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[8000 Saiyan]

I like romance in my stories and I'm not afraid to admit it. I would've preferred Goku with Suno. I don't know why, but it makes more sense to me than him ending up with Chichi because of a joke.

Him ending up with Snow makes even less sense, though. She was never relevant enough for it to go anywhere, especially not in Toriyama's manga.

It has nothing to do with story. That's not why I've ever liked any particular couple. It's based on chemistry, not plot reasons. They were cute together, characterwise. Suno's bravery is a plus.

There are actors who haven't voiced Batman that could have done better than him.

Greenwood isn't one of them. Bland would also not be my first adjective. He has a distinctive voice.

Greenwood had already voiced Batman before O'Mara.

[ABED]

No I mean he isn't one of the actors that could've done it better than O'Mara.

[8000 Saiyan]

No I mean he isn't one of the actors that could've done it better than O'Mara.

Did you like DiMaggio's Joker in Under the Red Hood?

[ABED]

No I mean he isn't one of the actors that could've done it better than O'Mara.

Did you like DiMaggio's Joker in Under the Red Hood?

It's not terrible, but he doesn't have a great Joker laugh, and his voice is a tad too deep, much like the actor who played The Joker on The Batman.

[8000 Saiyan]

No I mean he isn't one of the actors that could've done it better than O'Mara.

Did you like DiMaggio's Joker in Under the Red Hood?

It's not terrible, but he doesn't have a great Joker laugh, and his voice is a tad too deep, much like the actor who played The Joker on The Batman.

I had no problem with KMR's Joker, it's just an emulation of Hamill's Joker, but deeper. What did you think of Rino Romano's Batman and Hynden Walch's Harley Quinn?

[ABED]

Did you like DiMaggio's Joker in Under the Red Hood?

It's not terrible, but he doesn't have a great Joker laugh, and his voice is a tad too deep, much like the actor who played The Joker on The Batman.

I had no problem with KMR's Joker, it's just an emulation of Hamill's Joker, but deeper. What did you think of Rino Romano's Batman and Hynden Walch's Harley Quinn?

I've never been a fan of Harley EVER. I think she's a horrible character and don't see any appeal whatsoever in a character that got popular because she rode the coattails of an iconic character and girls seem starved for female characters in comics. The Joker loves Batman more than her, but too many claim she's his girlfriend. It seems like people are glamorizing an abusive relationship and that's disturbing. Also, I've never bought her backstory.

Romano's Batman grew on me.

Maybe we should take this to PM.

[8000 Saiyan]

It seems like people are glamorizing an abusive relationship and that's disturbing.

Those people are sick.
Romano's Batman is pretty underrated. He was also a pretty cool Spider-Man. Am I the only here who prefers him to Josh Keaton?

[Lunatic Fringe]

It seems like people are glamorizing an abusive relationship and that's disturbing.

Those people are sick.
Romano's Batman is pretty underrated. He was also a pretty cool Spider-Man. Am I the only here who prefers him to Josh Keaton?

Nope. Keaton's good but Romano's Spider-Man is always how I hear the character.

[ekrolo2]

How likely is it for the unseen timeline to have survived stuff like Majin Boo, Beerus, Freeza being resurrected? We know the people there are quite a bit weaker thanks to Trunks shutting down 17 & 18 so you have no Gohan as an SS, no Kamiccolo and no one going into the ROSAT.

[Doctor.]

How likely is it for the unseen timeline to have survived stuff like Majin Boo, Beerus, Freeza being resurrected? We know the people there are quite a bit weaker thanks to Trunks shutting down 17 & 18 so you have no Gohan as an SS, no Kamiccolo and no one going into the ROSAT.

I actually think things would go pretty much the same. There's no Kamiccolo period considering that Cell doesn't exist. I'm sure they'd probably fuse by the time Dabura and Babidi came around, but it wouldn't be enough. Goku and Vegeta could probably achieve Super Saiyan 2 through training during those 7 years and defeat Dabura and Babidi. Then the SSG ritual takes care of the power gap between the Saiyans and revived Freeza.

Same thing as in the main timeline, except no Cell Games or Boo. Gohan would be an even bigger weakling.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

How likely is it for the unseen timeline to have survived stuff like Majin Boo, Beerus, Freeza being resurrected? We know the people there are quite a bit weaker thanks to Trunks shutting down 17 & 18 so you have no Gohan as an SS, no Kamiccolo and no one going into the ROSAT.

I actually think things would go pretty much the same. There's no Kamiccolo period considering that Cell doesn't exist. I'm sure they'd probably fuse by the time Dabura and Babidi came around, but it wouldn't be enough. Goku and Vegeta could probably achieve Super Saiyan 2 through training during those 7 years and defeat Dabura and Babidi. Then the SSG ritual takes care of the power gap between the Saiyans and revived Freeza.

