Death Battle: Goku vs Superman 2

[voltlunok]

Because there's very little proof Dcau characters have what it takes to takes on someone like Piccolo at the world tournament way back in DB

Based on what? You keep saying stuff like this but never back it up. Elaborate, give examples, give details. Just saying it doesn't make it true.

[Sora Saiyan]

Re: DCAU Darkseid
I actually didn't see him do anything impressive, I've actually watched Superman/Batman apocalypse aswell, and I can't remember anything that impressive.
@Fadeddream5
Goku is definitely a much better puncher than lifter, DB actually has that feat where Bootenks punches Gohans ki blast back at him, straight through the Earth and into space. Gohan ripped the Cell Jrs to pieces with physical blows. Also, I'm pretty sure Goku could punch somebody a lot higher than he used to jump in DB, and that was ridiculously high. I guess the people he fights later can recover from being sent flying and are harder to budge.

[Saiyan007]

Because there's very little proof Dcau characters have what it takes to takes on someone like Piccolo at the world tournament way back in DB

Based on what? You keep saying stuff like this but never back it up. Elaborate, give examples, give details. Just saying it doesn't make it true.

Based on them getting ko by things Piccolo would have no problem dishing out

Superman in Young justice got knocked out by an island explosion

Goku can deal out more damage by sneezing

[dbzfan7]

Dcau Darkseid punch is above Goku based on what?

Based on the fact that Goku and no one in his universe have any physical feats of their own. I've never seen Goku punch someone to space or lift anything heavier than several tons, prior to Super.

Real quick...

Base Super Saiyan Goku can easily punch and kick with 10 tons strapped to each of his arms and legs.

Also, there's very little-- to basically no-- evidence Goku could not punch somebody into space.

I found this old comment from Herms about it and he said

They're called "planets" (星/hoshi) in Chouzenshuu 4's entry on "wasabi". But then, Kaio's planet is always called a planet too, even though in real astronomic terms it wouldn't really make the cut. So those planets Beers destroyed might not necessarily be proper planet-sized planets, so to speak.

They could just be small, you're right that they appear that way in relation to Beerus but they don't look small in the way that King Kai's planet was where you could see the road and the trees.

In Super, Beerus had a MFTL feat so I don't know if how quick he went from one planet to the other would be an indicator of their size if he travelled between them at similar speeds.

I'm sorry, but I'm not budging on this one.

With the way they're positioned and by the speed presented, I refuse to believe they're "Earth sized" planets. That's just ludicrous, even from a comedic angle. While Beerus might be insanely fast, that just defies all logic, even as presented in the rest of the series. Also consider that their explosions are no where close to similar to any other normal sized planets, and are much more similar to what we see from King Kai's planet. Furthermore, their explosions overlap Beerus' temple, implying them to both be close in proximity to the temple proper, and closer to the screen than the temple itself.

Honestly Kaiser I am damn surprised you are even here. This is the last thing I'd ever think you'd ever spend time discussing. I am pretty shocked you've made more than one comment on the subject matter.

[fadeddreams5]

@Fadeddream5
Goku is definitely a much better puncher than lifter, DB actually has that feat where Bootenks punches Gohans ki blast back at him, straight through the Earth and into space. Gohan ripped the Cell Jrs to pieces with physical blows. Also, I'm pretty sure Goku could punch somebody a lot higher than he used to jump in DB, and that was ridiculously high. I guess the people he fights later can recover from being sent flying and are harder to budge.

See, these are good examples.

[Saiyan007]

Cell jr feat is even more impressive because they are more durable than planets

[The Monkey King]

Dcau Darkseid punch is above Goku based on what?

Based on the fact that Goku and no one in his universe have any physical feats of their own.

But there are plenty of feats:

Goku with a PL of 100 was already destroying 12 inch thick steel walls:

Strength checker:

Chapter: 21, P1.2
Context: Goku and Yamcha try to escape Pilaf's prison
Pilaf: “No matter how they struggle, it’s no use! The walls of the prison are made of 300-millimeter thick steel! The roof is super-strengthened glass! Not even a cannon can break it!”
Note: Goku and Yamcha can’t dent the prison walls, but Oozaru Goku smashes them.

