Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[Marco Polo]

I quite like the idea of Goku given it he's all, achieving a new form of power, but still losing and admitting defeat; it's much better than the tired "Goku saves the day" again. If anything, it shows Goku is "human", and is capable of being defeated, even when at the top of his game. Hats off the writer.

It's not the first time Goku loses. He used to lose all the time in the World Martial Arts Tournaments. He even explicitely gave up against Cell during the Cell Games. This movie is just going back to the early DB sense of adventure of amazement since Goku had gotten much too invincible in the final parts of DBZ.

[NeoKING]

Goku losing to Bills kinda makes the series come full circle - he lost against Jackie Chun in the 21st Budokai. Just goes to show that even though he's strong, there's always someone stronger. In Dragon Ball, it was his own master. In Z, it was the God of Destruction.

[dbzfan7]

I quite like the idea of Goku given it he's all, achieving a new form of power, but still losing and admitting defeat; it's much better than the tired "Goku saves the day" again. If anything, it shows Goku is "human", and is capable of being defeated, even when at the top of his game. Hats off the writer.

It's not the first time Goku loses. He used to lose all the time in the World Martial Arts Tournaments. He even explicitely gave up against Cell during the Cell Games. This movie is just going back to the early DB sense of adventure of amazement since Goku had gotten much too invincible in the final parts of DBZ.

I would say only movie Goku seems to keep getting invincible.

[Nex Carnifex]

I agree what better way to refresh the Dragon Ball franchise than have Goku lose even after an immense power-up, then introduce 11 entire universes to discover.

[Sin]

Goku losing to Bills kinda makes the series come full circle - he lost against Jackie Chun in the 21st Budokai. Just goes to show that even though he's strong, there's always someone stronger. In Dragon Ball, it was his own master. In Z, it was the God of Destruction.

I totally agree, so far in Z it's just been 'Oh a new enemy! * Receives new transformation or technique and kills the enemy*' I think it's nice to finally have something a little different like we saw in Dragon Ball.

It was a brave move on the writer's behalf too, they took a less predictable route to convey that even though Goku and Co. are amazingly strong, there will always be someone that bit bigger in the playground. I'd be happy if the series ended that way, with us knowing Goku would still be training to fight whatever stronger threats are out there.

[NeoKING]

I always saw Goku as this happy-go-lucky typical Shonen main character. When he got older, he did become a little bit wiser along with becoming a master of fighting. But this movie just makes me see him as more human. To that, I applaud Toriyama and the other writers and directors.

[Nex Carnifex]

I always saw Goku as this happy-go-lucky typical Shonen main character. When he got older, he did become a little bit wiser along with becoming a master of fighting. But this movie just makes me see him as more human. To that, I applaud Toriyama and the other writers and directors.

He's a saiyan though

[The Jackal]

I quite like the idea of Goku given it he's all, achieving a new form of power, but still losing and admitting defeat; it's much better than the tired "Goku saves the day" again. If anything, it shows Goku is "human", and is capable of being defeated, even when at the top of his game. Hats off the writer.

It's not the first time Goku loses. He used to lose all the time in the World Martial Arts Tournaments. He even explicitely gave up against Cell during the Cell Games. This movie is just going back to the early DB sense of adventure of amazement since Goku had gotten much too invincible in the final parts of DBZ.

Yeah, but this is the first time he's lost after achieving a new level of Super Saiyan. I love that fact, it gives the character new appeal to me.

[Sin]

My question is where would they go from here with regards to training? If no one is a match for Birusu and only Goku can even put up a decent fight how would any new series' or films move forward? Pretty much all the characters besides Goku are so far below Goku that there could be no logical explanation for them to catch up... Especially if they proceed to fight the 11 other Gods of Destruction.

Even in Goku's case, what can they shove in that'll top being 'God'? Ah, I don't know, I would never have though of SSJG before I heard about it.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I have a question kei17, is the yellow-glowing body of SSG Goku in this picture accurate like the aura?

[Nex Carnifex]

My question is where would they go from here with regards to training? If no one is a match for Birusu and only Goku can even put up a decent fight how would any new series' or films move forward? Pretty much all the characters besides Goku are so far below Goku that there could be no logical explanation for them to catch up... Especially if they proceed to fight the 11 other Gods of Destruction.

Even in Goku's case, what can they shove in that'll top being 'God'? Ah, I don't know, I would never have though of SSJG before I heard about it.

Perhaps Goku trains Uub to be around his level, and then Gohan or something unlocks how to obtain the full SSG transformation and achieves it, and so does Vegeta, now we have at least 4 characters that can compete with the Gods or whatever other enemy above Bills.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

My question is where would they go from here with regards to training?

