Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by VegetaSSJBlue » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:21 pm

Dragon Ball Power Levels

MULTIPLIERS

Oozaru – 10x
Super Saiyan – 50x
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 75x
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 100x
Super Saiyan 2 – 100x
Super Saiyan 3 – 400x


Dragon Ball Minus


[spoiler]Freeza – 530,000
King Vegeta – 10,000
Vegeta – 6,000

Bardock– 2,500
Gine – 1,000
Raditz – 400
Son Goku – 10

Grandpa Gohan – 110
Jaco – 300[/spoiler]


Dragon Ball Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 30
Oozaru – 300

Muten Roshi – 75
Full Power – 150

Gyuumao– 60
Yamcha – 25
Kuririn – 20
Chi Chi – 15[/spoiler]


21st Tenkaichi Budokai Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 75
Oozaru – 750

Muten Roshi – 75
Full Power – 150

Nam– 65
Kuririn – 50
Giran– 40
Yamcha – 35
Ran Fan – 30
Bacterian – 25[/spoiler]


Red Ribbon Army Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 80
After Karin’s training – 120

Karin– 130
Arale Norimaki – 90
Bora– 70
Kuririn – 50

Ninja Murasaki– 35
Assistant Black – 45
Sergeant Metallic– 55
Pirate Robot – 60
General Blue – 65
Buyon – 75
Android 8– 85
Tao Pai Pai – 100[/spoiler]


Uranai Baba’s Tournament Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 120
Kuririn – 50
Yamcha– 35

Dracula Man – 20
Invisible Man– 25
Mummy Man – 75
Akkuman – 95
Grandpa Gohan – 110[/spoiler]



22nd Tenkaichi Budokai Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 165
Tenshinhan– 160
Muten Roshi – 150
Tsuru– 140
Kuririn – 133
Yamcha – 132
Chiaotzu– 126
King Chapa – 120
Panput – 45
Wolf Man – 30[/spoiler]


Piccolo Daimao Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 165
After drinking Ultra Divine Water – 240

Tenshinhan– 160
Yajirobe– 155
Muten Roshi – 150
Kuririn – 133
Yamcha – 132

Cymbal – 85
Tambourine – 145
Drum– 185

Piccolo Daimao– 200
Youth restored – 234[/spoiler]



23rd Tenkaichi Budokai Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 400
Piccolo – 395
Kami of Earth – 300
Mr. Popo – 275
Tenshinhan– 245
Kuririn – 200
Yamcha – 175
Tao Pai Pai [Cyborg] – 170
Chaozu – 160
Yajirobe – 155
King Chapa – 135
Chi Chi– 80[/spoiler]


Raditz Arc


[spoiler]Son Gohan – 1
Enraged – 1,307

Son Goku– 416
Piccolo – 408
Tenshinhan – 250
Kuririn – 206
Yamcha – 177
Chaozu – 165
Yajirobe – 155
Muten Roshi – 139

Kaio of the North – 4,000
Enma Daio – 2,000
Kami of Earth – 300
Mr. Popo – 275
Karin– 130

Raditz – 1,200
Oozaru – 12,000[/spoiler]


Saiyan Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 8,250
Kaio-Ken x2 – 16,500
Kaio-Ken x3 – 24,750
Kaio-Ken x4 – 33,000

Son Gohan – 1,200
Enraged – 2,800
Oozaru – 12,000

Piccolo – 2,500
Tenshinhan – 1,800
Kuririn – 1,500
Yamcha – 1,300
Chaozu – 1,000
Yajirobe – 600

Saibaimen – 1,200

Nappa – 8,000
Oozaru – 80,000

Vegeta – 18,000
Oozaru – 180,000[/spoiler]


Namek Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 90,000
Kaio-Ken x2 – 180,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 900,000

Vegeta – 24,000
Post-recovery – 29,000
Post-recovery 2 – 48,000

Son Gohan – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 12,500
Post-recovery – 25,000

