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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Maphisto86 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:31 am

batistabus wrote:Well...that was anti-climactic.
Quite. . . I guess we now know why our heroes just stood around while the big bad transformed. Otherwise the series would have been even more dull than just standing there. :P :wink: I was actually expecting a real crazy battle of Freeza going through his forms against thousands of angry ozarus. I mean it didn't have to be long considering the amount of characters the poor artist would have to draw but I genuinely thought Freeza would have survived while Zarbon, Dodoria and gang went down with the ship. All well . . . perfectly good waste of a decent artist and classic but unseen premise. Now where is that fabled main story we keep hearing about?

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Saiga » Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:54 am

Attitudefan wrote:Because that is the only way he could get strong, just like Yamcha. My point is, some characters seem to get the special treatment while others get nothing, barely even an honourable mention. Freeza gets owned by a bunch of weaklings while Cell and Bojack (of all people) get to go out on sprees of killing.... now I know there's a universe where Freeza is #1 but most of the time he shown to be a laughable dumb character. The others get to look stronger (Sans Dabra, which is a shame)

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Post by Gonstead » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:00 am

Saiga wrote:
Raditz is a Saiyan. His Saiyan blood is all he needs.
And was defeated by a Namekain, his Brother who could never harm or kill and his 4 year old nephew Half-Saiyan who actually contributed the most damage barring Makankosappo.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Saiga » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:38 am

Gonstead wrote:
Saiga wrote:
Raditz is a Saiyan. His Saiyan blood is all he needs.
And was defeated by a Namekain, his Brother who could never harm or kill and his 4 year old nephew Half-Saiyan who actually contributed the most damage barring Makankosappo.
What's your point? He is a Saiyan, he has the potential to get Zenkais and turn Super Saiyan just with that. That is all he needs to become stronger.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:45 am

Gonstead wrote:And was defeated by a Namekain, his Brother who could never harm or kill and his 4 year old nephew Half-Saiyan who actually contributed the most damage barring Makankosappo.
Say what now? I'm pretty sure Goku is the one who harms the most people in the whole manga. Up to that point in the series, I seem to remember a certain spiky haired half-pint not really caring who he hurt or killed as long as they were doing wrong. He shattered Buyon, punches Yellow out of a flying plane, kicked a grenade back into Tao Pai Pai's face, caused Black to explode, vaporized Tambourine, smashed in Drum's skull and impaled Piccolo with his freaking body...and those are just the ones who are severely injured or worse. I refuse to count how many random soldiers/con artists/weaker martial artists/previous-rivals-who-are-now-friends/etc. he one-shots by punching them in the face.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Gonstead » Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:24 am

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
Gonstead wrote:And was defeated by a Namekain, his Brother who could never harm or kill and his 4 year old nephew Half-Saiyan who actually contributed the most damage barring Makankosappo.
Say what now? I'm pretty sure Goku is the one who harms the most people in the whole manga. Up to that point in the series, I seem to remember a certain spiky haired half-pint not really caring who he hurt or killed as long as they were doing wrong. He shattered Buyon, punches Yellow out of a flying plane, kicked a grenade back into Tao Pai Pai's face, caused Black to explode, vaporized Tambourine, smashed in Drum's skull and impaled Piccolo with his freaking body...and those are just the ones who are severely injured or worse. I refuse to count how many random soldiers/con artists/weaker martial artists/previous-rivals-who-are-now-friends/etc. he one-shots by punching them in the face.
I guess I should of worded my post a bit better.

I'm talking about intentionally or just for no reason at all. However, if he's pushed far enough then yes he would resort to such measures. He's not like the type who would kill on the spot, he always gives a person a second chance or to leave peacefully, no matter who they are. He always leaves killing as the last option available.