Daizenshuu

Ōzaru: 100
With his battle power becoming ten times its usual, he can even pulverize a 30 cm-thick steel wall. He now has the destructive power of a battleship’s main gun.

Android 8 punched commander white over the horizon

Spoiler:

Tao throwing a stone pillar with enough force that it travels 2300km at hypersonic speeds

Spoiler:

Context: before Tao Pai Pai takes off for the Karin Holy Land
Tao Pai Pai: 'It's 2,300 kilometers northeast, huh?...Well then, I'll be back in about 30 minutes.'
Note: So in other words, Tao Pai Pai says he can throw a pillar 2,300 kilometers, jump on it and ride it all the way there, beat Goku, then come all the way back in about 30 minutes.

Tao said he'd be there and back in 30 minutes.

At the maximum this means one 2300km trip would take him 15 minutes.

Which means Tao threw the pillar at a speed of 9200km an hour = 5717miles an hour = mach 7.5

Since Tao threw the pillar then casually jumped to catch up with it this makes Tao mach 15+

Saiyan spacepods are durable enough to tank country level explosions:

Spoiler:

Gohan obliterated one with a headbutt

Spoiler:

Freeza's feats of strength and durability are impressive:

DBZ characters could generate planet destroying amounts of energy in the saiyan saga:

Spoiler:

Chapter: 231 (DBZ 37), P4.2/P6.2/P12.5

Context: Vegeta prepares to fire the Gyarikku-Ho

Vegeta: “Dodge this if you can!!!! Even if you save yourself, the Earth will be smashed to pieces!!!!! [ ] You’ll never block my Gyarikku-Ho…!!!! Turn to space dust together with the Earth!!!!!”

Goku: “x4!!!!!” *he uses the Kaio-ken x4*

The Daizenshuu also states saiyan saga Vegeta had enough power to destroy the Earth:
http://web.archive.org/web/201110110425 ... attle#link

Vegeta displays gigantic power capable of destroying the Earth.

Saiyan saga Vegeta being able to Earth bust has firm basis as BoZ Piccolo was able to vaporize the moon rather casually

Spoiler:

Now Namek is likely much bigger than Earth:

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=16051

Spoiler:

First let's establish some things:

http://www.mangareader.net/105-2898-...apter-249.html

Vegeta's power here was established to be 24,000 in the present arc and 18,000 back in the Saiyan Saga. We all know what that means.

Continuing below, Krillin and Dende take off at "top speed:"

http://www.mangareader.net/105-2909-...apter-260.html

We then get this:

http://www.mangareader.net/105-2910-...apter-261.html
http://www.mangareader.net/105-2910-...apter-261.html

Although this isn't exactly the best to use for a size estimate (since Krillin obviously wasn't flying at top speed), it's somewhat telling.

Chapter 270 gives us another clue as to how big Namek is.

Gohan and Krillin had been flying very suppressed and slow to avoid Vegeta, yet flying at top speed would still take them an hour after a four day journey. Note that they changed location from their first hideout, which is where we will turn soon.

Later on in chapter 292, Gohan stated the distance to Guru's.

http://i11.mangareader.net/dragon-ba...ball-69381.jpg

These are all rather strong hints regarding Namek's size.

Yet, the real clue lies here:

http://www.mangareader.net/105-2914-...apter-265.html

This is in chapter 265 after Guru unlocks some of Krillin's potential.

This is the furthest distance known in the arc. Thus it should be used as the best indicator. Krillin was stated to have a power level of around 10,000:

http://www.mangareader.net/105-2923-...apter-274.html

This of course, is lower than Saiyan Saga Vegeta's level of 18,000, but higher than base Goku's 8,000 after training with King Kai.
Goku of course, is around Mach 29 on Snake Way. Krillin after his power up on Namek would be at least that much.

Now let's crunch some numbers.

Mach 29 is 9,952.8 m/s or 9.9528 km/s.

As there are 3,600 seconds in an hour, this means that Krillin was flying at a speed of 35,830.08 kilometers per hour.

35,830.08 x 2 = 71,660.16.

Assuming that Gohan and Bulma's hideout was on the opposite side of the planet (which is actually quite a conservative assumption), it would mean that Krillin crossed half the planetary circumference.

