Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Legion]

No. Rewatch the scene.

I have seen the scene several times, thank you. Unless it shows that Zamasu's very soul got destroyed, he wasn't erased.

Mate, that scene is clear, he erased him. But like i said, think what you want.

[HeroR]

Mate, that scene is clear, he erased him. But like i said, think what you want.

And again, where was stated that Zamasu's very soul got erased. All I saw was his body vaporizing, which is seen all the time in the series.

[Bullza]

I mean, Vegeta power up after training for six months and surpassed Black for a time. Why do think Goku is still stronger than Vegeta?

I don't think Goku is stronger. I think the two are equal.

Goku after getting his rage boost after being told his family was killed = Vegeta after 6 months of training combined with him being angry over Trunks being hurt.

It could be me. My argument was that Black surpassed Vegeta because his clones were able to hit and harm Vegeta. Unless you think the clones were stronger than Black, that shouldn't be possible if Vegeta was still superior.

I went back and had a look, it was SansrivaaL and he was making this point.

"Like I said, theres a reason why Black wanted Vegeta and Goku to get angry, its because he has surpassed them again, dont tell me you dont find it weird why Black would want Vegeta to power up if they were still close in power right?"

[HeroR]

I mean, Vegeta power up after training for six months and surpassed Black for a time. Why do think Goku is still stronger than Vegeta?

I don't think Goku is stronger. I think the two are equal.

Goku after getting his rage boost after being told his family was killed = Vegeta after 6 months of training combined with him being angry over Trunks being hurt.

It could be me. My argument was that Black surpassed Vegeta because his clones were able to hit and harm Vegeta. Unless you think the clones were stronger than Black, that shouldn't be possible if Vegeta was still superior.

I went back and had a look, it was SansrivaaL and he was making this point.

"Like I said, theres a reason why Black wanted Vegeta and Goku to get angry, its because he has surpassed them again, dont tell me you dont find it weird why Black would want Vegeta to power up if they were still close in power right?"

Black took Goku out with eased even after his rage boost, while Vegeta beat the crap out of Black.

And yes, I remember that post.

[Bullza]

Yeah but you could just say Goku let his guard down and he was caught by surprise and that's why he lost. The same thing kinda happened when Black stabbed Vegeta not that long after he went Rose for the first time.

I think they're generally supposed to be on par with one another as they've been for most of the series since the Resurrection F saga.

[HeroR]

Yeah but you could just say Goku let his guard down and he was caught by surprise and that's why he lost. The same thing kinda happened when Black stabbed Vegeta not that long after he went Rose for the first time.

I think they're generally supposed to be on par with one another as they've been for most of the series since the Resurrection F saga.

Goku was attacking and ready to kill Black. His guard wasn't down and I still say Vegeta's guard wasn't as down as people keep thinking doing that first fight.

[Bullza]

Goku was attacking and ready to kill Black. His guard wasn't down and I still say Vegeta's guard wasn't as down as people keep thinking doing that first fight.

He's not going to be significantly weaker than Vegeta. He gave Vegeta a choice of fighting Black or Zamasu meaning he'd have been content with fighting Black if he needed to.

If he can hold back and even push back Merged Zamasu's attack like he did while it took both Vegeta and Trunks to push it back then how much weaker can he be?

[HeroR]

Goku was attacking and ready to kill Black. His guard wasn't down and I still say Vegeta's guard wasn't as down as people keep thinking doing that first fight.

He's not going to be significantly weaker than Vegeta. He gave Vegeta a choice of fighting Black or Zamasu meaning he'd have been content with fighting Black if he needed to.

If he can hold back and even push back Merged Zamasu's attack like he did while it took both Vegeta and Trunks to push it back then how much weaker can he be?

I heavily doubt that Goku could have beating Black up the way Vegeta did, especially given Black's 'WTF' expression. I also can't see how Vegeta is still only equal to Goku after training for six months. Rage boots don't tend to be prolong and Goku only practiced the Evil Containment Wave during his second time in the past.

As for the energy ball, I want to wait until we see if Goku is going to used the Kaioken, otherwise I can chalk this up to rule of drama for a good cliffhanger. Otherwise. Goku would be stronger than Vegeta since it took him and Trunks to push the energy ball back.

[SansrivaaL]

Goku was owning Zamasu and Black in a 2v1, Vegeta was focused on Black alone, Zamasu even landed a hit on Vegeta whereas Goku was untouchable, only reason why I think Goku lost is because he hesitated, remember he stared at Black for a long time? he stopped attacking, its like he was having doubts of killing him. Also the biggest difference is, Goku had a giant ass hole in his chest while moping the floor with those 2 while Vegeta was in top shape and despite that he still got hit by Zamasu.
Hell, it even showed us when Goku dashed to Black Zamasu couldnt even follow him and got surprised most of the fight like he was a mob or something.

[Bullza]

I just can't see there being any significant difference between the two because I feel the intention is to keep them both on par with one another. Goku powered up when he got angry...is that why only Vegeta trained in the ROSAT in order for him to catch back up again?

It's not like Vegeta said anything about surpassing Goku and he usually obsesses over that.

Likewise did they do something similar with Trunks in the last episode? It seemed like he had yet another rage boost and got even more powerful to perhaps put him on par with Vegeta.

