Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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by Beerus-sama » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:00 am
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Can I ask one more favor? Will you find a picture of Yamamuro's Merged Zamasu?
I think I haven't seen it. Any specifics for the pose or something I can know its the picture?
Edit: I guess I found it? you posted it as a reference for a comparison in art style between Mai and Merged Zamasu
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by Jinzoningen MULE » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:11 am
From the look of that, I was wrong. I have a hard time identifying Toriyama's newer style, but that Goku Black hair definitely doesn't match Yamamuro. Also, it looks like DevilsCorpse just confirmed it on twitter, ain't that somethin?
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by Bansho64 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:17 am
Wait, he didn't include Rosé? I.....actually don't care. A lot of what the form was in the anime didn't make a lot of sense and, after getting over what little hype I had, I'm not that big of a fan of it anymore. I'm definitely glad Toyotaro introduced a more menacing Black with his Majin Vegeta-ish eyes and SSJ2 sparks.
Honestly, I'm glad Toyotaro's going a different direction with this. I'm not all that hung up about all this stuff from the anime not being included because I didn't care much about a lot of it in the first place. And, from what I'm seeing, I'm impressed with what he's done.
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by Jinzoningen MULE » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:19 am
Bansho64 wrote:Wait, he didn't include Rosé? I.....actually don't care. A lot of what the form was in the anime didn't make a lot of sense and, after getting over what little hype I had, I'm not that big of a fan of it anymore. I'm definitely glad Toyotaro introduced a more menacing Black with his Majin Vegeta-ish eyes and SSJ2 sparks.
Honestly, I'm glad Toyotaro's going a different direction with this. I'm not all that hung up about all this stuff from the anime not being included because I didn't care much about a lot of it in the first place. And, from what I'm seeing, I'm impressed with what he's done.
Same, I really don't care what's Toriyama and what isn't. What annoys me is when people judge the manga by the anime's standards, which is inherently unfair.
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by TheDevilsCorpse » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:20 am
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:From the look of that, I was wrong. I have a hard time identifying Toriyama's newer style, but that Goku Black hair definitely doesn't match Yamamuro. Also, it looks like DevilsCorpse just confirmed it on twitter, ain't that somethin?
I had seen the Toriyama version prior to this, but only once. So I've only been remembering that we had Yamamuro's pointy version on the left.

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by Chuquita » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:21 am
I forgot Toriyama designed Rosé!?
Clearly I've gone too long without sleep and should probably fix that soon.
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by Freeza9000 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:28 am
Bansho64 wrote:Wait, he didn't include Rosé? I.....actually don't care. A lot of what the form was in the anime didn't make a lot of sense and, after getting over what little hype I had, I'm not that big of a fan of it anymore. I'm definitely glad Toyotaro introduced a more menacing Black with his Majin Vegeta-ish eyes and SSJ2 sparks
Yeah, Black in the manga sure is menacing alright despite getting his ass whooped pathetically by SSJB Vegeta only for daddy Zamasu to save him from Vegeta's blast and heal him. Plus, I think Super Saiyan Rose fits Goku Black more than blue, gold, or red. It adds a lot of charm to Black's character imo.
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by Bansho64 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:33 am
Freeza9000 wrote:
Yeah, Black in the manga sure is menacing alright despite getting his ass whooped pathetically by SSJB Vegeta only for daddy Zamasu to save him from Vegeta's blast and heal him. Plus, I think Super Saiyan Rose fits Goku Black more than blue, gold, or red. It adds a lot of charm to Black's character imo.
None of those events change my opinion in that he still looks menacing and borderline creepy.
As for Super Saiyan Rosé, it does nothing for me nowadays. The golden original has always been my favorite, so this is a welcome change for me. Though, I'm not seeing how the color pink adds charm to the actual character. Different strokes for different folks, I guess?
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by Ikazvyr » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:42 am
I need to read this chapter to understand it fully, but... Well, was not expecting Rosé to be nothing in the manga. It could appear in the next chapter, but I doubt and this end implies Merged Zamasu will happen next
To be honest, gold hair also adds charm to the character. It goes pretty well with his black gi. Majin Vegeta's eyes also does a contrast in his personality. Would love to see this transformation in color!
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by Ki Breaker » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:44 am
I suppose him giving black rosé would require to shade it and that could look similar to blue or red so he skipped it..
Maybe..
Manga is much better handled, it's clear Toyotaro does everything to make it interesting in the ridiculous fast Pacing he needs to go with..
Rosé is nice, SS black is awesome, Would have much rather had SS ( SS2? ) black than rosé, rosé made him unique so it ain't all that bad..