Kuririn – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 12,000

Dende – 200
Power Unlocked – 1,000

Old Namekians – 1,500
Young Namekians – 3,000
Nail – 42,000

Freeza Soldiers – 1,000
Kwi – 18,000
Dodoria – 20,000

Zarbon – 22,000
Transformed – 27,500

Gurd – 1,000
Recoome – 40,000
Butta – 40,000
Jheese – 40,000
Captain Ginyu – 120,000
Freeza – 200,000[/spoiler]


Freeza Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 3,000,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 30,000,000
Kaio-Ken x20 – 60,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000

Vegeta – 500,000
Post-recovery – 2,500,000

Son Gohan – 100,000
Enraged – 1,000,000
Post-recovery – 400,000
Enraged – 2,000,000

Piccolo – 150,000
Merged with Nail – 1,500,000

Kuririn – 12,000

Freeza – 200,000
Full Power – 530,000
Second Form – 1,000,000
Power Up – 1,200,000
Full Power – 1,440,000
Third Form – 2,000,000
True Form – 3,000,000
25% Power – 36,000,000
50% Power – 72,000,000
70% Power – 100,500,000
100% Power – 144,000,000[/spoiler]


Mecha Freeza Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 3,750,000
Super Saiyan – 187,500,000

Trunks – 3,600,000
Super Saiyan – 180,000,000

Vegeta – 3,000,000
Piccolo – 2,000,000
Son Gohan – 400,000
Tenshinhan – 16,000
Kuririn – 12,000
Yamcha – 8,000
Chaozu – 4,000

Freeza Soldiers – 1,000
King Cold – 120,000,000
Mecha Freeza – 150,000,000[/spoiler]


Future Arc I


[spoiler]Future Gohan – 3,300,000
Super Saiyan – 165,000,000

Kid Trunks – 60,000
Super Saiyan – 3,000,000

Future Android 18 – 375,000,000
Future Android 17 – 400,000,000[/spoiler]


Artificial Human Arc


[spoiler]Vegeta – 5,000,000
Super Saiyan – 250,000,000

Son Goku – 4,800,000
Super Saiyan – 240,000,000

Trunks – 4,400,000
Super Saiyan – 220,000,000

Piccolo – 200,000,000
Gohan – 4,000,000
Tenshinhan – 20,000
Kuririn – 15,000
Yamcha – 10,000
Chaozu – 5,000

Android 19 – 110,000,000
Post-absorption – 170,000,000

Android 20 – 120,000,000
Post-absorption – 180,000,000

Android 18 – 375,000,000
Android 17 – 400,000,000
Android 16 – 500,000,000

Cell – 300,000,000[/spoiler]


Cell Arc


[spoiler]Vegeta – 16,000,000
Super Saiyan – 800,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 1,200,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 1,600,000,000

Trunks – 15,000,000
Super Saiyan – 750,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 1,125,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 1,500,000,000

Piccolo – 400,000,000

Android 18 – 375,000,000
Android 17 – 400,000,000
Android 16 – 500,000,000

Cell – 500,000,000
Second Form – 800,000,000
Full Power – 900,000,000
Perfect Form – 1,100,000,000
Power Up – 1,400,000,000
Bulked Up – 1,800,000,000[/spoiler]


Cell Games Arc


[spoiler]Son Gohan – 96,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,800,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 9,600,000,000

Son Goku – 80,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,000,000,000

Vegeta – 60,000,000
Super Saiyan – 3,000,000,000

Trunks – 60,000,000
Super Saiyan – 3,000,000,000

Piccolo – 2,000,000,000
Android 16 – 500,000,000

Cell Juniors – 3,000,000,000

Perfect Cell – 4,200,000,000
Full Speed – 4,800,000,000
Full Power – 6,000,000,000
Bulked Up – 7,500,000,000
"Super Perfect" – 8,000,000,000[/spoiler]


Future Arc II


[spoiler]Trunks – 60,000,000
Super Saiyan – 3,000,000,000
3 Years Later – 75,000,000
Super Saiyan – 3,750,000,000

Future Android 18 – 375,000,000
Future Android 17 – 400,000,000
Cell – 500,000,000[/spoiler]