I think the story is trying to keep them all kinda equalish.

[SansrivaaL]

Fact is Black is above everyone of em while I put Rage Goku above Vegeta, it is still debatable but thats just how I see it, if it wasnt for that huge ass hole in Goku's chest he probably wouldnt have went down after Black shot one in that hole.

[HeroR]

I just can't see there being any significant difference between the two because I feel the intention is to keep them both on par with one another. Goku powered up when he got angry...is that why only Vegeta trained in the ROSAT in order for him to catch back up again?

It's not like Vegeta said anything about surpassing Goku and he usually obsesses over that.

Likewise did they do something similar with Trunks in the last episode? It seemed like he had yet another rage boost and got even more powerful to perhaps put him on par with Vegeta.

I think the story is trying to keep them all kinda equalish.

Vegeta called himself superior to Goku, so he won't lose to a fake. Also, rage boosts are temporary power ups. Like Vegeta didn't keep his power after he raged against Beerus. And Goku and Vegeta weren't that equal outside of having the same form since it was said and implied several times that Goku was stronger than Vegeta by a noticeable amount. Goku was training to used the Evil Containment Wave, while Vegeta decided to used his time in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.

Trunks seems to get rage boost that makes his strength varies like Gohan as a kid.

[Bullza]

To go all the way back to the start. Are we really expected to believe that Goku surpassed Gohan at the start of Super?

Vegeta makes a comment about how he'd acknowledged his as the strongest which I think was just a callback to what he said when he was fighting Buu and he called him the best.

He also said that he didn't intend to remain number 2 forever so itd also mean Vegeta was stronger than Mystic Gohan at the start of Super and he wasn't even a SSJ3.

So maybe he just wasn't taking Gohan into consideration because he no longer fights? Maybe after 4 years he'd just lost a considerable amount of power from not training?

[HeroR]

To go all the way back to the start. Are we really expected to believe that Goku surpassed Gohan at the start of Super?

Vegeta makes a comment about how he'd acknowledged his as the strongest which I think was just a callback to what he said when he was fighting Buu and he called him the best.

He also said that he didn't intend to remain number 2 forever so itd also mean Vegeta was stronger than Mystic Gohan at the start of Super and he wasn't even a SSJ3.

So maybe he just wasn't taking Gohan into consideration because he no longer fights? Maybe after 4 years he'd just lost a considerable amount of power from not training?

I think it's highly possible that Goku surpassed Gohan since he always train, while Gohan had a history of not training if there is no immediate danger. I always thought that was the case long before BOG and Reserrection 'F', where everyone thought Gohan remained the strongest infused in EOZ. Then again, I never believe that the gap between Goku and Gohan was as massive as some kept pushing, but that's another discussion.

Vegeta, I don't see him being stronger than Gohan pre-BOG since he didn't have Super Saiyan 3. Vegeta's base would have to surpass Goku by almost 4x to make up the difference between him and Gohan. I think when Vegeta used number 2, I think he means he won't be second to Goku who is the best, so Gohan is kinda a moot point.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Gohan is a joke who can't even beat Buutenks.

[Saiyan007]

No. Rewatch the scene.

I have seen the scene several times, thank you. Unless it shows that Zamasu's very soul got destroyed, he wasn't erased.

He didn't just destroy him he erased him.He would've destroyed him in another timeline if it wasn't for the time ring.

That shows Beerus just didn't vaporize him he completely wiped him out I thought that was clear

[AvatarReiko]

I've always been curious but why is Gohan so hated by the DBZ fandom? His character literally gets shat on at every opportunity.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I've always been curious but why is Gohan so hated by the DBZ fandom? His character literally gets shat on at every opportunity.

Because Buu effortlessly jobbed him even though he was supposed to be the strongest.

[HeroR]

No. Rewatch the scene.

I have seen the scene several times, thank you. Unless it shows that Zamasu's very soul got destroyed, he wasn't erased.

He didn't just destroy him he erased him.He would've destroyed him in another timeline if it wasn't for the time ring.

That shows Beerus just didn't vaporize him he completely wiped him out I thought that was clear

The reason why it would had killed Black without the Time Ring is because gods can effect time. Nothing about erasing someone from existence.

I've always been curious but why is Gohan so hated by the DBZ fandom? His character literally gets shat on at every opportunity.

Because Buu effortlessly jobbed him even though he was supposed to be the strongest.

That Buu after he absorbed Gotenks. That version of Buu is only behind Buu after he absorbed Gohan in power. And if being a 'jobber' makes you hated, why is Vegeta so beloved. That's almost all he does with some sprinkle of shine.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I've always been curious but why is Gohan so hated by the DBZ fandom? His character literally gets shat on at every opportunity.

Because Buu effortlessly jobbed him even though he was supposed to be the strongest.

That Buu after he absorbed Gotenks. That version of Buu is only behind Buu after he absorbed Gohan in power. And if being a 'jobber' makes you hated, why is Vegeta so beloved. That's almost all he does with some sprinkle of shine.

Doesn't matter, if Gohan just finished Buu off instead of letting him absorb Gotenks like a moron he could have won that fight easily. And Vegeta is a joke too.