The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:33 pm

Super Vegetto wrote: Actualy that statment doesn't make sense if its wrong.

Gohan's build looks better because he is 7 years older and got higher because of puberty. Maybe he did stayed the same, but not like 7 years before where he intensitly trained his body and was much tougher.
His Muscles got bigger instead of smaller. He actually got a better physique when he got older. 7 years ago he didn't really have that much of a built body (excluding transformations) as an Adult his body got even more muscular without training. That shouldn't be possible. Puberty will not increase your muscles, it only defines them.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Super Vegetto » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:23 pm

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Super Vegetto wrote: Actualy that statment doesn't make sense if its wrong.

Gohan's build looks better because he is 7 years older and got higher because of puberty. Maybe he did stayed the same, but not like 7 years before where he intensitly trained his body and was much tougher.
His Muscles got bigger instead of smaller. He actually got a better physique when he got older. 7 years ago he didn't really have that much of a built body (excluding transformations) as an Adult his body got even more muscular without training. That shouldn't be possible. Puberty will not increase your muscles, it only defines them.
They got bigger because he got older and that's why he looks better in our eyes, not Vegetas. Yes it should be posible for him to get muscular, but not like when he was a kid.

Puberty in a male does tend to allow the short muscles to grow. But they need to be worked to increase in size, which is probably what Vegeta is talking about...

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:35 pm

Super Vegetto wrote:
They got bigger because he got older and that's why he looks better in our eyes, not Vegetas. Yes it should be posible for him to get muscular, but not like when he was a kid.

Puberty in a male does tend to allow the short muscles to grow. But they need to be worked to increase in size, which is probably what Vegeta is talking about...
The way they increased is ridiculous. Kid Gohan is pretty skinny in base.Yet as an adult he's chiseled as if he was in SSJ mode.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Super Vegetto » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:22 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
Super Vegetto wrote:
They got bigger because he got older and that's why he looks better in our eyes, not Vegetas. Yes it should be posible for him to get muscular, but not like when he was a kid.

Puberty in a male does tend to allow the short muscles to grow. But they need to be worked to increase in size, which is probably what Vegeta is talking about...
The way they increased is ridiculous. Kid Gohan is pretty skinny in base.Yet as an adult he's chiseled as if he was in SSJ mode.

Gohan is not ordinary kid. His muscles could be better than any kids at that age. When he became teen his muscles just grew with body.

The point is that he had muscles when he was a kid, while every other kid has muscle but not at level of athletic kid like him...

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Cursed Lemon » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:28 pm

He was ELEVEN during the Cell Games.

Have you looked at any eleven-year-olds lately?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:35 pm

Super Vegetto wrote:[


Gohan is not ordinary kid. His muscles could be better than any kids at that age. When he became teen his muscles just grew with body.

The point is that he had muscles when he was a kid, while every other kid has muscle but not at level of athletic kid like him...
Nobody gets built seven years later like that. As a kid his muscles weren't that big, Yet they got a whole lot bigger an we're the same size as Goku's even though he hadn't been training them.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Super Vegetto » Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:11 pm

Cursed Lemon: He is 9 in manga.

dbzfan7: I don't say that he got build like that after seven years. I say that he was like that as a kid and he only got taller. His muscle just adjusted with his body, and he obviously lived helthy life during those 7 years (exept ki training).

It's funny because he has only 61 kg with 176 cm. It's even amaizing that he looks like that with that weight.

I guess that it all depends on AT's drawing.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:18 pm

Super Vegetto wrote:Cursed Lemon: He is 9 in manga.

dbzfan7: I don't say that he got build like that after seven years. I say that he was like that as a kid and he only got taller. His muscle just adjusted with his body, and he obviously lived helthy life during those 7 years (exept ki training).

It's funny because he has only 61 kg with 176 cm. It's even amaizing that he looks like that with that weight.