Buu Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 100,000,000
Super Saiyan – 5,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 10,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 40,000,000,000

Vegeta – 90,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 9,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 [Majin boost] – 10,000,000,000

Son Gohan – 80,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 8,000,000,000
Ultimate – 400,000,000,000

Trunks – 75,000,000
Super Saiyan – 3,750,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 80,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,000,000,000

Son Goten – 72,000,000
Super Saiyan – 3,600,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 80,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,000,000,000

Gotenks – 720,000,000
Super Saiyan – 36,000,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 800,000,000
Super Saiyan – 40,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 80,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 320,000,000,000

Vegetto – 500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 25,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 50,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 200,000,000,000,000

Piccolo – 4,000,000,000
Android 18 – 375,000,000
Tenshinhan – 24,000
Kuririn – 12,000
Yamcha – 8,000
Chaozu – 6,000
Dende – 2,000

Kibito – 10,000,000
Kaioshin of the East - 4,000,000,000
Merged – 30,000,000,000

Pui Pui– 14,000
Yakon – 110,000,000
Dabra – 6,500,000,000

Pure Boo – 40,000,000,000
Buff Boo – 300,000,000,000
Majin Boo – 37,500,000,000
Evil Boo – 25,000,000,000
Good Boo – 12,500,000,000
Super Boo – 265,000,000,000
+ Piccolo – 269,000,000,000
+ Gotenks – 585,000,000,000
+ Son Gohan – 665,000,000,000[/spoiler]


28th Tenkaichi Budokai Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 120,000,000
Super Saiyan – 6,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 12,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 48,000,000,000

Vegeta – 120,000,000
Super Saiyan – 6,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 12,000,000,000

Son Goten – 100,000,000
Super Saiyan – 5,000,000,000

Trunks – 100,000,000
Super Saiyan – 5,000,000,000

Son Gohan – 400,000,000,000
Mister Boo– 12,500,000,000
Piccolo – 6,000,000,000
Oob – 120,000,000
Pan – 20,000,000[/spoiler]
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:28 pm

VegetaSSJBlue wrote: Master Roshi (22nd Tenkaichi Budokai) > Master Roshi (Saiyan Arc)
Official sources disagree.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by VegetaSSJBlue » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:31 pm

ZombieVito wrote:
VegetaSSJBlue wrote: Master Roshi (22nd Tenkaichi Budokai) > Master Roshi (Saiyan Arc)
Official sources disagree.
Broly's movie is official too, and what's wrong? In the manga it is seen that roshi after 8 years is much thinner and out of shape.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:46 pm

VegetaSSJBlue wrote: Cell Games Arc


[spoiler]Son Gohan – 96,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,800,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 9,600,000,000

Son Goku – 80,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,000,000,000

Vegeta – 60,000,000
Super Saiyan – 3,000,000,000

Trunks – 60,000,000
Super Saiyan – 3,000,000,000

Piccolo – 2,000,000,000
Android 16 – 500,000,000

Cell Juniors – 3,000,000,000

Perfect Cell – 4,200,000,000
Full Speed – 4,800,000,000
Full Power – 6,000,000,000
Bulked Up – 7,500,000,000
"Super Perfect" – 8,000,000,000[/spoiler]


Buu Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 100,000,000
Super Saiyan – 5,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 10,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 40,000,000,000

Vegeta – 90,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 9,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 [Majin boost] – 10,000,000,000

Son Gohan – 80,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 8,000,000,000
Ultimate – 400,000,000,000

Trunks – 75,000,000
Super Saiyan – 3,750,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 80,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,000,000,000

Son Goten – 72,000,000
Super Saiyan – 3,600,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 80,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,000,000,000

Gotenks – 720,000,000
Super Saiyan – 36,000,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 800,000,000
Super Saiyan – 40,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 80,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 320,000,000,000

Vegetto – 500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 25,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 50,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 200,000,000,000,000