Spoiler:

Thus Namek's circumference would be 143,320.32 kilometers.

Using this circle and sphere calculator, inputting this circumference nets a diameter of 45620.274747024465 kilometers.

Now I'll once again turn back to an old friend of mine, the Planetary Parameter Calculator (seriously I've used this thing in so many calcs it's like family ).

Let's get the easy part out of the way first. Under any gravity the planetary volume is 4.971E+22 or 49710000000000000000000 or forty-nine sextillion, seven hundred ten quintillion m^3. This is 45.7 times larger than Earth's volume of 1,087,000,000,000,000,000,000 or one sextillion, eighty-seven quintillion m^3.

Now for the GBE.

Two things to consider here, which will give a high and low end. The low end would be assuming that Namek was only 1G due to the fact that Bulma was able to stand and walk freely on the planet. The high end would assume an equivalent density to Earth (which it is somewhat interesting to note that Namek had no real large-scale rock formations to speak of, something one would expect of planets with higher gravity than Earth).

Anyway, the low end is 1.026E+34 joules as a minimum GBE. Earth's GBE is 2.4e32 joules.

1.026E+34/2.4e32 = 42.75.

To get the higher end, we'll assume a similar density to Earth. Earth's density is about 5,501 kg/m^3.

To get a similar density, we'll divide Namek's diameter by Earth's and increase the gravity accordingly.

45620.274747024465/12,756.2 = 3.5.

Increasing the gravity by 3.5 times and you get a density of 5,383 kg/m^3, which is slightly less than Earth.

The GBE for this is 1.257E+35 joules.

1.257E+35/2.4e32 = 523.75.

Recap:

Diameter: 45620.274747024465 (3.5 times larger than Earth's)
Circumference: 143,320.32 (3.5 times larger than Earth's)
Low end (1G) planetary GBE: 42.75 times greater than Earth's.
High end (similar density) planetary GBE: 523.75 times greater than Earth's.

Either way, Namek is significantly harder to destroy than Earth.

What does this say about Frieza busting Namek? Nothing really. But it does seem rather plausible that he can bust Earth-sized or smaller planets via DET

And Piccolo confirms that Namek saga Vegeta could've destroyed it

Spoiler:

Chapter: 306 (DBZ 112), P5.1-2

Context: talking about Vegeta’s planet-destroying attack

Piccolo: “[Freeza] knocked that back with just a kick…”

Kuririn: “That should have been Vegeta’s full power strike…[Freeza]’s too incredible…”

He even over powered and pushed back Goku's Kaio-Ken X20 Kamehameha carrying planet destroying amounts of force single handedly with his own physical strength:

Spoiler:

But that's not all Frieza also tanked Goku's Spirit Bomb:

A move so powerful Goku feared that if Frieza didn't take the majority of it's force it would destroy the planet:

Chapter: 314 (DBZ 120), P13.4-6

Goku: “I-I didn’t want to use this Genki-Dama. It will probably have too much force and squash the entire planet…But if I don’t defeat Freeza now, the universe itself will be in trouble…I don’t know if I’ll be able to pull this off right, but I’ve got to do it…You planets close to Namek! Give me just a little bit of your genki…!”

The Daizenshuu also confirms Goku's Spirit Bomb as a planet buster:

Genki-dama [Spirit Ball]

The Genki-dama is a technique that gathers the energy held by grass and trees, humans and animals, objects and the atmosphere, and then fires it. A Genki-dama gathered from only Kaio's planet had the destructive power to smash a super-fast brick. Going by this, in the case of a Genki-dama made on Earth, if you consider the Earth's size plus the ability to make energy from the sun your ally, it would certainly have the force to destroy a planet. However, it has the weakness that it makes you defenseless until fired.

http://web.archive.org/web/201111031819 ... k_g-i#link

Freeza tanking the Spirit Bomb

Spoiler:

The only reason it didn't completely obliterate Namek is because Frieza absorbed the vast majority of the force/impact.

Furthermore Freeza tanked what he stated would be a huge planetary explosion:

Chapter: 320 (DBZ 126), P10.1-4

Freeza: “Though we’ve avoided having the planet instantly explode, its core has been destroyed…Do you know what that means? Even if left alone, after 5 minutes this time there will definitely be a huge explosion, and Planet Namek will become space dust…”

Goku: “What!?...5 minutes will be enough for me to defeat you and escape in the spaceship I rode here from Earth.”

