Woohoo! More News About The New Dragonball Special!

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:34 pm

Since the special itself pretty much confirms them; could someone please PLEASE post those character sheets that were talked about on the Podcast?

Please?

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:31 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:They're actually pretty consistent, considering they have little reason to care about that, from their perspective.

I wouldn't consider having two to three "official" English spellings being consistent. Why should we put any stock in the spellings chosen by some Shueisha or Toei employee who obviously doesn't know much English? Especially if they, as you say, "have little reason to care about" the English spellings? Did the guy who called Gurd (gurudo) "Ghourd" in one of the Daizenshuu really know that his name comes from the "gurt" (guruto) in yogurt? I mean, they even mocked that spelling in that podcast episode about the various Dragon Ball guide books.

Olivier Hague wrote:Interesting, I guess I missed that one. Do you remember when that was?

On chapter 26's title page:

Also, "Yajirove" was from chapter 140's title page:

It's funny how many official English spellings get attached to clothing and motorcycles. ^.^

And "Radiz" was from Dragon Ball Landmark.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:51 pm

Herms wrote:
KaiserNeko wrote:
Dayspring wrote:My hang-ups: Tarble's age.
Isn't it Table?

Vegeta+Table=Vegetable?

It's not Ta-ru-bu-ru, it's Ta-bu-ru. ターブル.
Extended "a" sounds in Japanese are often romanized as "ar", like with Zarbon (za-bon).

Plus the official character design sheet showed that TOEI's prefered alphabetized spelling is "Tarble."

I just don't want to call him "Table" since it's is a pun on vegetable and not furniture, so if there's even a chance that the English version has any alternate spelling, I'm going to use it. "Tarble" looks not only like the legit spelling, but exactly what I'm looking for.

Seriously, people, we've got user using "Tahble" and "Tuhble" as spellings, and most users still prefer to use "Bebi" over Baby. You can let me get away with this one thing, can't you? Especially since there's more than a 50% chance that I'm spelling it right. ^_^;;

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:23 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:I wouldn't consider having two to three "official" English spellings being consistent.

Er... I don't understand that sentence, sorry. Could you rephrase? ^^;

Why should we put any stock in the spellings chosen by some Shueisha or Toei employee who obviously doesn't know much English?

First of all, that's a generality. Just because you came across some name spellings that (somehow?) gave you the impression whoever came up with them had lousy English skills, that doesn't mean that necessarily applies to all of these guys.
Then, who cares about their English skills anyway? Those are imaginary names! Even when they're based on English words, they don't have to be those English words (and you can often tell they're not, just based on the kana). That would be a good point for stuff like "Red Ribon" and such, but most of the time...

Especially if they, as you say, "have little reason to care about" the English spellings?

(alphabet spellings... alphabet != English)

Did the guy who called Gurd (gurudo) "Ghourd" in one of the Daizenshuu really know that his name comes from the "gurt" (guruto) in yogurt?

Well, did you know that the Japanese "yôguruto" actually comes from the German "Joghurt"? Did you know that the spelling "yoghourt" actually exists?
So, by the very logic you appear to be using, why should I put any stock in your spellings when you're obviously missing some facts? :þ
Add to that the thing about the name being consistently spelled "Ghourd" on Japanese material... and the bit about you being a fan, whereas they're just a tiny bit higher up in the hierarchy...
... Well, you should see what I'm getting at. :þ

But really, even if it did come from the English "yogurt", there would be no reason to assume that whoever came up with the spelling "Ghourd" didn't know that. You sound biased. ^^;

I mean, they even mocked that spelling in that podcast episode about the various Dragon Ball guide books.

Oooh, the podcast, you say?! Damn! 'Sounds so official! ;þ

On chapter 26's title page:
[snip]

No wonder I missed that one! ^__^;
Thank you!

Also, "Yajirove" was from chapter 140's title page

Yeah, I saw that one.

"Radiz" was from Dragon Ball Landmark.

I'm seeing "Raditz" at page 74...

DNA · Post by **DNA** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:09 pm

I remember when this forum used to be good. Now it's just fanboys flamming other fanboys. Everyone being anal about the most trivial of things. Everyone bitching about anything that someone else doesn't agree with. Seriously guys, you probably keep forgetting that all this is about a juvenile cartoon series. Grow up. I can't look at a piece of news or decent comment without being bombarded by flame wars and anal comments. I'm forced to use that old quote: Internet arguing is like Special Olympics, even if you win, you are still retarded.

I know this won't change anything, it's not like any of you will actually stop, but at least it's a piece of my mind, and there's always hope.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:52 pm

DNA wrote:I remember when this forum used to be good. [...]