Maybe they are going to get trained by Uisu. He is the strongest person we've seen so far, and he is a martial arts master.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Based on what I've gathered. SSJ God isn't really a SSJ "God". From the looks of things it's just a power up that can compete with even the 12 Gods of destruction. If DBZ has taught us anything it's that Goku can always get stronger. Goku has already surpassed Gods in the past, I.E. Kaio Sama and Kaioshin. Goku never did try and stack SSJ2 and SSJ3 on top of his massive power up so he might be able to stack his transformations.

[Saiga]

It's not impressive for the producers of a shonen flick to not fall into the trap of just having the hero save the day in the end? Like they have literally done every single other time ever in the history of completely ever? Especially on the first full-length production in 17 years? Where part of the goal is to bring everyone back together and relive those great experiences?

I dunno what it takes to impress you, then!

Maybe it'd impress me if Yu Yu Hakusho hadn't already fallen in the trap of doing the opposite. Especially since the end sounds terribly anti-climatic.

[Gyt Kaliba]

My question is where would they go from here with regards to training?

Maybe they are going to get trained by Uisu. He is the strongest person we've seen so far, and he is a martial arts master.

That's the thing though, would Uisu even be willing to train them? And how would Bils take that idea, considering he's been sort of 'shamed' by Goku in this movie. Sure, Bils won, but Goku still made him use up a lot of power to the point that he can't destroy the Earth...so he might not take too kindly to Goku getting stronger.

Though on the other hand, maybe he'd have the same urge for a good fight, that he'd allow it...he was disappointed in Super Saiyan God's power if I recall. Hmm...

[TheMightyOzaru]

It's not impressive for the producers of a shonen flick to not fall into the trap of just having the hero save the day in the end? Like they have literally done every single other time ever in the history of completely ever? Especially on the first full-length production in 17 years? Where part of the goal is to bring everyone back together and relive those great experiences?

I dunno what it takes to impress you, then!

Maybe it'd impress me if Yu Yu Hakusho hadn't already fallen in the trap of doing the opposite. Especially since the end sounds terribly anti-climatic.

Or it could just be their is nothing really charming about Goku losing... I mean I'm just throwin' that out there....

[Retan]

Bills is knocked out for three years in the end. So they can train with Uisu or whatever his name is without Bills knowing.

And I think this movie is just the beginning of several more, if it does well enough that is.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Or it could just be their is nothing really charming about Goku losing... I mean I'm just throwin' that out there....

I dunno, it's pretty charming back in Dragon Ball. I'm fine with it in concept, but I'll need to see the movie myself to really decide of course.

Bills is knocked out for three years in the end. So they can train with Uisu or whatever his name is without Bills knowing.

True, but would three years really be enough time to train, if they're really THIS badly outclassed? Then again, it wouldn't be the first time.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Based on what I've gathered. SSJ God isn't really a SSJ "God". From the looks of things it's just a power up that can compete with even the 12 Gods of destruction. If DBZ has taught us anything it's that Goku can always get stronger. Goku has already surpassed Gods in the past, I.E. Kaio Sama and Kaioshin. Goku never did try and stack SSJ2 and SSJ3 on top of his massive power up so he might be able to stack his transformations.

I disagree. Looking at the form, it looks like a cool transformation. Since Goku could sense the godly power that only the gods can feel, Goku literally became a god. And the power up he got is immense. The form made his almost equal to Bills, who is stronger than Super Vegetto, and could defeat all the Z-Senshi with one blow each, and SS3 Goku with literally a flick of his finger. Suddenly, Goku became that powerful.

[fogdark]

Well, Kei mentions how Goku and Birusu have a small talk after their fight and then come down to join the others. Once there, Birusu says he'll now destroy the Earth, but apparently can't and claims he used too much energy fighting Goku....did anyone else heard someone yell bulls**t , or was it just me?
Personally I love the ending. First of all, yes Goku loses, but by losing to such a powerful opponent, Goku will now be more excited than ever to keep training. Now him going off with Buu at the end of Dragon Ball makes even more sense, since he knows for certain that there are powerful opponents that could attack at any moment.
Also, Goku doesn't care about winning, he enjoys the battle not the result, so he must have enjoyed himself immensely I imagine.
And finally, Goku was fighting to protect the Earth. I don't know what he told Birusu after they were done fighting (Kei could you answer this?) but it seems to me, from what we know so far, that Birusu was lying, and he could have destroyed the Earth but decided not to. Either because of the fight, or because of whatever Goku said to him.
It seems our hero managed to save the Earth once again, only this time, perhaps his words may have actually been stronger than his fists...