Post-Dragon Ball, the only villain that comes to mind that Goku has killed would be Kid Buu but that was with the help of the Spirit Bomb and not on his own.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by funrush » Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:35 am

Attitudefan wrote:Because that is the only way he could get strong, just like Yamcha. My point is, some characters seem to get the special treatment while others get nothing, barely even an honourable mention. Freeza gets owned by a bunch of weaklings while Cell and Bojack (of all people) get to go out on sprees of killing.... now I know there's a universe where Freeza is #1 but most of the time he shown to be a laughable dumb character. The others get to look stronger (Sans Dabra, which is a shame)

Fine, you hate Freeza, there's nothing I can do about that.
You know there will be a special for Freeza's universe soon. It's up on the site under the circle-thingy.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:31 am

Gonstead wrote:Post-Dragon Ball, the only villain that comes to mind that Goku has killed would be Kid Buu but that was with the help of the Spirit Bomb and not on his own.
He sure didn't lose any sleep over assisting Yakon in fulfilling his his suicidal desires... The list would be extended if you included DBGT or DBO too.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:40 am

Gonstead wrote:Post-Dragon Ball, the only villain that comes to mind that Goku has killed would be Kid Buu but that was with the help of the Spirit Bomb and not on his own.
He also killed Yakon. And... that's all. I guess his 3 years with Kami and Popo made him a peace lover, lol.
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:The list would be extended if you included DBGT or DBO too.
Who did he kill in DBO? And expend the list with all those movies too!
funrush wrote:You know there will be a special for Freeza's universe soon. It's up on the site under the circle-thingy.
Acording to this, there will also be some more U3, a U4, some U7, some U13, and a U20.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Gonstead » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:25 am

Gonstead wrote:Post-Dragon Ball, the only villain that comes to mind that Goku has killed would be Kid Buu but that was with the help of the Spirit Bomb and not on his own.
TheDevilsCorpse wrote: He sure didn't lose any sleep over assisting Yakon in fulfilling his his suicidal desires... The list would be extended if you included DBGT or DBO too.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:He also killed Yakon. And... that's all. I guess his 3 years with Kami and Popo made him a peace lover, lol.

But he did not actually directly kill him. It was Yakon's fault for being too greedy for his own good. Indirectly would make more sense.
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Post by Kingdom Heartless » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:25 am

You know, I have to hand it to the writers for not making Bardock out to be the antihero or angel of vengeance or whatever that a lot of people seem to see him as.

Because he wasn't... he was just another dick Saiyan. Sure, he had friends he cared about, but most psychopaths do. He wasn't quite as bad as Vegeta, but there was never anything about him that was heroic.

He's even been classified a Good Guy in games, while Android 16 wasn't... weird.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:59 pm

Gonstead wrote:But he did not actually directly kill him. It was Yakon's fault for being too greedy for his own good. Indirectly would make more sense.
Debatable. It was premeditated, so Goku would be convicted in court. lol True Yakon didn't stop sucking up the energy, but Goku could have ended his transformation while Yakon was still just too fat to move. Instead, he continued to feed him energy and even transformed into SS2 to make sure he overloaded him.
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Post by funrush » Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:12 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
funrush wrote:You know there will be a special for Freeza's universe soon. It's up on the site under the circle-thingy.
Acording to this, there will also be some more U3, a U4, some U7, some U13, and a U20.
And a question, what the HFIL is "DBM Anthology"?
Yeah, back when the circle thing came out a good dozen or two pages ago, I commented on that.

I did see this in that circle thing too:
DBMultiverse offical DBZ timeline
This is U18 with our changes, how we integrated the films, etc.
Story
-5 000 000: War against Majin Buu
-425: Hildegard's creation
-242: Previous Legendary Saiyan goes berserk.
507: Bojack's gang is stopped by the Kaiohs.
731: Birth of Raditz and Vegeta.
737: Birth of Gokû/Kakarotto and Broly. End of planet Vegeta. See Baddack rewrite, p. 426-441
749 to 767: see manga
767: see Broly rewrite, see film Bojack
767 to 774: see manga
774: see Broly 2nd rewrite
774 to 784: see manga

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Attitudefan » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:10 am

Kingdom Heartless wrote:You know, I have to hand it to the writers for not making Bardock out to be the antihero or angel of vengeance or whatever that a lot of people seem to see him as.

Because he wasn't... he was just another dick Saiyan. Sure, he had friends he cared about, but most psychopaths do. He wasn't quite as bad as Vegeta, but there was never anything about him that was heroic.