He never feared it would do any serious harm to him or Goku. He banked on Goku dying in space:

Spoiler:

When Freeza did take Namek exploding he did so whilst near dead, chopped in half and pushed inside the planet itself

Spoiler:

He then came back as a cyborg

Spoiler:

As durable as Freeza is Goku's punches packed enough force to wreck him:

Spoiler:

While SSJ2 level punches straight up splatter beings superior to Freeza on a genetic level:

Spoiler:

[voltlunok]

Because there's very little proof Dcau characters have what it takes to takes on someone like Piccolo at the world tournament way back in DB

Based on what? You keep saying stuff like this but never back it up. Elaborate, give examples, give details. Just saying it doesn't make it true.

Based on them getting ko by things Piccolo would have no problem dishing out

Superman in Young justice got knocked out by an island explosion

Goku can deal out more damage by sneezing

Oooooh. So basing the entirety of the DCAU on that one thing? Well how about that one time Superman fought Doomsday in Justice League where they fought in the middle of a volcano and were fully submerged in lava? Something that Goku can't do without some protective barrier. Or OH! That one time he took what was it *checks* 3 of Shazam's magic lightning bolts to the chest and shrugged it off? Oh and let's not forget all the crazy stuff from the Superman vs The Elites movie. Tanking what did the guy say? I think it was "50 supernovas to the face!" Yeah I doubt King Piccolo can tank 50 supernovas let alone Goku. Oh and to add some love to the rest of the DCAU cast I'll just leave my favorite scene from JLU. Where the flash runs faster then Brainiac can THINK.

You base your opinion on all the failures but ignore all the strengths.

I'm honestly done with this thread. It's at that point where the only people left are just going to go in circles and circles of "You're wrong!" "No you're wrong!" "NO! You're wrong!!!" "NO U!"

Have a nice day and I do deeply apologize if I come off as dickish.

[fadeddreams5]

voltlunok and The Monkey King, great posts! Actual feats. lol.

[dbzfan7]

Oooooh. So basing the entirety of the DCAU on that one thing? Well how about that one time Superman fought Doomsday in Justice League where they fought in the middle of a volcano and were fully submerged in lava? Something that Goku can't do without some protective barrier. Or OH! That one time he took what was it *checks* 3 of Shazam's magic lightning bolts to the chest and shrugged it off? Oh and let's not forget all the crazy stuff from the Superman vs The Elites movie. Tanking what did the guy say? I think it was "50 supernovas to the face!" Yeah I doubt King Piccolo can tank 50 supernovas let alone Goku. Oh and to add some love to the rest of the DCAU cast I'll just leave my favorite scene from JLU.

You base your opinion on all the failures but ignore all the strengths.

I'm honestly done with this thread. It's at that point where the only people left are just going to go in circles and circles of "You're wrong!" "No you're wrong!" "NO! You're wrong!!!" "NO U!"

Have a nice day and I do deeply apologize if I come off as dickish.

Um I think DCAU is really just another title for the Bruce Timm verse. I don't think every animated flick counts as part of DCAU. DCAU I believe is BTAS, STAS, Justice League, Zeta Project, Static Shock, and Batman Beyond. Everything else you said I think is sound.

[Kamiccolo9]

Oooooh. So basing the entirety of the DCAU on that one thing? Well how about that one time Superman fought Doomsday in Justice League where they fought in the middle of a volcano and were fully submerged in lava? Something that Goku can't do without some protective barrier. Or OH! That one time he took what was it *checks* 3 of Shazam's magic lightning bolts to the chest and shrugged it off? Oh and let's not forget all the crazy stuff from the Superman vs The Elites movie. Tanking what did the guy say? I think it was "50 supernovas to the face!" Yeah I doubt King Piccolo can tank 50 supernovas let alone Goku. Oh and to add some love to the rest of the DCAU cast I'll just leave my favorite scene from JLU.

You base your opinion on all the failures but ignore all the strengths.

I'm honestly done with this thread. It's at that point where the only people left are just going to go in circles and circles of "You're wrong!" "No you're wrong!" "NO! You're wrong!!!" "NO U!"