I guess that it all depends on AT's drawing.
It does kinda depend as sometimes his physique is way more than it should be while other times it's skinny like it should be.
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Post by Cursed Lemon » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:07 pm

Super Vegetto wrote:Cursed Lemon: He is 9 in manga.
Well that only reinforces my point! :lol:
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Tyro » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:24 pm

Gohan was born sometime in May, Age 757 and the Cell Games happen on 26 May, Age 767. He spent only about 21 hours in the RoSaT, so he's about 10.875 years old.

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:57 pm

Cursed Lemon wrote:He was ELEVEN during the Cell Games.

Have you looked at any eleven-year-olds lately?
He's TEN, the Funimation dub made an error. Man I cannot stand when people say he's 11, it's so f***ing annoying :problem: .
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:27 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:He's TEN, the Funimation dub made an error. Man I cannot stand when people say he's 11, it's so f***ing annoying :problem: .
He really was 11. He was 4 at the beginning, 5 at Saiyan & Freeza arcs, 7 when Mecha Freeza came to Earth, 10 when the Artificial Humans attacked, and 11 after 1 year in RoSaT.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Tyro » Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:36 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:He's TEN, the Funimation dub made an error. Man I cannot stand when people say he's 11, it's so f***ing annoying :problem: .
He really was 11. He was 4 at the beginning, 5 at Saiyan & Freeza arcs, 7 when Mecha Freeza came to Earth, 10 when the Artificial Humans attacked, and 11 after 1 year in RoSaT.
He didn't spend 1 year inside the RoSaT, it was closer to 21 Earth hours. As I said in my post, the Cell Games happen almost exactly 10 years after Gohan was born so he's about 10.875 years old.

Edit: I just tried to take into account every day, week, month and year between Gohan's age of 4 and when he fights Cell and I came up with his age being 10.696 years old, so at least the math agrees well.
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Man I cannot stand when people say he's 11, it's so f***ing annoying :problem:
Maybe you need to take a time out.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:13 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:He's TEN, the Funimation dub made an error. Man I cannot stand when people say he's 11, it's so f***ing annoying :problem: .
He really was 11. He was 4 at the beginning, 5 at Saiyan & Freeza arcs, 7 when Mecha Freeza came to Earth, 10 when the Artificial Humans attacked, and 11 after 1 year in RoSaT.
He's ten. Hence why after SEVEN years he was 17 and in the manga after 7 years he was 16. Not 18. 17(anime) and 16(manga)

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:37 pm

Tyro wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Man I cannot stand when people say he's 11, it's so f***ing annoying :problem:
Maybe you need to take a time out.
It legitimately annoys me :? .
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:05 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:He's ten. Hence why after SEVEN years he was 17 and in the manga after 7 years he was 16. Not 18. 17(anime) and 16(manga)
He is both 10 & 11. He is alive for 11 years, but he has spend 10 years in the normal world. He was 16 in the start of Boo arc because they didn't count the year inside RoSaT, and because he hadn't turned 17 yet.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:10 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:He's ten. Hence why after SEVEN years he was 17 and in the manga after 7 years he was 16. Not 18. 17(anime) and 16(manga)
He is both 10 & 11. He is alive for 11 years, but he has spend 10 years in the normal world. He was 16 in the start of Boo arc because they didn't count the year inside RoSaT, and because he hadn't turned 17 yet.
Exactly. He's still 10/9. He's body is 10.876. Which is still TEN. he wasn't 11 YET. Still TEN. That's like saying on May 9 I'm 18 even though My bday is May 13.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:16 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:He's ten. Hence why after SEVEN years he was 17 and in the manga after 7 years he was 16. Not 18. 17(anime) and 16(manga)
He is both 10 & 11. He is alive for 11 years, but he has spend 10 years in the normal world. He was 16 in the start of Boo arc because they didn't count the year inside RoSaT, and because he hadn't turned 17 yet.
Exactly.
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Post by Tyro » Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:29 pm

How about we all agree on the fact that that he's almost 11 (AKA 10)? Whether you use The History of Ever or add up the time skips in the series, you get an answer that he's ~10.8 years old. We call people that aren't yet 11 "10." So: He's 10, but almost 11. About 10.8 or 10.9. Yeah. 3rd time. What is there to dispute?

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:45 pm

He's still 10. 11 can be disputed because it's not correct.
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