The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[KentalSSJ6]

Super Gogeta beat the hell up all forms of Majin Boo.

Eh..I think it would stop at Buuhan. Other than that I could see him equaling Buutenks and obliterating Super, Kid, and Fat Buu.

Mmm I believe in the One Level Theory between Vegetto and Gogeta in DBZ. Pothala is better because the stronger one doesn't need to lower his power to be on par with the weakest one. If Vegetto fight Boohan with almost no problem, SSJ Gogeta also would.

This may be a dub error but I remember saying the Potara earrings were stronger by default. By that logic even if Vegito and Gogeta were in base or any of the SSJ forms, Vegito would still be stronger.

[Rocketman]

Any difference between Vegetto and Gogeta is meaningless - both completely destroy everybody else.

[TheMightyOzaru]

^This. I have Vegetto 10 times stronger than Gogeta, yet Gogeta could still cream any Z villain except for Whis and Beers.

[KentalSSJ6]

Any difference between Vegetto and Gogeta is meaningless - both completely destroy everybody else.

Id revolve my Gogeta against Super Buu argument around Super Janemba VS Super Buu.

I mean we know Super Janemba couldent do a damn thing to Gogeta so we know Gogeta obliterates Janemba. So, how would Super Janemba fare against Super Buu? Id personally think hed win due to being able to alter reality and manipulate physical mass. He could just portal all of Buu's attacks back at him.

[Kid Buu]

Okay, three match-ups here.

1.) 22nd Budokai Yamcha Vs. Jackie Chun
2.) 22nd Budokai Krillin Vs. Jackie Chun
3.) Krillin & Yamcha Vs. Jackie Chun

Ignore the typical jobber thing here.

[RandomGuy96]

A fusion between Goten and Trunks who are inferior to their respective fathers can rival and surpass SSJ3 Goku (who's the stronger of the two dads), but a fusion between the two said fathers (who seem to be much more compatible than their sons) can't surpass Ultimate Gohan?

Compatibility doesn't mean shit in the dance fusion.

And while they're weaker, they're not that much weaker. Certainly not enough for SS or SS2 Gogeta to beat any form of Super Buu.

I honestly think Gogeta might be the most overrated character in the fandom. Maybe even beating out Broly, because at least the Broly stuff is commonly ridiculed, as it deserves to be.

So, how would Super Janemba fare against Super Buu?

Janemba can't see Buu move, Buu just won.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Super Gogeta VS All forms of Majin Buu.

SSJ Gogeta loses to Super Boo.

SSJ3 loses to Bootenks.

That makes absolutely no sense to me.

A fusion between Goten and Trunks who are inferior to their respective fathers can rival and surpass SSJ3 Goku (who's the stronger of the two dads), but a fusion between the two said fathers (who seem to be much more compatible than their sons) can't surpass Ultimate Gohan?

Gotenks is as inferior to Gogeta as Goten & Trunks are to Goku & Vegeta. I personally believe that the kids are less than twice weaker than their dads (based on their feats), so Gotenks should also be less than twice weaker than Gogeta, thus, Gogeta is stronger than Gotenks only when they are in the same form. SS3 Gogeta is stronger than Ultimate Gohan though IMO, but base Vegetto is above SS3 Gogeta IMO.

[KentalSSJ6]

How do you think Vegito would handle the GT villains?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Vegetto can beat Bebi as a SSJ, but he needs SSJ3 to beat Oozaru Bebi, Super 17, and Yi Xing Long. Vegetto stops at Super Yi Xing Long though. If this was GT Vegetto, he would cream everyone with SSJ. He'd even beat Super Bebi Vegeta 2 in base.

[rereboy]

I cannot bring myself to believe that Gogeta is THAT much weaker than Vegetto.

