The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:58 pm

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TheMightyOzaru wrote:I'd assume he got stronger, I mean what else does have to do?
Well Goku's gains got small so the same could be said for Piccolo.
I don't even think Goku's gains got small. He's just incapable of explosive growth, as far as I'm concerned. This is also Piccolo we're talking about here. He somehow got as strong as Kaio Sama just by training in the mountains with Gohan for a year.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:12 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:I don't even think Goku's gains got small. He's just incapable of explosive growth, as far as I'm concerned. This is also Piccolo we're talking about here. He somehow got as strong as Kaio Sama just by training in the mountains with Gohan for a year.
He's not really noteworthy in the Boo saga so perhaps he wasn't much different than how he was at the Cell games.
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Post by ZombieVito » Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:35 pm

Trunks one shots him sadly:

SSJ Trunks: 6,300,000,000

Piccolo: 3,500,000,000
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:46 pm

Zombie wrote:Trunks one shots him sadly:

SSJ Trunks: 6,300,000,000

Piccolo: 3,500,000,000
Sheesh. I have the 2 here:
SSJ Trunks: 2,400,000,000
Piccolo: 2,400,000,000
EDIT: Yeah, I think 1,800,000,000 would probably be better for Piccolo. It would make sense with how strong he got between the Cell and Buu arcs.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:53 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
Zombie wrote:Trunks one shots him sadly:

SSJ Trunks: 6,300,000,000

Piccolo: 3,500,000,000
Sheesh. I have the 2 here:
SSJ Trunks: 2,350,000,000
Piccolo: 2,400,000,000
Remember that I don't go by that 120 million for Freeza, which gives me more room for the gaps for the base Saiyans.

I also don't think the kids got weaker or remained the same after Buu. They got stronger, just not incredible strong like Goku and Vegeta wanted.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:49 pm

I believe that Piccolo realized his limits after the first trip to RoSaT, which is why he didn't enter for a 2nd time. Add the fact that the Super Saiyans surpassed him after they mastered the form, and add Super Saiyan 2, Super Saiyan 3, Fusion, etc on top of that, he lost motivation as well. So, I don't believe that Piccolo made any significant improvements after the Cell Games. He still trains, but not as hard as in the past.
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Post by ZombieVito » Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:40 pm

Guess it's the fanboy in me but I do believe he did got stronger but sadly got left in the dust by the Super Saiyans, specially Super Saiyans 2.
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Post by MDSTSSJ » Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:21 pm

" At times when there are no battles, or on days off, what sorts of things do the warriors do?
Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo train "

Piccolo is a Namekian warrior and it is conceivable that in those 10 years has become considerably stronger.

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Post by Saiga » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:53 am

I don't think Piccolo would have become a great deal stronger since he didn't seem to improve much from the Cell arc to the Boo arc. And so even if Trunks hasn't improved at all, he takes this.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:54 am

Saiga wrote:I don't think Piccolo would have become a great deal stronger since he didn't seem to improve much from the Cell arc to the Boo arc. And so even if Trunks hasn't improved at all, he takes this.
He is quite vague, I assume you mean Trunks though.
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Post by Saiga » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:44 am

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
Saiga wrote:I don't think Piccolo would have become a great deal stronger since he didn't seem to improve much from the Cell arc to the Boo arc. And so even if Trunks hasn't improved at all, he takes this.
He is quite vague, I assume you mean Trunks though.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:40 am

SSJ3 Future Gohan VS Perfect Cell

Mystic Future Gohan VS Fat Buu.
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Post by Cursed Lemon » Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:58 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:SSJ3 Future Gohan VS Perfect Cell
Hmmmmm! :P
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:06 pm

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KentalSSJ6 wrote:SSJ3 Future Gohan VS Perfect Cell
Hmmmmm! :P
I know what your getting at.

Personally I have SSJ3 Gohan at Perfect Cell level and Mystic Future Gohan at Fat Buu tops.

Then again hed lose both if hes only got one arm.
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Post by goku the krump dancer » Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:25 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:SSJ3 Future Gohan VS Perfect Cell

Mystic Future Gohan VS Fat Buu.

1. Gohan wins but not by much.

2. Gohan destroys Fat Boo... remember even though personality wise this Gohan is different, he still has the same potential/hidden power as present time/regular Gohan. So Future Ultimate Gohan and regular Future Gohan are equals, they murderstomp Fat Boo and of course Super Boo, but get Over whelmed by GotenksBoo.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:42 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:SSJ3 Future Gohan VS Perfect Cell

Mystic Future Gohan VS Fat Buu.
Gohan loses to Cell (if he is as strong as he was in the TV Special), but destroys effortlessly Boo.
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KentalSSJ6 wrote:SSJ3 Future Gohan VS Perfect Cell
Hmmmmm! :P
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:48 pm

We know that Mystic Gohan is way more powerful that his Future counterpart simply because he got the training for the Androids and Cell. That is the only reason he surpasses his future self. I personally believe Future Gohan has WAY more potential hidden away simply because of the fact this Gohan is a warrior through and through who has been fighting for nearly his entire life. The potential he has hidden away makes the potential present Gohan had pale in comparison in my opinion, so I can see him destroying Fat Buu and maybe equal Super Buu, but I think thats being generous.
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Post by Cursed Lemon » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:02 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Super Saiyan 3 Future Gohan is an official what-if form from Dragon Ball Heroes.
Never knew that.

But...surely a SSJ3 would absolutely demolish Cell regardless of how lazy adult Gohan is.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:54 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:SSJ3 Future Gohan VS Perfect Cell

Mystic Future Gohan VS Fat Buu.
Gohan loses in both.
Perfect Cell: 4,500,000,000
SSJ3 Mirai Gohan: 1,360,000,000
Fat Buu: 14,000,000,000-28,000,000,000
Ultimate Mirai Gohan: 6,800,000,000
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Post by rereboy » Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:11 pm

Taking into consideration that Future Gohan's potential should be around the same as present Gohan, and that Elder Kaioshin's ritual unlocks said potential beyond its limits, I see no reason for Future Ultimate Mystic Gohan to be significantly different from present Gohan in terms of power. So he would destroy Fat Buu.

As for SSJ3, even if Future Gohan is much weaker than Cell games Gohan in his base, since Cell games Gohan proved to be stronger than Cell with his SSJ2, I think that Future Trunks' SSJ3 would be more than enough to fill that gap. So Future Gohan would win but he might have some trouble to finish Cell if Cell was in his SSJ2-like form.
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