Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

[ArchedThunder]

Rewatching the Super Shenlong summoning all of the frames of the dragon are well drawn (with many being VERY good)... but it's like the scene is comprised entirely of key frames with no inbetweens. I hope we're lucky and for the home video and international versions of the scene they go in and and some inbetweens, at least for the part where he rotates and the part where he grows huge (as seen in that gif above).

If Super Shenlong is summoned again in the future and they don't think they can properly animate him I hope they just go with CG.

[JulieYBM]

There was probably no time to do tweens.

[kinisking]

All the sumoning had very poor animation. Some expressions were funny, but the drawing was very lazy, especially with Vegeta.

Pretty meh episode in terms of animation.

Make up your mind bro, is the animation or the art bad?

Did you see the episode? Both things were really poor executed, especially the animation.

What? The art was really well done imo.

[HeroR]

Personally, I liked the summoning the animation really didn't look bad to me. Guess I have really low standards, but the animation and art never bothered me in Super except on a few occasions. I actually think Super looks very pretty most of the time.

Yamamuro, is that you?

No need to be a smart. I like what I like. I personally enjoyed the summoning process, you didn't. Different opinions, what a world we live in.

[PMD]

Personally, I liked the summoning the animation really didn't look bad to me. Guess I have really low standards, but the animation and art never bothered me in Super except on a few occasions. I actually think Super looks very pretty most of the time.

Yamamuro, is that you?

No need to be a smart. I like what I like. I personally enjoyed the summoning process, you didn't. Different opinions, what a world we live in.

Hey, it was just a joke my friend. Sorry if it bothered you. Didn't mean to.

[HeroR]

Hey, it was just a joke my friend. Sorry if it bothered you. Didn't mean to.

I apologized. I wasn't sure if you were kidding and I have seen too many dismissive comments when it comes to opinions on Super. Sorry for coming off as short.

[Hit!!]

This summoning was pretty bad animated in some points.

Those close ups fucking up the resolution of the characters are so lame, Super has been doing this a lot lately and I hate it. If they can't animate a close up, then don't even do it.

Also, Super Shenlong most of the time was a still image being enlarged on a computer most of the time.

[Sodhi]

I just watched last night's One Piece which features a similarly important character reveal. Of course that gets an incredible Shida cut to do it justice.

The difference between the two productions really is astounding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqKl54S ... e=youtu.be
Yea like really. Just watched it last night and oh man. This is how a new character should be revealed.

[FortuneSSJ]

I watched that too! I knew Shida would be the one to do that scene.
All OP key moments are being done by him nowadays. This is just another win for his book.

Talking about the voice actor, Kaido's voice should be deeper though.

[DragonHermit]

OP is pretty terrible most of the time though. They do come through on key scenes at least.

[Lord Beerus]

OP is pretty terrible most of the time though. They do come through on key scenes at least.

Whenever there is a significant character set to debut or there is an epic fight to happen, expect it to be usually great and for Shida to be behind. I mean, that Gear Fourth episode was just... phenomenal.

[Ajay]

OP is pretty terrible most of the time though. They do come through on key scenes at least.

Eh, not really. One Piece's animation issues are grossly exaggerated by its over-entitled and extremely ignorant fan base. It looks just fine for a weekly TV series burdened with staying away from a manga. Its episodes vary depending on its supervisor, which does of course mean there are a few who aren't the best, but that's pretty normal. Heck, it's grown several animators over the years into top tier talents. When it comes to important fights, key scenes, or transformations, the series really delivers. That's exactly what you want from a weekly TV series. Would be nice if Super met that standard.

[Wezenheim]

A show as long as One Piece is not going to have great looking episodes all of the time, it just isn't. That being said, its rarely, if ever, offensively bad and it delivers on the scenes that matter. If Super's production could even be anywhere close to One Piece's I'd be a happy guy. Even One Piece's movies have more impressive sakuga moments than the recent Dragon Ball ones! If I didn't also enjoy that series I'd be really jealous of it. Ajay hit the nail on the head. Tate really found himself when he joined the One Piece staff, as well as other Toei animators. They do a pretty decent job with it for a long running shonen anime.

[kinisking]

Well one piece didn't have the production issues that Super has had so isn't it foolish to think they'd be on the same level?