Have a nice day and I do deeply apologize if I come off as dickish.

Um I think DCAU is really just another title for the Bruce Timm verse. I don't think every animated flick counts as part of DCAU. DCAU I believe is BTAS, STAS, Justice League, Zeta Project, Static Shock, and Batman Beyond. Everything else you said I think is sound.

That's correct. I've seen it argued that the Arkham games count too, but I don't think that's right. I haven't bothered to research it or anything, though. And you left out Justice League Unlimited, which is technically a separate show.

[voltlunok]

Oooooh. So basing the entirety of the DCAU on that one thing? Well how about that one time Superman fought Doomsday in Justice League where they fought in the middle of a volcano and were fully submerged in lava? Something that Goku can't do without some protective barrier. Or OH! That one time he took what was it *checks* 3 of Shazam's magic lightning bolts to the chest and shrugged it off? Oh and let's not forget all the crazy stuff from the Superman vs The Elites movie. Tanking what did the guy say? I think it was "50 supernovas to the face!" Yeah I doubt King Piccolo can tank 50 supernovas let alone Goku. Oh and to add some love to the rest of the DCAU cast I'll just leave my favorite scene from JLU.

You base your opinion on all the failures but ignore all the strengths.

I'm honestly done with this thread. It's at that point where the only people left are just going to go in circles and circles of "You're wrong!" "No you're wrong!" "NO! You're wrong!!!" "NO U!"

Have a nice day and I do deeply apologize if I come off as dickish.

Um I think DCAU is really just another title for the Bruce Timm verse. I don't think every animated flick counts as part of DCAU. DCAU I believe is BTAS, STAS, Justice League, Zeta Project, Static Shock, and Batman Beyond. Everything else you said I think is sound.

Yeah I get that. I just think adding the Superman vs the Elite thing was just kinda...flavoring. Everything else is sound though and I did add a bit at the end about the Flash running faster then Brainiac can think. Though I might go check if Vs the Elite is counted. Hang on.

Edit. No VS the Elite isn't actually counted. In some circles it is but officially it's part of the DC Animated Movie verse.

[dario03]

Yeah I was about to say the same. DCAU is not all animated stuff. That scene where Superman gets punch into space is from Batman/Superman Apocalypse and I'm pretty sure that isn't DCAU. Like I said earlier not all animated showings are weak but the DCAU typically is. Though one big exception that I can think of off the top of my head would be Amazo. They made him very very strong in that, not just strong for DCAU but strong period. Guy could copy any power he saw just by seeing the person that had the power. He didn't even need to see you use the power, and he retained all powers he saw so he combined all of the powers and I'm guessing later on could amplify them. He was teleporting planets to other dimensions simply because they were in his way when he was flying across the Universe (and easily teleporting them back while being lightyears away).

[pacz360]

Dcau Darkseid punch is above Goku based on what?

Based on the fact that Goku and no one in his universe have any physical feats of their own.

But there are plenty of feats:

Goku with a PL of 100 was already destroying 12 inch thick steel walls:

Strength checker:

Chapter: 21, P1.2
Context: Goku and Yamcha try to escape Pilaf's prison
Pilaf: “No matter how they struggle, it’s no use! The walls of the prison are made of 300-millimeter thick steel! The roof is super-strengthened glass! Not even a cannon can break it!”
Note: Goku and Yamcha can’t dent the prison walls, but Oozaru Goku smashes them.

Daizenshuu

Ōzaru: 100
With his battle power becoming ten times its usual, he can even pulverize a 30 cm-thick steel wall. He now has the destructive power of a battleship’s main gun.

Android 8 punched commander white over the horizon

Spoiler:

Tao throwing a stone pillar with enough force that it travels 2300km at hypersonic speeds

Spoiler:

Context: before Tao Pai Pai takes off for the Karin Holy Land
Tao Pai Pai: 'It's 2,300 kilometers northeast, huh?...Well then, I'll be back in about 30 minutes.'
Note: So in other words, Tao Pai Pai says he can throw a pillar 2,300 kilometers, jump on it and ride it all the way there, beat Goku, then come all the way back in about 30 minutes.