Piccolo – 4,000,000,000
Android 18 – 375,000,000
Tenshinhan – 24,000
Kuririn – 12,000
Yamcha – 8,000
Chaozu – 6,000
Dende – 2,000

Kibito – 10,000,000
Kaioshin of the East - 4,000,000,000
Merged – 30,000,000,000

Pui Pui– 14,000
Yakon – 110,000,000
Dabra – 6,500,000,000

Pure Boo – 40,000,000,000
Buff Boo – 300,000,000,000
Majin Boo – 37,500,000,000
Evil Boo – 25,000,000,000
Good Boo – 12,500,000,000
Super Boo – 265,000,000,000
+ Piccolo – 269,000,000,000
+ Gotenks – 585,000,000,000
+ Son Gohan – 665,000,000,000[/spoiler]
I don't think Buu arc Piccolo should be that high. It was stated that he is weaker than Supreme Kai, who is weaker than Buu arc Gohan, who is around Cell Games Goku.

You made Goku and Vegeta increasing like just x1.5 or x1.25 their strenght from the Cell Games to the Buu arc, that I don't believe there is proof that Piccolo's increases were much bigger than theirs to make it a x2 of his Cell Games power. I'd say he increased x1.5 of his power, making him equal to Cell Games Vegeta, fitting with every proof that indirectly say that Cell Games Goku is stronger than Supreme Kai, who is directly stated to be way stronger than Piccolo.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:13 am

Bullza wrote:How accurate do people think this is? All 22nd Budokai characters.

Goku (Battle Power) >= Tien > Goku (Match power: Serious) >= Jackie Chun > Goku (Match power: Not Serious) = Krillin >= Yamcha > Chiaotzu > Goku (Holding back during Preliminaries) > King Chappa

In other words do people think that Krillin, Yamcha and Chiaotzu would be superior to the level Goku used against King Chappa?
Goku (battle power) and Tien should be almost equals. No one had the advantage in their fight, goku was slightly quicker due to his smaller size.

Goku (match power) should be significantly above Roshi, since he was unable to even see him when he did that running in circles thing against Krillin, and Roshi admitted inferiority.

"Not serious" Goku as in your list was still manhandling Krillin, who barely got any good hits in. He should be significantly superior.

I do not know how do we quantify holding back goku "in preliminaries".
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Bullza » Sun Apr 02, 2017 1:31 pm

apex_pretador wrote:Goku (battle power) and Tien should be almost equals. No one had the advantage in their fight, goku was slightly quicker due to his smaller size.
Goku always appeared to be one step ahead throughout that fight. From when Goku got serious and used his Battle power then from what happened afterwards

1. They had that afterimage exchange which Goku got the upper hand in.

2. Tiens Solar Flare technique backfired.

3. Then Chiaotzu started paralyzing Goku which was why Tien was able to get some hits in.

4. Tien did the four arm technique and got a few hits in before Goku started waving his arms and got more hits in causing Tien to say he was losing and had a disadvantage up close.

5. So Tien resorted to the Tri Beam which Goku dodged and then used the Kamehameha to hit him but then ended up losing by bad luck.

Tien even said afterward that when it came to strength he lost. There ain't a lot in it but Goku definitely came across as superior overall.
"Not serious" Goku as in your list was still manhandling Krillin, who barely got any good hits in. He should be significantly superior.
Well by not serious I'm referring to from when they started fighting up until Roshi said he was beginning to show his true strength. Prior to that Krillin actually got more hits in than Goku did.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:14 am

Bullza wrote: Goku always appeared to be one step ahead throughout that fight. From when Goku got serious and used his Battle power then from what happened afterwards

1. They had that afterimage exchange which Goku got the upper hand in.

2. Tiens Solar Flare technique backfired.

3. Then Chiaotzu started paralyzing Goku which was why Tien was able to get some hits in.

4. Tien did the four arm technique and got a few hits in before Goku started waving his arms and got more hits in causing Tien to say he was losing and had a disadvantage up close.

5. So Tien resorted to the Tri Beam which Goku dodged and then used the Kamehameha to hit him but then ended up losing by bad luck.
1. Both of them countered each other repeatedly before goku finally won the exchange.