Same thing as in the main timeline, except no Cell Games or Boo. Gohan would be an even bigger weakling.

How would they fuse, exactly? The only reason they knew about fusion was because Goku learned about it in the afterlife.

[Doctor.]

How likely is it for the unseen timeline to have survived stuff like Majin Boo, Beerus, Freeza being resurrected? We know the people there are quite a bit weaker thanks to Trunks shutting down 17 & 18 so you have no Gohan as an SS, no Kamiccolo and no one going into the ROSAT.

I actually think things would go pretty much the same. There's no Kamiccolo period considering that Cell doesn't exist. I'm sure they'd probably fuse by the time Dabura and Babidi came around, but it wouldn't be enough. Goku and Vegeta could probably achieve Super Saiyan 2 through training during those 7 years and defeat Dabura and Babidi. Then the SSG ritual takes care of the power gap between the Saiyans and revived Freeza.

Same thing as in the main timeline, except no Cell Games or Boo. Gohan would be an even bigger weakling.

How would they fuse, exactly? The only reason they knew about fusion was because Goku learned about it in the afterlife.

I said Piccolo and Kami would fuse, not Goku and Vegeta. Kamiccolo wouldn't exist in the unseen timeline since Cell didn't exist, so they'd have to fuse once Babidi came around.

[ekrolo2]

Gohan would be an even bigger weakling.

You have no idea how right you are, in fact, it's very likely Gohan would never even get Super Saiyan while Goten and Trunks would thanks to their hax.

[Doctor.]

Gohan would be an even bigger weakling.

You have no idea how right you are, in fact, it's very likely Gohan would never even get Super Saiyan while Goten and Trunks would thanks to their hax.

Yeah, if Gohan never trained with Goku, it's likely that Chi-Chi would take him under her wing and never let him go, meaning he'd probably never get Super Saiyan, much less SS2 or his ultimate state. And, of course, by the time Beerus comes along, he's an adult, so he's pretty much relegated to the level of Yamcha & co of being completely useless. His hidden potential would go unnoticed the moment he grows up and he'd most likely never tap into it.

[kinisking]

How likely is it for the unseen timeline to have survived stuff like Majin Boo, Beerus, Freeza being resurrected? We know the people there are quite a bit weaker thanks to Trunks shutting down 17 & 18 so you have no Gohan as an SS, no Kamiccolo and no one going into the ROSAT.

I actually think things would go pretty much the same. There's no Kamiccolo period considering that Cell doesn't exist. I'm sure they'd probably fuse by the time Dabura and Babidi came around, but it wouldn't be enough. Goku and Vegeta could probably achieve Super Saiyan 2 through training during those 7 years and defeat Dabura and Babidi. Then the SSG ritual takes care of the power gap between the Saiyans and revived Freeza.

Same thing as in the main timeline, except no Cell Games or Boo. Gohan would be an even bigger weakling.

Goku and vegeta achieving super saiyan 2 doesn't mean they'll defeat Dabura and Babidi. It didn't mean that in the present time line either. I wouldn't be surprised if Goku was still ahead of vegeta and Majin vegeta happened again. Then the same thing would happen with Vegeta dying. This time Goku would be alive but presumably without super saiyan 3. I'm assuming goku would go and take the Z-sword instead of Gohan, break it, and then get his potential unlocked. Goku would then defeat Boo unless hes become super boo at that point. It's debatable whether or not gokus potential being unlocked would be able to beat super boo though.

[Doctor.]

How likely is it for the unseen timeline to have survived stuff like Majin Boo, Beerus, Freeza being resurrected? We know the people there are quite a bit weaker thanks to Trunks shutting down 17 & 18 so you have no Gohan as an SS, no Kamiccolo and no one going into the ROSAT.

I actually think things would go pretty much the same. There's no Kamiccolo period considering that Cell doesn't exist. I'm sure they'd probably fuse by the time Dabura and Babidi came around, but it wouldn't be enough. Goku and Vegeta could probably achieve Super Saiyan 2 through training during those 7 years and defeat Dabura and Babidi. Then the SSG ritual takes care of the power gap between the Saiyans and revived Freeza.

Same thing as in the main timeline, except no Cell Games or Boo. Gohan would be an even bigger weakling.

Goku and vegeta achieving super saiyan 2 doesn't mean they'll defeat Dabura and Babidi. It didn't mean that in the present time line either. They'd probably fuck up somehow .