Tao said he'd be there and back in 30 minutes.

At the maximum this means one 2300km trip would take him 15 minutes.

Which means Tao threw the pillar at a speed of 9200km an hour = 5717miles an hour = mach 7.5

Since Tao threw the pillar then casually jumped to catch up with it this makes Tao mach 15+

Saiyan spacepods are durable enough to tank country level explosions:

Spoiler:

Gohan obliterated one with a headbutt

Spoiler:

Freeza's feats of strength and durability are impressive:

DBZ characters could generate planet destroying amounts of energy in the saiyan saga:

Spoiler:

Chapter: 231 (DBZ 37), P4.2/P6.2/P12.5

Context: Vegeta prepares to fire the Gyarikku-Ho

Vegeta: “Dodge this if you can!!!! Even if you save yourself, the Earth will be smashed to pieces!!!!! [ ] You’ll never block my Gyarikku-Ho…!!!! Turn to space dust together with the Earth!!!!!”

Goku: “x4!!!!!” *he uses the Kaio-ken x4*

The Daizenshuu also states saiyan saga Vegeta had enough power to destroy the Earth:
http://web.archive.org/web/201110110425 ... attle#link

Vegeta displays gigantic power capable of destroying the Earth.

Saiyan saga Vegeta being able to Earth bust has firm basis as BoZ Piccolo was able to vaporize the moon rather casually

Spoiler:

Now Namek is likely much bigger than Earth:

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=16051

Spoiler:

First let's establish some things:

http://www.mangareader.net/105-2898-...apter-249.html

Vegeta's power here was established to be 24,000 in the present arc and 18,000 back in the Saiyan Saga. We all know what that means.

Continuing below, Krillin and Dende take off at "top speed:"

http://www.mangareader.net/105-2909-...apter-260.html

We then get this:

http://www.mangareader.net/105-2910-...apter-261.html
http://www.mangareader.net/105-2910-...apter-261.html

Although this isn't exactly the best to use for a size estimate (since Krillin obviously wasn't flying at top speed), it's somewhat telling.

Chapter 270 gives us another clue as to how big Namek is.

Gohan and Krillin had been flying very suppressed and slow to avoid Vegeta, yet flying at top speed would still take them an hour after a four day journey. Note that they changed location from their first hideout, which is where we will turn soon.

Later on in chapter 292, Gohan stated the distance to Guru's.

http://i11.mangareader.net/dragon-ba...ball-69381.jpg

These are all rather strong hints regarding Namek's size.

Yet, the real clue lies here:

http://www.mangareader.net/105-2914-...apter-265.html

This is in chapter 265 after Guru unlocks some of Krillin's potential.

This is the furthest distance known in the arc. Thus it should be used as the best indicator. Krillin was stated to have a power level of around 10,000:

http://www.mangareader.net/105-2923-...apter-274.html

This of course, is lower than Saiyan Saga Vegeta's level of 18,000, but higher than base Goku's 8,000 after training with King Kai.
Goku of course, is around Mach 29 on Snake Way. Krillin after his power up on Namek would be at least that much.

Now let's crunch some numbers.

Mach 29 is 9,952.8 m/s or 9.9528 km/s.

As there are 3,600 seconds in an hour, this means that Krillin was flying at a speed of 35,830.08 kilometers per hour.

35,830.08 x 2 = 71,660.16.

Assuming that Gohan and Bulma's hideout was on the opposite side of the planet (which is actually quite a conservative assumption), it would mean that Krillin crossed half the planetary circumference.

Spoiler:

Thus Namek's circumference would be 143,320.32 kilometers.

Using this circle and sphere calculator, inputting this circumference nets a diameter of 45620.274747024465 kilometers.

Now I'll once again turn back to an old friend of mine, the Planetary Parameter Calculator (seriously I've used this thing in so many calcs it's like family ).

Let's get the easy part out of the way first. Under any gravity the planetary volume is 4.971E+22 or 49710000000000000000000 or forty-nine sextillion, seven hundred ten quintillion m^3. This is 45.7 times larger than Earth's volume of 1,087,000,000,000,000,000,000 or one sextillion, eighty-seven quintillion m^3.

Now for the GBE.