2. Because Goku knew about it and already decided how to counter it.

3. It might be argued that Tien would still get meaningful hits in if not for chiaotzu.

4. Yes, but it was also said that Goku's kamehameha is totally useless against Tien.

5. Tien warned goku to dodge it, and Goku would have won barely by a small margin.
Tien even said afterward that when it came to strength he lost. There ain't a lot in it but Goku definitely came across as superior overall.
Maybe.
But if there is any gap, it is extremely small, like daimao/goku or ma-jr/goku
Well by not serious I'm referring to from when they started fighting up until Roshi said he was beginning to show his true strength. Prior to that Krillin actually got more hits in than Goku did.
Krillin's hits barely did anything to goku. It was clear goku was playing around (probably because he wanted a good fight)
Goku even no-sold Krillin's kamehameha.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Noah » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:29 pm

Black Hawk wrote:I arbitrarily decided to redo my GT battle powers.

MULTIPLIERS

Saiyajin - x25 (for Gokū, Gohan, Vegeta, and Baby) x1 (for all other Saiyajin)
Super Saiyajin - x50
Super Saiyajin 2 - x100
Super Saiyajin 3 - x400
Super Oozaru - x500 (for Baby) x5000 (for Gokū and Vegeta)
Super Saiyajin 4 - x5000
Chō Full Power Saiyajin 4 - x10000
Metamarū Merging - x10 (assuming both powers are equal)
Potara Merging - x100 (assuming both powers are equal, less of a boost the less equal)

BABY ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 30,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 60,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 120,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 480,000,000,000
-Super Oozaru - 6,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4 - 6,000,000,000,000

Pan - 50,000,000

Trunks - 100,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 5,000,000,000

Son Goten - 100,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 5,000,000,000

Gotenks (hypothetical) - 1,000,000,000
-Super Saiyaijn - 50,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 100,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 400,000,000,000

Piccolo - 5,000,000,000

Son Gohan - 500,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 1,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 2,000,000,000,000

Vegeta - 25,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 50,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 100,000,000,000

Majin Boo - 10,000,000,000

Oob - 30,000,000,000
-After Training - 300,000,000,000
-Merged with Boo - 3,000,000,000,000

Rild - 20,000,000,000
-Hyper Mega Rild - 40,000,000,000
-Mega Rild - 80,000,000,000

Vegeta-Baby - 10,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 500,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 1,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 4,000,000,000,000
-Super Ōzaru - 5,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]

SUPER NO. 17 ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 35,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 70,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 140,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 560,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4 - 7,000,000,000,000

Vegeta - 30,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 60,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 120,000,000,000

Son Gohan - 500,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 1,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 2,000,000,000,000

Trunks - 100,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 5,000,000,000

Son Goten - 100,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 5,000,000,000

Gotenks (hypothetical) - 1,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 50,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 100,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 400,000,000,000

Oob - 3,000,000,000,000

No. 17 - 400,000,000
-Hell Fighter No. 17 - 40,000,000,000
-Super No. 17 - 8,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]

EVIL DRAGONS ARC

[spoiler]Son Gokū - 40,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 80,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 160,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 640,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4 - 8,000,000,000,000
-Chō Full Power Saiyajin 4 - 16,000,000,000,000

Vegeta - 40,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 80,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 160,000,000,000
-Super Ōzaru - 8,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4 - 8,000,000,000,000

Son Gohan - 500,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 1,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 2,000,000,000,000

Trunks - 100,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 5,000,000,000

Son Goten - 100,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 5,000,000,000

Pan - 50,000,000

Oob - 3,000,000,000,000

Four Star Dragon - 7,500,000,000,000

Three Star Dragon - 7,500,000,000,000

One Star Dragon - 10,000,000,000,000
-Super One Star Dragon* - 20,000,000,000,000
-Super One Star Dragon** - 100,000,000,000,000

Gogeta - 400,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 800,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 1,600,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 6,400,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4* - 80,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4** - 800,000,000,000,000