Why? Potara is implied to be much better than dance fusion. And considering that its supposed to be a permanent fusion, which is a huge drawback, it makes sense for it to have huge advantages compared to dance fusion to compensate that drawback.
If there wasn't a huge difference, then its advantages would only amount to not needing to do the dance and perhaps a slightly stronger fusion, while still having that huge drawback. I don't see how that makes sense... If that was the case, it would be more worthwhile to gain some time (using Goku's teleportation for example) and perform the dance than being stuck in a permanent fusion.

I see the difference between Gogeta and Gotenks being around the same as the difference between Goku/Vegeta and Goten/Trunks (since they are also rivals and all), which isn't THAT big considering that if the kids had SSJ2/SSJ3 to being with their power wouldn't be THAT much different from their fathers.

Hence why I stated that I think that Gogeta could beat all the Buus that Gohan could but may be unable to beat Gotenks-Buu and Gohan-Buu.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Base Vegetto should be enough to beat the Machine Mutants up to Super Baby 2, along with all the Evil Dragons, minus San Xing Long (True Form), Si Xing Long (True Form), and Yi Xing Long. Super Saiyan Vegetto vs Oozaru Baby would go like the fight with SS4 Goku, but with Vegetto having a slightly greater advantage. Same for Super #17, though he would use Super Saiyan 3 to easily destroy him with his punches. He should be able to easily beat San Xing Long & Si Xing Long with Super Saiyan, but he would need Super Saiyan 2 to easily destroy Yi Xing Long. Super Xi Xing Long would destroy Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto though.

[dbzfan7]

A fusion between Goten and Trunks who are inferior to their respective fathers can rival and surpass SSJ3 Goku (who's the stronger of the two dads), but a fusion between the two said fathers (who seem to be much more compatible than their sons) can't surpass Ultimate Gohan?

Compatibility doesn't mean shit in the dance fusion.

And while they're weaker, they're not that much weaker. Certainly not enough for SS or SS2 Gogeta to beat any form of Super Buu.

I honestly think Gogeta might be the most overrated character in the fandom. Maybe even beating out Broly, because at least the Broly stuff is commonly ridiculed, as it deserves to be.

So, how would Super Janemba fare against Super Buu?

Janemba can't see Buu move, Buu just won.

Everything that you said. I agree with.

[TheGmGoken]

I also don't understand why are you talking about Piccolo and Gohan. Even Goku didn't know that Gohan died until he arrived in other world.

I'm talking about how character don't sense correctly. I said this happens ALL the time in the series such in the CELL GAMES(Which I said in my post so the fact you brought up Otherwolrd is a mystery) where Gohan was kicked into a rock and Piccolo and Krillin thought Gohan was dead. Could't they just sensed him and tell he had A LOT of ki left. Goku did. Piccoolo did not. Because he was DESPERATE

[TheGmGoken]

Saiyan Arc Goku(8000 plus Kaioken) vs Namek Arc Gohan(Unlocked powers, Also please don't say holding Gohan hand)

[TheMightyOzaru]

Goku wins.

[goku the krump dancer]

@RandomGuy96, DBZGTKOSDH, Dbzfan7

The ideal result of a successful fusion dance is a fighter who's way stronger than the sum of its right? Right.

Gotenks is way stronger than the (simply) added powers of Goten and Trunks.

SSJ Gotenks rivals SSJ3 Goku and only surpasses him with SSJ3.

Goku was not impressed when Goten and Trunks went "full power" on the look out. Meaning he was expecting more from them, which would imply that Goku and Vegeta and perhaps even Gohan are LEAGUES above the two brats even as standard Super Saiyans.

Trunks managing to strike Vegeta's face before the tournament isnt all that impress becasue its like like Vegeta said he was going all out during the training session he just wanted to see what is son was capable of.

Now with all that said.

If it took Goten and Trunks to combine just to rival (and eventually surpass) their fathers, you mean to tell me that a fusion between Goku and Vegeta who are much stronger than their sons would only barely be stronger than Gotenks?