Two things to consider here, which will give a high and low end. The low end would be assuming that Namek was only 1G due to the fact that Bulma was able to stand and walk freely on the planet. The high end would assume an equivalent density to Earth (which it is somewhat interesting to note that Namek had no real large-scale rock formations to speak of, something one would expect of planets with higher gravity than Earth).

Anyway, the low end is 1.026E+34 joules as a minimum GBE. Earth's GBE is 2.4e32 joules.

1.026E+34/2.4e32 = 42.75.

To get the higher end, we'll assume a similar density to Earth. Earth's density is about 5,501 kg/m^3.

To get a similar density, we'll divide Namek's diameter by Earth's and increase the gravity accordingly.

45620.274747024465/12,756.2 = 3.5.

Increasing the gravity by 3.5 times and you get a density of 5,383 kg/m^3, which is slightly less than Earth.

The GBE for this is 1.257E+35 joules.

1.257E+35/2.4e32 = 523.75.

Recap:

Diameter: 45620.274747024465 (3.5 times larger than Earth's)
Circumference: 143,320.32 (3.5 times larger than Earth's)
Low end (1G) planetary GBE: 42.75 times greater than Earth's.
High end (similar density) planetary GBE: 523.75 times greater than Earth's.

Either way, Namek is significantly harder to destroy than Earth.

What does this say about Freeza busting Namek? Nothing really. But it does seem rather plausible that he can bust Earth-sized or smaller planets via DET

And Piccolo confirms that Namek saga Vegeta could've destroyed it

Spoiler:

Chapter: 306 (DBZ 112), P5.1-2

Context: talking about Vegeta’s planet-destroying attack

Piccolo: “[Freeza] knocked that back with just a kick…”

Kuririn: “That should have been Vegeta’s full power strike…[Freeza]’s too incredible…”

He even over powered and pushed back Goku's Kaio-Ken X20 Kamehameha carrying planet destroying amounts of force single handedly with his own physical strength:

Spoiler:

But that's not all Freeza also tanked Goku's Spirit Bomb:

A move so powerful Goku feared that if Freeza didn't take the majority of it's force it would destroy the planet:

Chapter: 314 (DBZ 120), P13.4-6

Goku: “I-I didn’t want to use this Genki-Dama. It will probably have too much force and squash the entire planet…But if I don’t defeat Freeza now, the universe itself will be in trouble…I don’t know if I’ll be able to pull this off right, but I’ve got to do it…You planets close to Namek! Give me just a little bit of your genki…!”

The Daizenshuu also confirms Goku's Spirit Bomb as a planet buster:

Genki-dama [Spirit Ball]

The Genki-dama is a technique that gathers the energy held by grass and trees, humans and animals, objects and the atmosphere, and then fires it. A Genki-dama gathered from only Kaio's planet had the destructive power to smash a super-fast brick. Going by this, in the case of a Genki-dama made on Earth, if you consider the Earth's size plus the ability to make energy from the sun your ally, it would certainly have the force to destroy a planet. However, it has the weakness that it makes you defenseless until fired.

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Freeza tanking the Spirit Bomb

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The only reason it didn't completely obliterate Namek is because Freeza absorbed the vast majority of the force/impact.

Furthermore Freeza tanked what he stated would be a huge planetary explosion:

Chapter: 320 (DBZ 126), P10.1-4

Freeza: “Though we’ve avoided having the planet instantly explode, its core has been destroyed…Do you know what that means? Even if left alone, after 5 minutes this time there will definitely be a huge explosion, and Planet Namek will become space dust…”

Goku: “What!?...5 minutes will be enough for me to defeat you and escape in the spaceship I rode here from Earth.”

He never feared it would do any serious harm to him or Goku. He banked on Goku dying in space:

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When Freeza did take Namek exploding he did so whilst near dead, chopped in half and pushed inside the planet itself

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He then came back as a cyborg

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As durable as Freeza is Goku's punches packed enough force to wreck him:

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While SSJ2 level punches straight up splatter beings superior to Freeza on a genetic level:

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Thank you monkey king you hit the nail on the head

[Bullza]

I'm sorry, but I'm not budging on this one.

Well I'm not necessarily saying they are Earth sized but I don't think they're King Kai's planet size either.