Aw, spare us that shit.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:18 pm

DNA wrote:I remember when this forum used to be good. Now it's just fanboys flamming other fanboys. Everyone being anal about the most trivial of things. Everyone bitching about anything that someone else doesn't agree with. Seriously guys, you probably keep forgetting that all this is about a juvenile cartoon series. Grow up. I can't look at a piece of news or decent comment without being bombarded by flame wars and anal comments. I'm forced to use that old quote: Internet arguing is like Special Olympics, even if you win, you are still retarded.

I know this won't change anything, it's not like any of you will actually stop, but at least it's a piece of my mind, and there's always hope.

I'd rather people have different opinions and debate over a circle jerk. Forums aren't fun when everybody thinks and types the same stuff,

Post by **VegettoEX** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:27 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:I mean, they even mocked that spelling in that podcast episode about the various Dragon Ball guide books.
Oooh, the podcast, you say?! Damn! 'Sounds so official! ;þ

I was about to make the same comment

.

Olivier Hague wrote:
DNA wrote:I remember when this forum used to be good. [...]
Aw, spare us that shit.

Word.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:29 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
Olivier Hague wrote:
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:I mean, they even mocked that spelling in that podcast episode about the various Dragon Ball guide books.
Oooh, the podcast, you say?! Damn! 'Sounds so official! ;þ
I was about to make the same comment .

Olivier Hague wrote:
DNA wrote:I remember when this forum used to be good. [...]
Aw, spare us that shit.
Word.

Could you please tell me if you know if those character sheets are real or not?

Post by **VegettoEX** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:29 pm

Chuquita wrote:Could you please tell me if you know if those character sheets are real or not?

I don't know anything. I haven't even been in town for about a week, and have no idea what the bloody Hell is going on in the world.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:32 pm

DNA wrote:I remember when this forum used to be good. Now it's just fanboys flamming other fanboys. Everyone being anal about the most trivial of things. Everyone bitching about anything that someone else doesn't agree with. Seriously guys, you probably keep forgetting that all this is about a juvenile cartoon series. Grow up. I can't look at a piece of news or decent comment without being bombarded by flame wars and anal comments. I'm forced to use that old quote: Internet arguing is like Special Olympics, even if you win, you are still retarded.

I know this won't change anything, it's not like any of you will actually stop, but at least it's a piece of my mind, and there's always hope.

This is reasoned debate, not flaming. If you can't tell the difference...well, that's your failing.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:49 pm

So is krillian bald or not?

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:55 pm

Victator Supreme wrote:So is krillian bald or not?

*Would also like to know this.*

I'd also like to ask about Chi-Chi. Is she in her post-Buu style, or is she designed like she is in the special's poster?

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:09 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:I wouldn't consider having two to three "official" English spellings being consistent.
Er... I don't understand that sentence, sorry. Could you rephrase? ^^;

Well, you said that the "alphabet" spellings were pretty consistent. Yet some characters have had two or three different spellings assigned to them, some being downright ridiculous (come on, you can't tell me that "Laditwo" for Raditz isn't stupid. Plus, it disregards the name pun entirely). I don't see any "consistency" there. Even the main character has three different "official" names.

And I didn't address this earlier, but both "Bageta" and "Begeta" are littered throughout Dragon Ball Landmark and Forever. I don't remember what the Daizenshuu used...

Olivier Hague wrote:Oooh, the podcast, you say?! Damn! 'Sounds so official! ;þ

Aww, come on, you know that isn't what I was saying. I was pointing out that someone else has made the same observation about the name. But in light of the new information you've given me, that particular name doesn't look so stupid. ^.^

Olivier Hague wrote:I'm seeing "Raditz" at page 74...

I have no idea where my copy of Landmark is, but it isn't that big of a deal.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:41 pm

Where'd you get a Landmark from?

800 POST!!!

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:44 pm

Tokyo, Japan.

I found Forever at a Kinokuniya here in the states, though.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:35 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:Well, you said that the "alphabet" spellings were pretty consistent. Yet some characters have had two or three different spellings assigned to them

Oh, OK. Sorry 'bout that. ^^;

Hm. Well, here's a list of the alphabet names I've found so far on official Japanese material:

GOKU / SON GOKOU / SON GOKOH
BULMA
UMIGAME
KAME-SENNIN / KAMESENNIN / MUTEN-ROUSHI
WOOLONG
POOAL
YAMCHA
CHI-CHI / CHICHI / Chichi
GYUUMAOH
TONINJINKA
MYE
SHU
PILAF
SHENRON
KURIRIN / KULILIN / KLILYN / CLYLYN
LUNCH / LUNCHI
GIRAN
NAM
LAMFAN
JUCKIE-CHUN
BACTERIAN
ANNOUNCER
SILVER
RED-SOUSUI / BOSS
BLACK-SANBOU / ADVISER
WHITE-SHOUGUN / GENERAL
SNO
MURASAKI-SOUCHOU
METALIC-GUNSOU
ANDROID No.8 (HATCHAN)
BUYON
Dr. BRIEF
BLUE-SHOUGUN / GENERAL
BORA
UPA
TAOPAIPAI
KARIN
URANAI-BABA / WITCH
DRACULAMAN
MIRRA-KUN
AKKUMAN
SON GOHAN
TENSHINHAN / TENSHIN HAN / TENSINHAN / Tenshinhan
TSURU-SENNIN
CHAOZ / CHAOS
KING CHAPA
OTOKO-OHKAMI
PUNPUTTO
PICCOLO-DAIMAOH / PICCOLO THE DEVIL / PICCOLO DAIMAOU
MU TAITO
PIANO
TAMBOURINE
CYMBAL
YAJIROVE / YAJIROBE / YAJIROBEE
WORLD KING
DRUM
PICCOLO (MAJUNIOR)
Mr. POPO
KAMI-SAMA
SHEN
RADITZ / LADITWO
SON GOHAN / Songohan
NAPPA
VEGETA / BEGETA / BAGETA
EMMA-DAIOH / ENMA-DAIOH
BUBBLES
KAIOH
SAIBAIMAN
APOULE / APUR
KIWI
DODORIA
FREEZA
ZARBON
MURI
DENDE
NAIL
SAICHOUROU / SAI-CHOUROU
JEES
BURTTA / BURTA
GINEW
RECOOM
GHOURD
POLUNGA
BARDUCK / BARDACK
KING COLD
TRUNKS
ANDROID No.20 Dr. GERO
ANDROID No.19
ANDROID No.17
ANDROID No.18
ANDROID No.16
CELL
Mr. SATAN
CELL Jr.
VIDEL
ERASA
SHAPNER
GREAT SAIYAMAN
SON GOTEN
SOUTH KAIOH
IDASA
KAIOHSHIN / KAIOH SHIN / SHIN
KIBITO
MIGHTY MASK
YAMU
SPOPOBITCH
PUNTA
JEWEL
KIELA
BABIDI
DARBURA
PUIPUI
YAKON
MAJIN-BOO / MAJIN BOO / BOO
ROU-KAIOUSHIN
GOTENKS
VEGETTO
PAN
OOB

(that's just for the manga, but if you're interested, I did the anime characters as well...)

Is it really that bad?
Some of the alternate spellings are actually just English translations, and the rest of them mainly concern Asian names (which isn't exactly surprising considering there are several transliteration systems for those).
That being said, the only "casualties" I'd see would be "Kuririn", "Lunch", "Yajirove", "Raditz", "Vegeta", "Apoule", "Burtta" and "Barduck"...

"Kuririn"... Well, yeah, that's a bit of a problem. Tôei is consistent, but Toriyama disagrees. Thing is, Toriyama isn't consistent. Sometimes, life sucks like that. And in case you're wondering, I couldn't for the life of me remember where I stumbled upon that one "Clylyn."

"Lunch"... Well, if that's how Toriyama spells it, I guess we might as well go with that.

"Yajirove"... A second problem. It would make sense for the name to look Japanese, but a "V"? Really? There are quite a few "Yajirobe" out there, but if Toriyama went with "Yajirove"... Meh.

"Raditz"... I only found one "Laditwo", and a whole bunch of "Raditz". Case closed, as far as I'm concerned.

"Vegeta"... Well, again, "Vegeta" wins by such a huge margin I don't think there's any doubt to have.

"Apoule"... The only "Apur" comes from a recent video game that also used a bunch of spellings from the US version. Additionally, who cares? ;þ

"Burtta"... I found only one "Burta" and a bunch of "Burtta". It looks like you want the pun to be as apparent as possible, so I believe you'll be pleased with that double "T", huh? ^^

"Barduck"... I think I've seen "Barduck" a couple of times and "Bardack" only once. Way too small a sample, really.

So, again... Was it really that bad?

come on, you can't tell me that "Laditwo" for Raditz isn't stupid. Plus, it disregards the name pun entirely

You know, I'm not even sure how the name puns became so damn important... Shouldn't they be... well, Easter eggs at best? ^^;

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:04 pm

Ah...Question guys.
Who is this little guy?

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:05 pm

That would be Tarble's wife.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:08 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:That would be Tarble's wife.

I would love to see Vegeta's reaction to finding out that his sister-in-law is an alien, even though his wife is too.