[ParkerAL]

Yeah, as far as I can tell -- being only a very casual fan, mind you -- the One Piece anime's only major fault is its slow pacing, and much like with Dragon Ball Z, the staff aren't allowed to fix that. For a long-running show that must use every trick in the book to not catch up to a manga, it does better than most.

[Wezenheim]

Well one piece didn't have the production issues that Super has had so isn't it foolish to think they'd be on the same level?

Well yes, that's why I said "if Super's production could be as good" meaning that I wish that it had been. If you were talking to me, that is. I don't expect Super to be near the same level, especially after episodes 39 and 41. That dragon summoning still has me shaking my head.

[kinisking]

Well one piece didn't have the production issues that Super has had so isn't it foolish to think they'd be on the same level?

Well yes, that's why I said "if Super's production could be as good" meaning that I wish that it had been. If you were talking to me, that is. I don't expect Super to be near the same level, especially after episodes 39 and 41. That dragon summoning still has me shaking my head.

Haha I was talking to the thread in general. I've seen a lot of comparisons to one piece before and just decided to say something about it. What didnt you like about episode 39 though?

[ArchedThunder]

I just watched last night's One Piece which features a similarly important character reveal. Of course that gets an incredible Shida cut to do it justice.

The difference between the two productions really is astounding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqKl54S ... e=youtu.be
Yea like really. Just watched it last night and oh man. This is how a new character should be revealed.

Out side of when he thrusts his arm out of the hole nothing here is really super amazing animation wise, it's just that nothing is bad.

Super's been getting fewer bad moments and usually the bad stuff now isn't too terrible, but man those two shots of Super Shenlong with the really bad digital movement are fucking awful. Super is going to be around a long time, so I assume the production will continue to improve and hopefully it can get to a quality similar to One Piece within a year or so. I have my fingers crossed that they are going to fill May and June with interim stuff while simultaneously working on the next arc that would start in July. I'm not getting my hopes up necessarily though.

[Wezenheim]

Well one piece didn't have the production issues that Super has had so isn't it foolish to think they'd be on the same level?

Well yes, that's why I said "if Super's production could be as good" meaning that I wish that it had been. If you were talking to me, that is. I don't expect Super to be near the same level, especially after episodes 39 and 41. That dragon summoning still has me shaking my head.

Haha I was talking to the thread in general. I've seen a lot of comparisons to one piece before and just decided to say something about it. What didnt you like about episode 39 though?

I enjoyed episode 39 a lot and there were cool bits here and there, but it was so bizarre to see just how many corners they had to cut for an episode that was meant to serve as the climax to the arc and intended to be a very important episode. I'm at least glad it turned out the way it did though, I don't want to harp on it too much.

[Avok]

I just watched last night's One Piece which features a similarly important character reveal. Of course that gets an incredible Shida cut to do it justice.

The difference between the two productions really is astounding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqKl54S ... e=youtu.be
Yea like really. Just watched it last night and oh man. This is how a new character should be revealed.

Out side of when he thrusts his arm out of the hole nothing here is really super amazing animation wise, it's just that nothing is bad.

Super's been getting fewer bad moments and usually the bad stuff now isn't too terrible, but man those two shots of Super Shenlong with the really bad digital movement are fucking awful. Super is going to be around a long time, so I assume the production will continue to improve and hopefully it can get to a quality similar to One Piece within a year or so. I have my fingers crossed that they are going to fill May and June with interim stuff while simultaneously working on the next arc that would start in July. I'm not getting my hopes up necessarily though.

At this point I feel like no matter how much time they have, Super will always look bad.
It's like the main problem isn't schedule, but a lack of fresh and talented staff (or atleast there some of the higher ups holding them down)

Like, these high budget films look so soulless and stiff when you compare them to more modest shows like Space Dandy or OPM, shows full of amazingly talented people that deliever interesting and high-quality scenes. Things like this.

There are good bits though, like for example this scene right here. The way the characters and the camera move is what I would expect from a Dragon Ball production. Non-lineal movement and diverse moves, not just zoomed-in punches. Even the character designs and the color palette is beautiful on that one (I preffer the ones of the 2008 special tho).

For Super to look -and sound- good it would need, aside from a better schedule, a complete overhaul of staff. From writers to directors, to composers, and animators.