These planets

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Just don't resemble this

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And you're right about the explosions that are basically just a puff of smoke but in Resurrection F (don't know if you've seen it) Beerus does destroy a planet with the vicinity of his temple and that time there is a large explosion which rocks Beerus' planet and Goku and Vegeta shield themselves from it.

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Also if they were really small they wouldn't have much in the way of life so I don't see why Whis would be in such a rush to knock Beerus out or as was explained in RoF why he went out of his way to bring two planets back after Beerus recklessly destroyed them.

[KaiserNeko]

I really hate that line in Vs. The Elites about it being "like 15 suns going off in his face". That's obviously total nonsense, as that would have destroyed the moon... along with the solar system.

Seriously, you can't just concentrate that much energy into one place and not have huge, expansive consequences. I can understand if he was spouting hyperbole, but it's a gross misrepresentation of that kind of power.

Also if they were really small they wouldn't have much in the way of life so I don't see why Whis would be in such a rush to knock Beerus out or as was explained in RoF why he went out of his way to bring two planets back after Beerus recklessly destroyed them.

Because they're still a part of their... home? Their realm? I'm not sure what to call it exactly, but it's obvious that they're a part of their own world, and their destruction would be a hassle for them both. They may not be King Kai sized, but it looks like they're not even the size of our moon.

[pacz360]

I really hate that line in Vs. The Elites about it being "like 15 suns going off in his face". That's obviously total nonsense, as that would have destroyed the moon... along with the solar system.

Seriously, you can't just concentrate that much energy into one place and not have huge, expansive consequences. I can understand if he was spouting hyperbole, but it's a gross misrepresentation of that kind of power.

Also if they were really small they wouldn't have much in the way of life so I don't see why Whis would be in such a rush to knock Beerus out or as was explained in RoF why he went out of his way to bring two planets back after Beerus recklessly destroyed them.

Because they're still a part of their... home? Their realm? I'm not sure what to call it exactly, but it's obvious that they're a part of their own world, and their destruction would be a hassle for them both. They may not be King Kai sized, but it looks like they're not even the size of our moon.

I agree on the vs the elite line i feel like that was an exaggeration plus never in the original comic. On the planets thing in beerus temple maybe in super the clear up the planets size at least to see how big they are at least.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

I did not know this actually existed until yesterday. Wonderfully animated fight, they made their point in what was at once the most action-esque but poingiant way. (Of course Kaio was watching the whole thing!)

I really hate that line in Vs. The Elites about it being "like 15 suns going off in his face". That's obviously total nonsense, as that would have destroyed the moon... along with the solar system.

Seriously, you can't just concentrate that much energy into one place and not have huge, expansive consequences. I can understand if he was spouting hyperbole, but it's a gross misrepresentation of that kind of power.

I agree, but the strangest part of it is that Dragon Ball's LACK of such visible destruction, when the energy for it is countless times implied to be there, is the greatest fuel for this discussion. Dragon Ball fights have had reason to spread to a galactic plane since Cell, but since none of our chracters can breath in space and Dragon Ball has little precedent for fighting on that scale, we have increasingly stronger people confined to a planet; its why Cell, Buu, and GT felt redundant.

[fadeddreams5]

I really hate that line in Vs. The Elites about it being "like 15 suns going off in his face". That's obviously total nonsense, as that would have destroyed the moon... along with the solar system.

Seriously, you can't just concentrate that much energy into one place and not have huge, expansive consequences. I can understand if he was spouting hyperbole, but it's a gross misrepresentation of that kind of power.

How about that hero, Sentry, from Marvel, who's claimed to have the "power of one million exploding suns"? lol

[KaiserNeko]

I really hate that line in Vs. The Elites about it being "like 15 suns going off in his face". That's obviously total nonsense, as that would have destroyed the moon... along with the solar system.

Seriously, you can't just concentrate that much energy into one place and not have huge, expansive consequences. I can understand if he was spouting hyperbole, but it's a gross misrepresentation of that kind of power.

How about that hero, Sentry, from Marvel, who's claimed to have the "power of one million exploding suns"? lol

That's... ridiculous, even by superhero comic logic, but that's fine. But releasing that energy into a space is another matter. Also, pretty sure Coldcast was never that strong.