The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:37 pm

Vegeta (BoG) vs Kid Buu

Kid Boo still wrecks him

BOG Goku vs Super Janemba

Goku still loses.

Nappa vs Bur

Bur wins

Zap Zap vs Krillin and Gohan(Namek Arc but power hidden powers unlocked)

Either of them should beat Zap Zap.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:38 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:I was curious, which Pre-Namek movie villain had the strongest henchmen?

Garlic?

Tullece?

Lord Slug?
Slug and Turles

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:38 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:I was curious, which Pre-Namek movie villain had the strongest henchmen?

Garlic?

Tullece?

Lord Slug?
Slug. It's not even close really. The weakest of Slug's henchmen are arguably stronger than fruited up Turles himself.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:39 pm

Opps I made a mistake.
TheGmGoken wrote: Kishime vs Krillin and Gohan(Namek Arc but no power hidden powers unlocked)
Fixed it. I meant to say without NO hidden power

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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:39 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Opps I made a mistake.
TheGmGoken wrote: Kishime vs Krillin and Gohan(Namek Arc but no power hidden powers unlocked)
Fixed it. I meant to say without NO hidden power
I think Zap Zap can beat them both.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:42 pm

Take this with a pinch of salt but I remember hearing Tullece rivaled first form Freeza after eating fruit from The Tree of Might.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:16 pm

Slug has the stronger henchmen.
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Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:32 am

Yeah, what everyone else said.

At the very least, Tullece is well above 300,000 after eating the fruit, so I doubt any of Slug's henchmen would be able to touch him.
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Post by Kaboom » Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:45 am

I figure Slug's power starting out in the several hundreds of thousands range, which is roughly where Tullece capped out. His henchmen would all be considerably weaker than that, though.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:57 am

Due to the unlikelihood that it would take place anywhere else for various reasons (see my "How strong is Lord Slug?" thread), I have Movie 4 taking place AFTER Goku's zenkai. It's pretty much impossible to have it any way else. So that was Nailccolo that Slug's henchmen took down. I think any of them could spank Turles, using only half power.

Even if you do somehow have it some way else, Piccolo should still be very powerful on part of this at the very least being after Kaio's training, so Slug's henchmen would at least be in the same realm as fruited up Turles.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by MDSTSSJ » Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:59 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:
KentalSSJ6 wrote:I was curious, which Pre-Namek movie villain had the strongest henchmen?

Garlic?

Tullece?

Lord Slug?
Slug. It's not even close really. The weakest of Slug's henchmen are arguably stronger than fruited up Tullece himself.
What? Tullece ate 2 fruits and the first was one bite.

Goku used a Kaio-Ken x10 in the movie, which would put him at somewhat higher than 300,000. But Tullece with the first fruit still bitchslapped him down off of just one piece of fruit, so something close to Freeza's 530,000 would probably be the minimum power at which Tullece could do that. I have 2nd fruit Tullece around or higher than second form Freeza. The massive increase Tullece got from just one piece of fruit (from being in the 30k range to eclipsing a 300k battle power), suggests as much.

Tullece wrecks all of Slug's henchmen!
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:02 am

I have 1st fruit Turles at 450 thousand and 2nd fruit Turles at 800 thousand. All of Slug's henchmen are 1,000,000+.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:12 am

So, you have his henchmen stronger than Cooler's Armored squadron? Those guys at least had a good showing against Goku. Slug's two henchmen had a pathetic showing, with one swallowing his own Chi-blast.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:15 am

No, I think the Squadron is stronger than that. Each around 2-2.5 million, considering I think that Gohan wasn't enraged one of the times he attacked Freeza on Namek, simply because he didn't seem enraged. Also because Cooler's men made Goku grunt a little bit when deflecting their blasts or breaking out of their holds.

Like I said, I think Goku was around 3 million in Movie 4, so some guys in between 1 and 2 million being slaughtered by him is to be expected.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:25 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:No, I think the Squadron is stronger than that. Each around 2-2.5 million, considering I think that Gohan wasn't enraged one of the times he attacked Freeza on Namek, simply because he didn't seem enraged. Also because Cooler's men made Goku grunt a little bit when deflecting their blasts or breaking out of their holds.

Like I said, I think Goku was around 3 million in Movie 4, so some guys in between 1 and 2 million being slaughtered by him is to be expected.
Didnt the squad have official power levels released? I remember seeing a scan showing them.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:27 am

I don't buy them, as they're from a magazine (the same one that said Cooler was 470 million), not something more official like the Daizenshuu, and don't make any sense. For example, they say Salza is weaker than Gohan.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta (Tenkaichi Budokai)

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:31 am

Cell
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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Post by goku the krump dancer » Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:18 am

Super Vegetto wrote:Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta (Tenkaichi Budokai)
Veggie..

He was confident that he could beat a Perfect Cell level character (Dabra) with minimal effort with SSJ1.

So if Perfect Cell doubles his strength with an SSJ2-ish power up and Vegeta does the same then the victory still goes to the prince.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:06 am

Dabura isn't as strong as perfect Cell.
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