*based on Gohan-kun's statement that Chō Full Power Saiyajin 4 Gokū and Super One Star Dragon were too close in power for him to determine who was stronger
**based on Super One Star Dragon's statement that he had grown ten times stronger, if not more-so, by swallowing the other six Dragon Balls[/spoiler]
That was nice, it's not usual to see a GT list pops over here, but you have Vegeta equal to Goku in Base? I always felt like Vegeta slacked off in GT.
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Noah wrote:That was nice, it's not usual to see a GT list pops over here, but you have Vegeta equal to Goku in Base? I always felt like Vegeta slacked off in GT.
Thank you! The only particular reason I have Vegeta so close to Gokū in power was to make it as un-far-fetched as possible that they were approximately equal in the Super Saiyajin 4 form. If not for that, I would have indeed had Vegeta quite a bit lesser than Gokū, given his statement that the gap between them had grown larger than ever following Gokū's training with Oob.

One could reason that SSJ4 Vegeta was still lesser than SSJ4 Gokū and that Gokū simply lowered his power to match Vegeta's when they fused, but I've never liked the idea of two beings who intended to fuse being noticeably far apart in power. (Merged Zamas drove me crazy at first for that reason.)
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Time to scale u6 and 9
    team Champa[spoiler]
      botamo:1,000,000,000
        frost first form:85,000,000, assault form:95,000,000, final form:4,143,000,000, damaged:3,790,000,000
          autta Magetta:5,000,000,000
            base cabba:90,000,000, super Saiyan:4,500,000,000
              hit:?I'm not even going​ to bother with hit[/spoiler]
                dangerous trio [spoiler]
                  Bergamo:?
                    Basil surpressed:4,000,000,000, full powered:4,500,000,000, drugged:9,990,000,000
                      lavenda:4,600,000,000[/spoiler]
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                        Post by DanielSSJ » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:03 am

                        Black Hawk wrote:Thank you! The only particular reason I have Vegeta so close to Gokū in power was to make it as un-far-fetched as possible that they were approximately equal in the Super Saiyajin 4 form. If not for that, I would have indeed had Vegeta quite a bit lesser than Gokū, given his statement that the gap between them had grown larger than ever following Gokū's training with Oob.

                        One could reason that SSJ4 Vegeta was still lesser than SSJ4 Gokū and that Gokū simply lowered his power to match Vegeta's when they fused, but I've never liked the idea of two beings who intended to fuse being noticeably far apart in power. (Merged Zamas drove me crazy at first for that reason.)
                        Well, SS4 is supposed to be based on your dormant strength. Maybe Vegeta's overall strength got boosted when he unlocked the form.
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                        Post by Black Hawk » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:44 am

                        DanielSSJ wrote:Well, SS4 is supposed to be based on your dormant strength. Maybe Vegeta's overall strength got boosted when he unlocked the form.
                        You're referring to the line in the Dragon Ball GT Perfect Files that state (paraphrased) that SSJ4 causes a Saiyajin to reach his absolute limit, correct? I personally wouldn't put too much stock into that statement, since another guidebook (Daizenshuu 7, I believe?) says the same thing about Super Saiyajin 3, and we know that SSJ3 isn't an absolute limit in any way.
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                        Taking the current developments of Super, anyone think Goten and kid Trunks are not as strong as we thought?

                        By the RoF arc Piccolo (while weighted) should be stronger than them since that's the last time Goku and Vegeta sensed him. Not only that but SSJ kid Trunks couldn't beat Future Trunks while he was in his base form.

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                        Post by emperior » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:12 am

                        Multipliers
                        Oozaru - 10x
                        Super Saiyan (SSJ) - 50x
                        Super Saiyan 2 (SSJ2) - 100x
                        Super Saiyan 3 (SSJ3) - 400x
                        Super Saiyan God (SSG) - 40,000x
                        Super Saiyan Blue (SSB) - 50,000x

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                        Dance = [(A+B)] x ???
                        Potara = [(A+B)] x ???