It didn't mean that in the main timeline because it had been 7 years since they last saw each-other. I would figure that in these 7 years they had plenty of sparring matches and rematches and they had gotten over their rivalry much faster than our Goku and Vegeta did. By the Boo arc in that unseen timeline, they'd probably be at the same level of friendship that our Goku and Vegeta are at right now.

[ekrolo2]

It didn't mean that in the main timeline because it had been 7 years since they last saw each-other. I would figure that in these 7 years they had plenty of sparring matches and rematches and they had gotten over their rivalry much faster than our Goku and Vegeta did. By the Boo arc in that unseen timeline, they'd probably be at the same level of friendship that our Goku and Vegeta are at right now.

It is worth noting how good Goku and Vegeta could even get in seven years. Goku didn't vastly improve from his Namek self training with Piccolo & Gohan during the 3 years and various statements confirm he and Vegeta are barely any stronger than Cell Games Gohan was at his peak. It was the ROSAT which gives them the largest, post-Namek boost in strength.

[kinisking]

I actually think things would go pretty much the same. There's no Kamiccolo period considering that Cell doesn't exist. I'm sure they'd probably fuse by the time Dabura and Babidi came around, but it wouldn't be enough. Goku and Vegeta could probably achieve Super Saiyan 2 through training during those 7 years and defeat Dabura and Babidi. Then the SSG ritual takes care of the power gap between the Saiyans and revived Freeza.

Same thing as in the main timeline, except no Cell Games or Boo. Gohan would be an even bigger weakling.

Goku and vegeta achieving super saiyan 2 doesn't mean they'll defeat Dabura and Babidi. It didn't mean that in the present time line either. They'd probably fuck up somehow .

It didn't mean that in the main timeline because it had been 7 years since they last saw each-other. I would figure that in these 7 years they had plenty of sparring matches and rematches and they had gotten over their rivalry much faster than our Goku and Vegeta did. By the Boo arc in that unseen timeline, they'd probably be at the same level of friendship that our Goku and Vegeta are at right now.

I ended up editing my original post, but too late it seems. Anyways, my edited post is what I think would happen. I don't think that vegeta would act any differently to be honest. Sparring with goku would probably make him realize the difference in power even more. Once he learns of babidis magic, I wouldn't be surprised if he took advantage of it all over again. Although vegeta being alive doesn't even mean they would spar. They didn't seem to do so after the boo arc.

Also, I have my doubts about Gohan becoming weak. With goku around, I suspect he'd be wanting to get some bonding while not hitting the books. He wouldn't be as strong as his present counter part, but I think Goku would have made him a super saiyan at least.

[Doctor.]

It didn't mean that in the main timeline because it had been 7 years since they last saw each-other. I would figure that in these 7 years they had plenty of sparring matches and rematches and they had gotten over their rivalry much faster than our Goku and Vegeta did. By the Boo arc in that unseen timeline, they'd probably be at the same level of friendship that our Goku and Vegeta are at right now.

It is worth noting how good Goku and Vegeta could even get in seven years. Goku didn't vastly improve from his Namek self training with Piccolo & Gohan during the 3 years and various statements confirm he and Vegeta are barely any stronger than Cell Games Gohan was at his peak. It was the ROSAT which gives them the largest, post-Namek boost in strength.

Yeah, that's true. I think they'd at least be able to master Super Saiyan in 7 years, Super Saiyan 2 might have been pushing it a bit, but I still think it'd be plausible. Even so, assuming they'd only be able to master SS, whether or not they'd be able to defeat Dabura depends on how strong you consider him, SS or SS2-level.

If Piccolo trained for those 7 years THEN fused with Kami, he'd be stronger than our Piccolo, I reckon. I think the three would be able to deal with Dabura. Then, again, the SSG-ritual would take care of the power gap.

[ekrolo2]

Yeah, that's true. I think they'd at least be able to master Super Saiyan in 7 years, Super Saiyan 2 might have been pushing it a bit, but I still think it'd be plausible. Even so, assuming they'd only be able to master SS, whether or not they'd be able to defeat Dabura depends on how strong you consider him, SS or SS2-level.

If Piccolo trained for those 7 years THEN fused with Kami, he'd be stronger than our Piccolo, I reckon. I think the three would be able to deal with Dabura. Then, again, the SSG-ritual would take care of the power gap.

I forget, did Babidi coming to Earth have anything to do with the Cell Games or sensing strong powers on the planet? If it did, its possible he might come later or never. It's also possible Babidi appearing sooner in the main timeline was a byproduct of the time travel butterfly effect, in FTs version of history, he didn't come until Trunks was well into his 20 somethings as opposed to coming when Trunks was a kid.