Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[JulieYBM]

Toriyama's probably working under the same logic of "gotta keep everyone young enough so they still look like they did in the Majin Buu arc!"

I don't know what's stopping him from just having Blooma and Chi-Chi wish to be young again after the twenty-eighth Tenka'ichi Budoukai arc.

[Dyno]

Without more context I can't tell if you're agreeing or dismissing Battle of Gods being in Age 778. I'm assuming by "based on an event" you mean either Pan's birth or Beerus waking up after 39 years. But for what it's worth, that date (Age 778) is also recorded in the Chozenshuu.

Sorry, I was dismissing. But if that information appeared in the Chozenshuu then nothing I can do about it, and I didn't know about it too.
Well, Chozenshuu also said Bardock indeed went back in time, so... I think it is still up to me consider that information, isn't?

Like I said, as Chuquita said Freeza was in Hell for seventeen years, I thought the movie could then only happen in 779. But I remembered now Freeza died in 764, because that's where he appeared on Earth. Still 764 + 17 = 781. Matched, but Bulma's statement continues to conflict here.

[singsing]

Toriyama's probably working under the same logic of "gotta keep everyone young enough so they still look like they did in the Majin Buu arc!"

I don't know what's stopping him from just having Blooma and Chi-Chi wish to be young again after the twenty-eighth Tenka'ichi Budoukai arc.

Heck, just make everyone young again. Dragon Ball round two! Bring on Piccolo Daimao!

[Rozay]

The worst isn't Freeza surpassing Buu in four months with what, by the information we have right now, seems like just regular training. The worst is that he probably reached God Ki in that ammount of time, something that Goku needed other 5 saiyans to do, and something that COMPLETELY OWNS Buu's level, not just surpasses it, and as it seems, he faces Goku AND Vegeta, who for all we know was also training with Beerus and Whis. As some said, why wouldn't he train like a year if that's the case, just to make sure he could even own Whis and be the most powerful being ever? I know DBZ is no stranger to plotholes, but jeez.

[sintzu]

As some said, why wouldn't he train like a year if that's the case, just to make sure he could even own Whis and be the most powerful being ever? I know DBZ is no stranger to plotholes, but jeez.

He probably doesn't know Whis is strong or might not know him at all.

And keep in mind he can't sense him or Beerus' power so for all we know he might think he's stronger then both of them.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

As some said, why wouldn't he train like a year if that's the case, just to make sure he could even own Whis and be the most powerful being ever? I know DBZ is no stranger to plotholes, but jeez.

He probably doesn't know Whis is strong or might not know him at all.

Yup, this is most likely, also Beerus and Whis could be far beyond Freeza's capabilities so no matter how long he trains for it doesn't matter. Also,how is Freeza not training for a year a plot hole?

plot hole, or plothole is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that creates a paradox in the story that cannot be reconciled with any explanation. These include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.

Freeza training for only four months instead of 1 year + does not check any of those requirements for a plot hole.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Come to think of it, Freeza when we last saw him wouldn't be able to sense anyone's power. There wasn't any indication that he'd learned that trick when he came to Earth (though I wouldn't be surprised if his new tech had a built-in Scouter of sorts), but I wonder if that'll be yet another of the new tricks up his sleeve.

[Doctor.]

I'm wondering what kind of change Freeza went through while in Hell. He already gained an inferiority complex towards Goku, no, rather, towards the Super Saiyan, when Goku helped him after being sliced in half. And being that Freeza is gonna train for the first time ever, the changes are already showing.

[Dyno]

Maybe the new form allows him to sense other Ki's. Though I would pay to see Freeza using the dual-eyed Scouter.

[sailorspazz]

I'm honestly surprised we haven't time skipped as far as I thought we would, given the sleep for three years thing. Thought we'd get toddler Pan, not baby Pan.

Based on the summary we've seen so far, it's hard to tell when the bulk of the movie might take place. The summary mentions Freeza being revived in pieces, gathered up by Sorbet and Tagoma, and put in the regeneration tank. It then mentions him awakening after that, but doesn't specify how long that takes. So it's possible that several months passed since Freeza's was brought back to life, and the baby Pan shown at the beginning has grown up a bit (plus adding in the four months of training Freeza plans to do, the movie could take place a year or more after the opening bit we've seen).

I really want to see this whole thing as soon as possible so I can read for myself, rather than relying on unreliable summaries (Baba? Really? Was so confused by that bit, until it was pointed out it was probably supposed to be Papa)

[sintzu]

Maybe the new form allows him to sense other Ki's.

Did anyone ever say it was an actual form ?

