked.
I'm sure that if Chilled (or Cold) had more forms to show, we would have seen them.
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Post by MCDaveG » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:48 am

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MCDaveG wrote:Chilled looks like surpressed form, but damn he fell asleep or what when Bardock attacked.
I'm sure that if Chilled (or Cold) had more forms to show, we would have seen them.
I tried to made a little fun of it only. Yeah, if creators wanted, we could have SSj 8 and King Cold with two more transformations than Freeza. Imagination of creators have no limits.....
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Post by Craddle » Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:34 am

Does anyone know the release date of the March issue?

Edit: Nevermind, my cdjapan order details says 02/03/12.

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