Thats some serious nerfing for no reason.

The way stronger sum of Goten and Trunks' power Suprassess Goku fine, but the sum of the combine powers of Goku and Vegeta trump everyone unless you're a God of Destruction.

The Potara earrings' key factor is that you stay merged forever. The idea that it creates a stronger fusion is negated when Old Kaioshin tells East Kaioshin that Vegetto is only as strong as he is because he has the combined powers of Goku and Vegeta two of the strongest guys in all of existence.

[RandomGuy96]

Saiyan Arc Goku(8000 plus Kaioken) vs Namek Arc Gohan(Unlocked powers, Also please don't say holding Gohan hand)

Okay, well, what stage? If it's immediately after, where Gohan was at 14,000, then Goku wins. If it's any time after that, Gohan murderstomps his father.

Gotenks is way stronger than the (simply) added powers of Goten and Trunks.

Yes.

SSJ Gotenks rivals SSJ3 Goku and only surpasses him with SSJ3.

Gotenks is stated to be stronger than Goku with just SS.

Goku was not impressed when Goten and Trunks went "full power" on the look out. Meaning he was expecting more from them, which would imply that Goku and Vegeta and perhaps even Gohan are LEAGUES above the two brats even as standard Super Saiyans.

No, it doesn't mean that at all. It just means that Goku is perceptive enough to guess their power in advance, or after seeing it at the tournament, or just has very high standards. Feats, statements, and guidebooks all put the kid very close to their fathers.

Trunks managing to strike Vegeta's face before the tournament isnt all that impress becasue its like like Vegeta said he was going all out during the training session he just wanted to see what is son was capable of.

No, he was sweating and worried while dodging Trunks. In fact, he felt so threatened after that punch that he had to punch Trunks to get him to stop. Contrast Goku vs the Ginyus, who you are saying were closer to each other than these two.

If it took Goten and Trunks to combine just to rival (and eventually surpass) their fathers, you mean to tell me that a fusion between Goku and Vegeta who are much stronger than their sons would only barely be stronger than Gotenks?

It would make them much stronger than Gotenks, but only to the same degree that Goku is much stronger than Goten. That is to say, about twice as much, probably less. I.e. not enough to beat Buuhan, MAYBE enough to beat Buutenks if he's lucky.

Thats some serious nerfing for no reason.

No, it's basic logic. You're the one nerfing the kids by ignoring the feats and statements.

The way stronger sum of Goten and Trunks' power Suprassess Goku fine, but the sum of the combine powers of Goku and Vegeta trump everyone unless you're a God of Destruction.

Nope.

The Potara earrings' key factor is that you stay merged forever. The idea that it creates a stronger fusion is negated when Old Kaioshin tells East Kaioshin that Vegetto is only as strong as he is because he has the combined powers of Goku and Vegeta two of the strongest guys in all of existence.

He says that while directly comparing them to Kibitoshin, who he had just said was weak because Kaioshin and Kibito are weak. He made it very, VERY clear that Potara was many times stronger than dance fusion, probably hundreds of times stronger. If they weren't, he wouldn't have said they were, he wouldn't have made such a big deal out of them, Goku wouldn't have called them "the only way to beat Buu", and Goku would've used his teleportation to teleport Vegeta away and dance fuse with him rather than essentially kill them both with a permanent fusion.

[TheGmGoken]

Goku wins.

Didn't Vegeta say Gohan could help against Freeza?

Okay, well, what stage? If it's immediately after, where Gohan was at 14,000, then Goku wins. If it's any time after that, Gohan murderstomps his father.

During the Freeza fight(First form)

[RandomGuy96]

During the Freeza fight(First form)

8,000-32,000

vs

200,000 (at least)

How is this a fair fight?

[TheGmGoken]

During the Freeza fight(First form)

8,000-32,000

vs

200,000 (at least)

How is this a fair fight?

Fear of fighting his father, Battle inexperience,