[SaiyanZ]

Speaking about the time period of BoG, Goku is 41 at that time right (well, 41 but his body is that of a 33 year old since bodies don't age in the afterlife; not counting the whole Saiyans retain their youth longer line from Vegeta)? Cuz I was thinking about this and Beerus didn't know Freeza blew up Planet Vegeta until Whis told him he did it while he was eating in the movie at the start. That means that if he slept for 39 years, he did it 2 years after Goku was sent from Planet Vegeta if he's 41 in the movie.

[Dyno]

Maybe the new form allows him to sense other Ki's.

Did anyone ever say it was an actual form ?

Freeza himself with "Allow me to show you my further evolution!", or something like that.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

Wait, everyone's getting worked up over the fact that Freeza says he'll be able to defeat Goku after four months of training? We haven't actually seen him do this yet, though. We don't know what kind of training he's gonna do or if it even works in the first place. He might finish his training, then hunt out Goku and his pals, only to get his ass beat again, to which some sort of twist happens..maybe him and Sorbet find something that boosts his power? Beerus and Whis are yet to be tied into the story, maybe they're involved in boosting Freeza's power for whatever reason? What I'm getting at is, we don't have full context for this yet, wait until the next couple of chapters are out, then bust out the pitchforks.

By the way, Freeza being revived in pieces is kinda creepy.

[Doctor.]

Speaking about the time period of BoG, Goku is 41 at that time right (well, 41 but his body is that of a 33 year old since bodies don't age in the afterlife; not counting the whole Saiyans retain their youth longer line from Vegeta)? Cuz I was thinking about this and Beerus didn't know Freeza blew up Planet Vegeta until Whis told him he did it while he was eating in the movie at the start. That means that if he slept for 39 years, he did it 2 years after Goku was sent from Planet Vegeta if he's 41 in the movie.

Goku was sent to Earth when he was 3. Planet Vegeta was destroyed one month later.

[sintzu]

Wait, everyone's getting worked up over the fact that Freeza says he'll be able to defeat Goku after four months of training? We haven't actually seen him do this yet, though.

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Vegeta will probably step in after this and take him down.

[Darkprince410]

Maybe the new form allows him to sense other Ki's.

Did anyone ever say it was an actual form ?

Freeza himself with "Allow me to show you my further evolution!", or something like that.

That tends to imply something other than a transformation though, especially since it was changed from "transformation" to "evolution" in the newer versions of that dialogue. It was originally released as "Allow me to show you my further transformation", but then more recent releases of that line changed it to evolution, which implies that it's just further advancement of his existing form rather than busting out a brand new transformation. Why would the dialogue be changed otherwise?

[jjgp1112]

I think it's almost as though the years of there being no new Dragonball plot-lines has lulled the fanbase into feeling as if everything that has gone on before is unshakeable lore that's set in stone.

I've found that any new material that doesn't jive with the ten-plus years of rigorous headcanon is a "stretch", "inconsistency", or "plothole" to a lot of people.

Hit the nail on the head. Because the main Dragon Ball story is set in stone, anything that defies it in anyway is seen as an absurd plothole. Nevermind that the Dragon Ball story, especially in the Z portion, was an exercise of "Can you top this?" where the story regularly redefined itself and saw previously amazing feats tossed asides. This is the same show where a Doctor on Earth is able to make robots stronger than Frieza! And at the last second, we find out about a room with different time properties. Or Goku's power level multiplying after training in the Afterlife for 6 months, and then completely topping that in 6 days.

The fanbase has developed a false sense of security regarding DB's internal logic, even though it regularly shifts as the story demands.

[Low Tone G]

By the way, Freeza being revived in pieces is kinda creepy.

Yeah.... there's a big problem. Sorbet and Tagoma resurrected only his body. So the best case would be that they manage to rebuild Freeza's organism, but that body is not Freeza, because the soul is what would make him to be him via personal memories. That body can have memories but only after his brain starts to work. But that brain can not contain Freeza's memories!

UNLESS.... Sorbet has all the memories of Freeza uploaded in a computer and during the resurrection in that chamber those memories has been uploaded to the that brain.... That would be a nice explanation. So in that case there would be two very identical souls, one alive, and the other still in the Hell.

[Dyno]

That tends to imply something other than a transformation though, especially since it was changed from "transformation" to "evolution" in the newer versions of that dialogue. It was originally released as "Allow me to show you my further transformation", but then more recent releases of that line changed it to evolution, which implies that it's just further advancement of his existing form rather than busting out a brand new transformation. Why would the dialogue be changed otherwise?

I don't know. But taking Digimon as an example... "Evolution" indeed means another form.