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by Freeza9000 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:45 am
Bansho64 wrote:Freeza9000 wrote:
Yeah, Black in the manga sure is menacing alright despite getting his ass whooped pathetically by SSJB Vegeta only for daddy Zamasu to save him from Vegeta's blast and heal him. Plus, I think Super Saiyan Rose fits Goku Black more than blue, gold, or red. It adds a lot of charm to Black's character imo.
None of those events change my opinion in that he still looks menacing and borderline creepy.
As for Super Saiyan Rosé, it does nothing for me nowadays. The golden original has always been my favorite, so this is a welcome change for me. Though, I'm not seeing how the color pink adds charm to the actual character. Different strokes for different folks, I guess?
Different opinions, but I do think Rosé adds some charm to his character. You know, his pretentiousness, elegance, his love for beauty, etc. As a matter of fact, I think it suits him more than other colors I have mentioned. I feel that Rose makes Goku Black all the more unique and now that Black has that SSJ2 form in the manga (not to mention, Vegeta beating the crap out of him and Toyotaro making Black seem like fodder), he does not have the same charm as he does in the anime.
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by Miracles » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:46 am
Ahahahahahahahaha
I'm enjoying both the anime and manga.
Regardless what they both throw out.
Thank you Toriyama.
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by Ikazvyr » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:56 am
Ki Breaker wrote:Manga is much better handled, it's clear Toyotaro does everything to make it interesting in the ridiculous fast Pacing he needs to go with..
The worst part of this manga is that's only promotional material. Toyotaro is so talented to this manga be so rushed. He's doing what he can do, at least, and I'm not disappointed. If I would blame someone, I would blame Toei
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by Beerus-sama » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:57 am
Bansho64 wrote:Freeza9000 wrote:
Yeah, Black in the manga sure is menacing alright despite getting his ass whooped pathetically by SSJB Vegeta only for daddy Zamasu to save him from Vegeta's blast and heal him. Plus, I think Super Saiyan Rose fits Goku Black more than blue, gold, or red. It adds a lot of charm to Black's character imo.
None of those events change my opinion in that he still looks menacing and borderline creepy.
As for Super Saiyan Rosé, it does nothing for me nowadays. The golden original has always been my favorite, so this is a welcome change for me. Though, I'm not seeing how the color pink adds charm to the actual character. Different strokes for different folks, I guess?
It showed his narcissist side and that did added to his charm.
Also, how can you not like it when he loves it
Freeza9000 wrote:
Different opinions, but I do think Rosé adds some charm to his character. You know, his pretentiousness, elegance, his love for beauty, etc. As a matter of fact, I think it suits him more than other colors I have mentioned. I feel that Rose makes Goku Black all the more unique and now that Black has that SSJ2 form in the manga (not to mention, Vegeta beating the crap out of him and Toyotaro making Black seem like fodder), he does not have the same charm as he does in the anime.
He's not happy about being beated, thats not Black
although I do like some of the drawings, not all though, I totally dislike him being beated so bad by Vegeta while he can't defend himself 
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by alakazam^ » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:02 am
OLKv3 wrote:Wait a minute. Zamasu saw the Universe 6 tournament right? So why is he shocked by SSB? In the anime he was smug when Vegeta transformed and Trunks noticed it. He should know SSJ2 isn't enough since he already saw Goku go both SSG and SSB. Goku going God mode is what made him interested in his power to begin with
He wasn't shocked by it. Vegeeta told him to transform and he said he still wasn't able to.
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by TheDevilsCorpse » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:41 am
Which means that if Black does eventually use Rosé in the manga, we'll presumably see someone's first transformation into SSGSS (at least the equivalent, anyway) if he doesn't Time Ring away, achieve it, then come back or something. Maybe we could end up with something new about how the thing is done, finally.
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by Jinzoningen MULE » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:50 am
If only. The cynic in us knows that it'll never happen. But Toyotaro seems to be in-touch with the fandom, so maybe.
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by Fionordequester » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:03 am
I don't have V-Jump, and I'm not planning on doing a thorough google search for whatever leaks there might be; so I only know of this Chapter through what I saw on Twitter. So if my initial impressions are right...it seems like Vegeta basically just kicks Black's butt in this Chapter. No SSJ Rose, no energy swords, no struggle...Black just gets his rear end stomped into the ground before being rescued by Zamasu. Is that about right?
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by Jinzoningen MULE » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:13 am
Fionordequester wrote:I don't have V-Jump, and I'm not planning on doing a thorough google search for whatever leaks there might be; so I only know of this Chapter through what I saw on Twitter. So if my initial impressions are right...it seems like Vegeta basically just kicks Black's butt in this Chapter. No SSJ Rose, no energy swords, no struggle...Black just gets his rear end stomped into the ground before being rescued by Zamasu. Is that about right?
I don't think anyone here has full access yet. It also seems to cover Beerus destroying Zamasu.
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by Will » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:34 am
He can still get Rosé in the next chapter after seeing Vegeta Blue.