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                        Bardock - 2,500
                        Gine - 1,000

                        Bardock (Last Stand) - 10,000[/spoiler]


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                        Post by Noah » Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:28 pm

                        ZombieVito wrote:Where do you guys have the kids?
                        Stronger than the half of the Universe 7 Team.
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                        Post by Bullza » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:48 pm

                        Right so here's the Mk 3 version of my Dragon Ball power level list. Last time I'll do these so I can move on to the Saiyan-Frieza saga next. Again I took things that people had to say into account.

                        Emperor Pilaf saga

                        Goku – 10
                        Oozaru Goku – 100

                        Yamcha – 9
                        Krillin – 8

                        Tournament Saga

                        Goku – 55
                        Oozaru Goku – 550

                        Jackie Chun – 60
                        Krillin – 50
                        Yamcha – 45

                        Namu – 51
                        Giran – 50
                        Ranfan – 45
                        Bacterian – 44

                        Red Ribbon Army Saga

                        Goku – 60
                        Goku (Post Korin Training) – 90
                        Krillin – 50

                        Major Metallitron – 56
                        General Blue – 54
                        Mercenary Tao – 83
                        Assistant Black – 58

                        Korin – 96
                        Bora – 56

                        Fortuneteller Baba Saga

                        Goku – 90
                        Krillin – 50
                        Yamcha – 45

                        Grandpa Gohan – 85
                        Devil man – 76
                        Bandages – 64
                        Invisible Man – 40
                        Fangs – 36

                        Tien Shinhan Saga

                        Goku (Tournament Power) – 128
                        Goku (Battle Power) – 146
                        Jackie Chun – 126
                        Krillin – 116
                        Yamcha – 112

                        Tien – 138
                        Chiaotzu – 108
                        Master Shen – 118

                        King Chappa – 98

                        King Piccolo Saga

                        Goku – 146
                        Goku (Post Water) – 200
                        Tien – 138
                        Yajirobe – 136

                        King Piccolo (Old) – 165
                        King Piccolo – 182
                        King Piccolo (Full Power) – 200
                        Drum – 152
                        Tambourine – 132
                        Cymbal – 120

                        Kami – 292 
                        Mr Popo – 265 

                        Piccolo Jr Saga

                        Goku – 388
                        Kami – 292 
                        Tien – 238
                        Krillin – 195
                        Yamcha – 168
                        Chiaotzu –138

                        Piccolo Jr – 370
                        Mercenary Tao – 156

                        So one more time if there's anything that people notice or needs to be changed let me know. I didn't put Roshi at 139 in the 22nd Budokai so I could make some of the gaps larger. I don't particularly like doing it that way but it'd have to assume that Roshi still trained and got stronger even though he said he'd retired but it's not impossible I suppose.

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                        Post by The gr » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:11 pm

                        emperior wrote: power levels
                        I disagree with lavenda,he should as strong as a ss1 Gohan,I would at least put him at 15,000,000,000 if Gohan is a 20,000,000,000 according to your list, and you forgot to include Kuririn
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                        Post by ZombieVito » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:04 pm

                        Bullza wrote: Mercenary Tao – 83
                        Grandpa Gohan – 85
                        Shouldn't it be a bigger gap between these two?

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                        Post by DBZ Macky » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:18 pm

                        ZombieVito wrote:
                        Bullza wrote: Mercenary Tao – 83
                        Grandpa Gohan – 85
                        Shouldn't it be a bigger gap between these two?
                        Gohan wasn't in a living body and knew a lot about Goku's fighting style, so his superior performance could be attributed to these and not just his battle power. I'd say the gap between him and Tao is justified, even more so in the Anime where Tao got a little stronger by climbing Karin's tower.
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                        Post by Bullza » Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:34 pm

                        Yeah I originally had Grandpa Gohan closer to Goku than I have him now. I thought they were closer than they were until I read that Gohan said he was actually no match for him.

                        Looking at the fights side by side I would say they're very similar. You might even make the argument that Tao was stronger.

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