The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Gohan still. Though it'll be difficult.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Had Vegeta not intervened....
Giny-Goku & Jeice Vs. Gohan & Krillin.
Giny-Goku & Jeice Vs. Gohan & Krillin.
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Gohan and Kuririn could have beaten Goku-Ginyu with their combined efforts, but Jheese would have easily outclassed either of them and decisively turned the tables.
Goku-Ginyu: 23,000
Gohan & Kuririn: ~30,000
Jheese: ~40,000
Goku-Ginyu: 23,000
Gohan & Kuririn: ~30,000
Jheese: ~40,000
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If Jeice killed Krillin or something, Gohan would have snapped and killed both of them.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
SSJ Grade 3 Kakarotto vs Movie 8 Broly
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Goku can't touch Broly, Broly wins.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Broly wins in terms of speed AND power. I'm pretty sure this one has been done to death but here:
SSJ3 Vegetto vs Ultimate Gokhan. I personally have the 2 here:
SSJ3 Vegetto: 32,000,000,000,000
Ultimate Gokhan: 16,000,000,000,000
SSJ3 Vegetto vs Ultimate Gokhan. I personally have the 2 here:
SSJ3 Vegetto: 32,000,000,000,000
Ultimate Gokhan: 16,000,000,000,000
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Vegetto wins as Goku and Vegeta are more compatible then Goku and Gohan. It's also why Kaioshin and Kibito even after using the potara weren't that powerful. I also have Gohan and Ultmate Gohan as the same thing so their would be a massive difference in their powers.
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This isn't even CLOSE to a fair fight. Whatever advantages granted by Goku and Vegeta being closer are negated by "Ultimate" being SO much stronger than SS3. Gokhan pinches Vegetto's head off, then atomizes his corpse.
Let's low end the "Ultimate" form here (which I do by changing Gotenks' multipliers around)
SS3- x400
Ultimate- x1,000
And then run it through my Potara formula.
Base Saiyans:
Gohan- 100,000,000
Goku- 80,000,000
Vegeta- 80,000,000
(80,000,000 + 80,000,000) x 100 = 16,000,000,000.
16,000,000,000 x 400 = 6,400,000,000,000
SS3 Vegetto- 6.4 trillion
(100,000,000 + 80,000,000) x 80 = 14,400,000,000
14,400,000,000 x 1,000-3,000 = 14,400,000,000,000
Ultimate Gokhan = 14.4 trillion
Let's low end the "Ultimate" form here (which I do by changing Gotenks' multipliers around)
SS3- x400
Ultimate- x1,000
And then run it through my Potara formula.
Base Saiyans:
Gohan- 100,000,000
Goku- 80,000,000
Vegeta- 80,000,000
(80,000,000 + 80,000,000) x 100 = 16,000,000,000.
16,000,000,000 x 400 = 6,400,000,000,000
SS3 Vegetto- 6.4 trillion
(100,000,000 + 80,000,000) x 80 = 14,400,000,000
14,400,000,000 x 1,000-3,000 = 14,400,000,000,000
Ultimate Gokhan = 14.4 trillion
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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The potara is supposed to be like multiplication.... at least for Vegetto it is.
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"Like multiplication" isn't exactly a specific statement or anything. And how is a number being multiplied by another number not... multiplying a number?
Anyway, again, Gohan is possibly (perhaps plausibly) thousands of times stronger than Vegeta. That compatibility boost isn't going to do shit to save Vegetto here.
Anyway, again, Gohan is possibly (perhaps plausibly) thousands of times stronger than Vegeta. That compatibility boost isn't going to do shit to save Vegetto here.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Well for me it is. Their rivalry gives the traditional multiplier a 10 times boost. I also think Ultimate is 2,000 times base.
Vegetto: 80,000,000 x 1,000 = 80,000,000,000 x 400 = 32,000,000,000,000
Gokhan: 90,000,000 x 88.888888 = 8,000,000,000 x 2,000 = 16,000,000,000,000
Vegetto: 80,000,000 x 1,000 = 80,000,000,000 x 400 = 32,000,000,000,000
Gokhan: 90,000,000 x 88.888888 = 8,000,000,000 x 2,000 = 16,000,000,000,000
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Goku's Super forms and Gohan's Mystic cancel out. Vegetto stomps.
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That doesn't even make any sense. Gohan still has a base form and his Super Saiyan forms, they're just useless. And they don't cancel anything out. He can fuse with Goku in base and then Gokan can go Ultimate and bend Vegetto over a table.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Gokhan can't go Ultimate, it's not a 'form'. He'd have to go get his potential unlocked.
Not that it would matter, Vegetto is always the strongest by his effect.
Not that it would matter, Vegetto is always the strongest by his effect.
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...yeah, it is. It's a physical change separate from the Super Saiyan forms that Gohan can power up into. There'd be no reason Gokhan couldn't do the same.
No such effect exists.
No such effect exists.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Broli is stronger, faster, more durable, and has more stamina than Goku. Goku gets destroyed.MDSTSSJ wrote:SSJ Grade 3 Kakarotto vs Movie 8 Broly
Vegetto gets stomped. But if Gokhan was a SS3, he would lose.TheMightyOzaru wrote:SSJ3 Vegetto vs Ultimate Gokhan.
What do you mean?Rocketman wrote:Goku's Super forms and Gohan's Mystic cancel out. Vegetto stomps.
He should already have most of his dormant power drawn out (Gohan's is already all out far beyond its limits, and Gohan's DP > Goku's DP).Rocketman wrote:Gokhan can't go Ultimate, it's not a 'form'. He'd have to go get his potential unlocked.
What effect?Rocketman wrote:Not that it would matter, Vegetto is always the strongest by his effect.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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↑ No, it's what YOU think.
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I just think more along the lines of this when I think Gokhan
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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