He's even been classified a Good Guy in games, while Android 16 wasn't... weird.
Bardock is overrated like many of the characters. Hansia or whatever her name is has now become overrated (in this comic at least)

Saiyans are dumb, they would never think to do this at all. Bardock is not smart and this is what bugs me about this side story. Everyone just goes with the flow, except it's not like that, especially with saiyans. I'm surprised he got them to do what he wanted them to do.
You know there will be a special for Freeza's universe soon. It's up on the site under the circle-thingy.
That doesn't matter, I'd much rather see the tournament. That's what this manga is about!
It's not about Freeza being weak, but all these other characters becoming way stronger than they deserve to be. Bardock for one should never have become so strong considering what happened to everybody else in the manga. It's just odd having characters getting what everybody demands and not being realistic about it. Raditz is only strong because he is something everyone wants to see strong as he is alive tag-teaming with his younger (stronger?) brother. It's not being realistic, though you could argue, "it's in another universe!" Well; Freeza (or even Cell) is in another universe so what's stopping them from being stronger than before?

Cold was never stronger, he just had a transformation that he did not use. So all in all, some got the shat for no good reason!
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Post by Saiga » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:45 am

Attitudefan wrote: Bardock is overrated like many of the characters. Hansia or whatever her name is has now become overrated (in this comic at least)

Saiyans are dumb, they would never think to do this at all. Bardock is not smart and this is what bugs me about this side story. Everyone just goes with the flow, except it's not like that, especially with saiyans. I'm surprised he got them to do what he wanted them to do.
Nothing really says they wouldn't be smart enough to do that, especially when Bardock is aided by his visions and knows they need to do more than attack Freeza as they are. Besides, overwhelming him as Oozaru's isn't the hardest plan to come up with.
Attitudefan wrote: That doesn't matter, I'd much rather see the tournament. That's what this manga is about!
It's not about Freeza being weak, but all these other characters becoming way stronger than they deserve to be. Bardock for one should never have become so strong considering what happened to everybody else in the manga. It's just odd having characters getting what everybody demands and not being realistic about it. Raditz is only strong because he is something everyone wants to see strong as he is alive tag-teaming with his younger (stronger?) brother. It's not being realistic, though you could argue, "it's in another universe!" Well; Freeza (or even Cell) is in another universe so what's stopping them from being stronger than before?

Cold was never stronger, he just had a transformation that he did not use. So all in all, some got the shat for no good reason!
What's wrong with Bardock and Raditz being stronger? It's not far-fetched at all - the Saiyan ability to power up after recovering from a vicious beating is so easily exploitable.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Attitudefan » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:59 am

What's wrong with Bardock and Raditz being stronger? It's not far-fetched at all - the Saiyan ability to power up after recovering from a vicious beating is so easily exploitable.
Very true! But I guess I want to pin this to other characters where it is more far-fetched (ie VIDEL!) But nothing is stopping anybody from being stronger, and I find where Saligir puts his focus is not what I have in mind but that's me.
Nothing really says they wouldn't be smart enough to do that, especially when Bardock is aided by his visions and knows they need to do more than attack Freeza as they are. Besides, overwhelming him as Oozaru's isn't the hardest plan to come up with.
To be honest, who would believe him. If it fails, then he'd look very bad. My problem is that he was able to just do things without consequence whatsoever in this side story it's ridiculous!
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Saiga » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:04 am

Attitudefan wrote:
Very true! But I guess I want to pin this to other characters where it is more far-fetched (ie VIDEL!) But nothing is stopping anybody from being stronger, and I find where Saligir puts his focus is not what I have in mind but that's me.
Yeah, I liked the idea of a super strong Videl but I have to agree that is completely ridiculous :lol:
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To be honest, who would believe him. If it fails, then he'd look very bad. My problem is that he was able to just do things without consequence whatsoever in this side story it's ridiculous!
Also true, I guess it had to happen for the convenience of the plot.
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Post by Attitudefan » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:17 am

Saiga wrote:Also true, I guess it had to happen for the convenience of the plot.
Which makes this a weak story. I am just begging to get back to the main story. This Multiverse comic has been twisted into something it should not be! It has lots of potential but it's not living up to what it could be! If anything, this irks me the most! :lol:
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Post by Kingdom Heartless » Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:19 am

Attitudefan wrote:
Saiga wrote:Also true, I guess it had to happen for the convenience of the plot.
Which makes this a weak story. I am just begging to get back to the main story. This Multiverse comic has been twisted into something it should not be! It has lots of potential but it's not living up to what it could be! If anything, this irks me the most! :lol:
Doesn't pretty much everything in Dragon Ball happen for the convenience of the plot?
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